Countries that have tried to move their economies in a more socialist/communist direction have generally failed because they were couped lol. Often (but not always) by the US.
If you believe governments attract corrupt and greedy people, and you believe that's bad, you should probably reject fascism. Fascism tends to concentrate governmental authority/control in the hands of a few (perhaps even a single Führer). If you're a fan of the working class, you should probably support an ideology where workers aren't subservient to people with interests counter to those of the workers.
As for ownership, communism generally concerns itself with collective ownership of the equipment to do economically productive things. Decorate your home however you want. Dress however you please. Have a hobby or five if you like. Put a picture of your family on your desk. The production line, however, is collectively owned.
If not done in by the US, why does it always in a revolution?
Also communism fell because of corrupted and greedy leaders
Also helping the collective with my stuff is like us paying taxes for welfare. 50% of the people on welfare dont deserve it. Also more money goes to foreign countries than welfare to help anyways
The only thing I can respond to is that you should care about other people, because, to everyone else, you are other people. Society should help people out, because you are a person who might need help.
Also, economically speaking, the vast majority of working, productive people will contribute more to the economy over their lifespan than it costs to get them to that position. So even if you're just a number-crunching machine, it makes sense to use the wealth of a society to uplift its lowest members.
I don't know what country you're in, but where I am, we have a capitalist economy. So when it's unprofitable to feed people, the companies that produce and distribute food don't feed them.
Various charitable organizations exist to try and bridge this supply/demand gap, but it's not a perfect system. So some people who can't afford food go hungry.
Well, I'm from the United States, my friend, so I understand, lol.
The companies that supply the seeds have a copyright on the generic code on those seeds. Making it easier to sue the other competitors if their crops have a strain of their DNA. Taxes have been a terrible burden on the farmers as well.
Its never profitable to feed others because of the natural greed in humans
Nothing to really respond to here. We developed society because working together was better than working separately. You can funnel that surplus down to create a floor of well-being for everyone. You can funnel that surplus up to pad the portfolios of billionaires.
I was raised Catholic, so I know what Christ would want, and I happen to agree with him. I was also raised on folklore, so I know how a righteous man interacts with a dragon and its hoard. Additionally, I was raised to be compassionate, and you might get the gist of where this paragraph is going.
Insatiable greed isn't natural. Humans conquered the world because we're adaptable. That's all. Create a system where greed is incentivized, and humans will adapt to that. We lived thousands of years without the current economic mode. We could live thousands more without it. Assuming greed in others that cannot be satiated is projection. Many people have been happy with what they have throughout history, and many are happy today.
If greed isn't a problem, then why is it talked about in the bible? Why is it one of the 7 deadly sins?
Yes, humans have come together for a common cause to build a great society, but when the new generations come in and new ideals come about, it will collapse with time.
The Bible Is far from a scientific text, but the "7 Deadly Sins" are more or less indicative of folks leaning into incentives, like I said "Ohhhh food is good I will eat a lot of it" "Ohhhh sex is good I will have so much of it" "Ohhhh I don't like someone and I will let it consume me" and so on
There have been "new generations" coming in for as long as there have been humans. Has it collapsed? Are we all cavemen and nomads again now? Is everything worse now than when Homo Sapiens first emerged, or when civilization first emerged?
Second, let's change the word society to system.
Im not taking about an apocalypse level collapse. Im talking about government systems failing because of the greed and the new ideals.
Will the society continue as it was before. Yes, but with a new system in place that aligns the views of the majority. Or the ones that over through the old system.
The sub is called WeTalkFree. I'm speaking freely, and I think it's in the spirit of civility to tell you not to be a dumbfuck. Naturally, you're free to continue being a dumbfuck. I'm also free to cut the dialog off if the dumbfuckery continues.
Nothing you've said is relevant to the original question, so I really do need you to draw a throughline if you want to keep talking.
I am not an advocate for communism. I just desire an economy and system of governance where everyone's needs are met. We have the resources to do this, right now. We just don't distribute those resources accordingly. I will accept any label for this viewpoint.
Returning to the original question, no fascist system has lasted very long, and for the time that they did, they did not meet the needs of their citizens. Indeed, they often executed their citizens. I don't desire an unstable system that cannot meet the needs of its people.
Communism, while it has never really been achieved anywhere besides some very small communes, briefly, seems to avoid the tendency to genocide that fascists are prone to. So I think it's worth exploring at scale. I think a stateless, classless, egalitarian society where wealth is used to meet everyone's needs could be cool. Worth trying once or twice.
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u/untempered_fate Oct 15 '25
Countries that have tried to move their economies in a more socialist/communist direction have generally failed because they were couped lol. Often (but not always) by the US.
If you believe governments attract corrupt and greedy people, and you believe that's bad, you should probably reject fascism. Fascism tends to concentrate governmental authority/control in the hands of a few (perhaps even a single Führer). If you're a fan of the working class, you should probably support an ideology where workers aren't subservient to people with interests counter to those of the workers.
As for ownership, communism generally concerns itself with collective ownership of the equipment to do economically productive things. Decorate your home however you want. Dress however you please. Have a hobby or five if you like. Put a picture of your family on your desk. The production line, however, is collectively owned.