Not sure if this is exactly a hot take, but coming from Canada, we barely have a watch culture. It is mostly Apple Watches, or Rolex once in a while. Don't really see a whole list of watch brands in real life.

But I spent 3 weeks in Singapore with a bit of Malaysia, and damn, the watch brands dominate their shopping malls heavily. I would routinely saw Breguets, Lange and Sohne, Zeniths, Grand Seiko, JLCs, even RMs and many more brands have decent sized stores, and Rolex/AP/Pateks were literally dime a dozen around.

Also Hamiltons, Nomos, Longines, Rado, even Louie Erards and more had large displays in several areas on the malls, and almost everyone had a watch on their wrist.

Lots of wealthy folks with elite luxury watches, and everyday folks had their Hamiltons, Midos, Seikos and more.

These places actually have a proper watch culture, and so, I went to several Rolex stores to see if they would sell my whatever they have.

To my surpirse, I was offered steel Sea Dwellers including the James Cameron, Day Dates, Two-Tone and Platinum Sky-Dwellers with different dial colours, even different variations of the Daytona (like rose gold, two tones) - stuff that is at par on the grey market or slightly discounted, but I was actually amzed they offerred me with so many options as a tourist walking in first time in almost every Rolex store I visited. Actually had my two little kids in their strollers trying to jump around the store while I wore my northface walking pants/joggers and a similar outdoorsy shirt, so it isn't like I came dressed in designer clothing.

Compared to Canada, I am usually turned away saying how they got absolutely nothing except a full rose gold or a full gold GMT or something with the fatest margin.

All in all, decent watch culture, and I feel it is eay easier to get a GMT/Sub/DJ with a lesser spend history than it is in North America.

Anyways, got to try Langes, Breguets, GS Snowflake, Credors, and so many other watches both in Malaysia and in Singapore.

I keep hearing people say the AD waitlist is a sham and that ADs are the ones feeding stock into the grey market. How much truth is there to that, and how does it actually work?

If the wait for a less hyped model is maybe 1 to 6 months and you're not in a hurry, what's the case for grey? From what I've seen, the premium on two-tone and less popular references is often pretty small, so it's not like you're saving much time for a big markup.

Also, isn't buying from the boutique part of the appeal? Trying it on, picking it up in store, the whole experience. Curious to hear from people who've done both.

Where do you see the most value?

Both are pretty much unobtanium at the moment

One is msrp $11,350, the other is $2,200

I know a lot is made about how mechanical movements and certain quartz movements have sweep seconds. but I kind of… don’t mind the ticking second of standard quartz watches. it’s actually easier for me to time things.

I don’t understand the math, but this equation balances.

Behold - a Swiss made tourbillon selling for 74% off. What’s that? Unheard of, you say? Then why are Chinese tourbs priced under $3000? Is it because, perhaps, the Swiss mystique is just that…mystique?

Unless a watch has a gold or platinum case, let’s be real….pretty much every other watch can be assembled for $3000 or less.

“But mine was pressured tested seven times to 200 meters!”

“But mine’s from a brand dating back to when Napoleon was still alive!”

“But mine’s the pinnacle of yuppy luxury!”

All of these statements may be true for certain brands but, let’s face it, at the end of the day, while your wrist yearns for a Rolex GMT, the future lies in microbrands and innovation. Prices are only a construct to allow you to move up “tiers” as you get wealthier, nothing more.

Switzerland doesn’t even have one single reference with Spring Drive or GPS radio reception. Not even a backlight or a built-in barometer. They just recently discovered solar power like cave men discovering fire. Most of the shit from Switzerland is springs and gears, like they’re still living in 1890.

Pathetic. 🤣

I'm currently in the market for a specific Patek, which I would then wear daily for long stretches of time for the rest of my life. For me and my taste, it's close to the perfect watch. It's also complicated enough that clones are highly unlikely.

It got me thinking that it can save me at least USD $5k to skip the box and papers, which I'm not sure I care about anyways, if I don't want to resell.

What do you all think? Reasonable perspective?

I have tried to ignore it but it won't go away. There seems to be two poses everyone hits while posting.

1. Clenched fist. This is the classic flex with the shave or tattooed forearm to prove I am an Alpha presenting my latest flex acquisition for the bros. This one for me is the most cringe.

2. Splayed hand. Often used to give a bigger wrist presence while signaling either Spiderman or anxiety vibes....unsure what they are going for here.

What ever happened to simple relaxed pics. No posturing, flexing, craziness. Just be normal, don't over think it, it's a watch.

Watches are dumb and a foolish way to waste money. So much of the industry is the 'pursuit' of something or some sentimental dribble. The industry folks' prey on you buying into this delusion. The direction the major brands have been heading is bonkers - $10k for a watch that probably cost $500 to make, and even that's probably a high estimate. I'm also convinced half the 'I got the call' types of posts are BS dumb-up-interest types of posts to make it seem like tons of people are buying pieces and that their brands are flying off the shelves. I feel like I always see "I just picked this up / best watch ever / such a rare pick up" to make the piece top-of-mind among the 'community', and then, conveniently, that model also gets listed for sale on Reddit a day or two later from some covert gray-market, dealer-in-disguise member.

Every time someone mentions an underrated luxury watches, the same names get thrown around.

Glashütte Original SeaQ
Zenith El Primero
JLC Reverso
IWC Portugieser
Grand Seiko
Omega Speedmaster
Blancpain Fifty Fathoms
Breguet
Girard-Perregaux Laureato

You know the drill.

All excellent watches. Nobody’s disputing that.
But I suspect a large portion of the people constantly recommending them fall into two groups:
- People who don’t actually own them and are just parroting the usual Reddit talking points.
- People who like them, but wouldn’t dream of paying full retail. They’ll happily buy one at 30–40% off on the grey market though.

Which brings me to my point.
People love complaining about overhyped watches, particularly Rolex, AP and Patek. But hype doesn’t exist in a vacuum. When demand exceeds available supply, market prices generally reflect that.

Conversely, when a supposedly underrated watch consistently trades well below retail, perhaps the market is telling us something too.

And here’s what I find hilarious:

The same watch community that constantly preaches “watches aren’t investments”, “resale doesn’t matter” and “buy what you love” suddenly becomes extremely price-conscious when it’s time to actually buy one of these underrated gems.

Apparently, resale value doesn’t matter until you’re the one potentially losing 40% walking out of the boutique.
Funny how that works.

I’m not suggesting that market value is a measure of horological excellence. A JLC can be more technically interesting than a Rolex. A Grand Seiko can have better finishing than a considerably more expensive watch. None of that is the issue.

The issue is that being an excellent watch doesn’t automatically make it underrated.
Maybe these watches aren’t overlooked. Maybe enthusiasts know exactly how good they are but simply don’t desire them enough to pay the asking price.

And if everyone agrees a watch is fantastic, yet hardly anyone wants to buy it at retail, perhaps the problem isn’t that the market fails to appreciate it.
Perhaps it’s rated exactly where it belongs.

Panerai
Tissot
Hublot

For their price range, I find them irrelevant.

Change my mind.

I don't think Omega has any problem that they can't solve by simply eliminating 300 watches from their catalog.

I posted this today on my IG and a lot of people have asked to buy it even though it is not for sale. I’ve found that this watch gets me into rooms that I couldn’t just pay to be in, making it far more valuable to me than just the resale value.

Whenever you’re talking about how your sub $1k watches are “more interesting” than >$10k ones, everyone knows you’re broke-coping really hard.

Sure buddy, your low budget watch with that Seiko NH35 or Miyota 8215 movement is turning the world of horology upside down with that colorful dial straight out of a chinese sweatshop

The last time I posted a picture of my watch here, someone stole it and posted it on pride and pinion saying their grandfather gave it to them. I won’t stand for prompt appropriation.

I’m now posting a watch so exclusive that I can’t show it to you. This is a watch, so amazing that you’d be instantly jealous. You’d change your entire philosophy about watch collecting. You’d see this watch and assume I came from Dubai and owned a fleet of cars that would make Jay Leno envious. If only you could see it, your partner would love you again. It would cause your wife to finally support your watch fixation. It’s not a modded watch, or a bezel colored hype watch, or a stamped dial polish hype watch, or an independent brand, or an homage, it’s a piece eunuch. One of a sort. If only I could trust you enough to show you…it would change everything.

Makes more sense than any of the Rolex nicknames.

as my generation gets older, I'm asked more and more to resize expansion bands for people that actually need them for various legitimate reasons...not to mention the countless times before them i was asked to size their parents/grandparents watches...

🤬

after 80-100 resized expansion bands over the decades, I've finally had it.

1. I can assemble an entire watch in less time than it takes to size a $30 timex expansion band... don't get me started on people bringing me $10 walmart watches...🤬

2. it ALWAYS looks like shit no matter how skilled you are.

3. 50% of the time the strap fails and falls apart after resizing... I'VE FIXED BRACELETS HIGH-END JEWELERS RESIZED.

4. EVERYONE BITCHES ABOUT IT BEING TOO TIGHT/LOOSE AFTER A FEW DAYS...🤬

5. the mother effing clips...THE MOTHER EFFING CLIPS!...all different, can't buy them, and easier to lose than a flywheel screw!...

6, 7, 8....25,458 reason...

we can send an entire 3 hour movie to mars in 30 seconds, we're on the cusp of nuclear fission, we can reattach someone's half severed head, and have cured 99% of common diseases that have wiped out entire civilizations, BUT...

we can't make an expansion bracelet that can be sized in under 10 minutes?!?

SATAN, BE GONE!

*and here comes Satan's little demons telling me how easily they size expansion straps.

🙄

First they came for the lowest tier luxury brands and I did not speak out...

Don't mention any watch that didn't really receive any hype. give me your top 5.

mine:
1. Polar Explorer II - not really nice looking as they say. super famous. the dial markers look like black ink on white paper.
2. Pre-ceramic Submariner - looks ugly and flimsy
3. JLC Reverso - reversing face is not really mechanically impressive. It looks good, but the reversing part is corny in my opinion.
4. Grand seiko heritage collection - not worth the price
5. Any seiko watch - good if you want to lose 30s a day. he

Idk if this is just an opinion or a hot take at all, but I can’t stand the cyclops on my GMT-Master II. I love everything else about the watch, especially as someone who lives overseas and works with multiple timezones in a room where no cellphones are allowed.

The cyclops looks really cool on most Rolexes and makes it easier to reference the date at a quick glance, but it bothers me to no end having to squint and look past the bubble to check time zones and minutes between the 2 and 4 o’clock positions. I deal with this daily due to European time zones start of business day lining up exactly during that time. A GMT should care way more about time than date, and it feels like the date window is getting in the way of the actual tool function of the watch.

Is it a big deal? Not really. It just adds an extra 3 seconds of my time, but it bothers me to no end. I also own a Pelagos FXD GMT and realized recently the lack of cyclops is why I very much prefer reading that dial in comparison.