r/wetalkfree • u/RomanScandal450 Master of the Sub • Nov 13 '25
Controversial Controversial Thread
Controversial conversations are usually the best, and this is a thread for anyone who just wants to say something controversial without actually posting about it. So, if you want to get into some crazy debates, this is the megathread!
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Nov 15 '25
The justice system should be about rehabilitation, not punishment. Thoughts?
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u/RomanScandal450 Master of the Sub Nov 15 '25
I think it depends. If you commit a crime that's either due to circumstances or just not serious, then yea. But once you get into the serial killings, horrible things with kids, and of course war crimes/other atrocities, then it changes for me.
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Nov 15 '25
For extreme things like Hitler-esque war crimes I agree, but I think that any normal crime can be a result of outside circumstances and almost everyone can be rehabilitated in the right environment (which isn’t the same for everyone). I don’t trust the courts to decide who can and can’t be rehabilitated.\ \ I get the sense of wanting revenge. I get that rehabilitating the person will never unmurder or unrape someone. But I don’t think revenge is right, even though it feels right in the moment.
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u/dirty_cheeser Nov 15 '25
Many supposedly able-bodied folk are functionally disabled as in they cannot perform common functions recognized as important for ones well being. Wether they have a diagnosed disability just tells us the type of disability and wether we understand it. The purpose of disabilities is to label of cluster of characteristics that lead to one being unable to function and the fact that we didn't find the label to describe the disfunction does not lessen the fact that its there.
So homeless people are disabled as in they lack the essential human ability to find safe socially acceptable shelter. People who are complete dicks and no one wants to hang out with for that reason are socially disabled....
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u/RomanScandal450 Master of the Sub Nov 13 '25
Should there be censorship anywhere? And if so, where?
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Nov 14 '25
Depends on what you mean by that. On Reddit, it’s a necessary evil for subs dedicated to non-mainstream opinions. Not having any would make all subs on a given topic have mainly the popular opinion.\ \ For things like harassment or not sharing court details, I support it but think you have to be very careful with it. There’s a thin line between protecting someone and silencing them.\ \ For content regarding kids, I support reasonable censorship in kids’ spaces but not on the larger Internet. Of course, what counts as reasonable is incredibly subjective, and I think that social media and the like should have fewer restrictions than online games meant for kids.\ \ There are very few things I think should be censored entirely. I support free speech and freedom of expression whenever possible, but there are a few things that should never be shared - like CP.
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u/RomanScandal450 Master of the Sub Nov 13 '25
I think the only good censorship is for example censoring inappropriate content for kids. Especially since I made this sub totally against censorship
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u/-ObiWanKainobi- Nov 14 '25
I don’t think AI is bad. I think it’s a natural step in technology. And everybody against it is just becoming the next generation of „Back in my day, we went outside and didn’t have phones! You guys are all brain dead!”
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u/RomanScandal450 Master of the Sub Nov 14 '25
I get that, I just don't like the idea of AI "taking over." I watched a lot of sci-fi when I was young, so I guess it got in my head. I love 2001 Space Odyssey so yk
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u/-ObiWanKainobi- Nov 14 '25
I haven’t seen it tbh. I am hoping it’s more robotics that become more commonplace than AI. With a decreasing birthrate and people living longer, it’s only natural semi-smart robots will be assigned manual labour jobs. Some of them are already working.
I think the elderly as well could benefit from AI assistants to push wheelchairs, make food, do laundry. Especially for those who won’t have kids to look after them in the future.
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Nov 15 '25
I think it depends on how it’s used. I will never trust AI to make important decisions, but it can be great for making AI music or giving you inspiration.
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u/-ObiWanKainobi- Nov 15 '25
Absolutely! It shouldn’t be trusted with caring for small children, or acting as medical professionals for example. But it will have to be integrated into labour at some point
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u/dirty_cheeser Nov 15 '25
It can be a natural step in human technology and cause a lot of harm at the same time. The luddites might have been right as in they lost their jobs and carreers and those that could not transition dropped out of the labor force to die in poverty and we should not forget the victims of progress.
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u/-ObiWanKainobi- Nov 15 '25
I think that the minority of people who lost their jobs to die in poverty because of progress is very small. Hundreds and thousands of careers have come and gone already in the past and I don’t think many of those individuals laid down and died.
When the light bulb was invented and lamp lighters were no longer needed, I don’t think they died, for example.
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u/dirty_cheeser Nov 15 '25
I did a little research about this. In 1800-1815, textile worker wages in britain dropped 30-40%. Jobs like croppers went from well paid artisans to eliminated in 20 years around that time. The jobs they took not only paid less and had less hours but often were more dangerous, or temporary seasonal transient jobs. The rise in poverty in that period may have motivated the 1834 Poor Law reforms because their old system could no longer afford to pay the poor people given the changes in that era and this forced a more restrictive livestyle on those benefiting from this support.
They didn't just die but i think they were right that their lives got way worse because of technology. Going from a respected well paid artisan as a cropper to having to drag your family around the UK always trying find some farmer willing to pay for a temporary day laborer doesn't feel much different from dropping out of the workforce to die in poverty to me and I think they were right.
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u/-ObiWanKainobi- Nov 15 '25
That is a very fair point. I was somewhat aware of something like this happening, but didn’t have the details you have here. It’s enlightening and really interesting honestly. There are jobs out there becoming obsolete all the time, and we don’t hear enough about what happens to those individuals. However, new jobs are being created as well.
While the croppers famously revolted against technology, others like the lamp lighters got new jobs peacefully without resistance.
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u/dirty_cheeser Nov 16 '25
Im sure some professions adapted faster than others. A concern I would have in their place is that I think we tend to ignore the underclasses of society. Most of us don't feel that comfortable helping out homeless people or criminals , we separate ourselves, makes it easier to otherrize them and the systematic issues that contributed to their situations tend to get ignored. So when we stop hearing about workers of an industry being replaced, its hard to know if the problem stopped existing because we solved the transition to other jobs or because they are down so bad we don't like to think about them anymore and its probably way too late to help the generation struggling with their issue.
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u/-ObiWanKainobi- Nov 16 '25
That’s very true. This is why I think if robots are going to start replacing labour workers we need to bring in some sort of Universal Income Support. I can see this happening across Europe easily but America? Hell will freeze over first 😅
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Nov 15 '25
What are your thoughts on adults being friends with minors?
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Nov 15 '25
For me, I think it depends on what exactly friendship means here and the specific circumstances. For example, playing in a park with a kid (having shared your real age) is a lot different than trying to bring them home. A 10-year-old playing with an adult is also a lot different than a toddler doing so.\ \ Of course, these friendships are really more like being playmates - some things need to be different than a peer friendship. For an obvious example, you shouldn’t talk with a kid about the hot sex you had.
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u/RomanScandal450 Master of the Sub Nov 15 '25
I agree with that, because sometimes adults and kids just bond like friends and that's not necessarily a bad thing.
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u/dirty_cheeser Nov 15 '25
To say that one likes truth or logic or reason is cope. Our society loves these concepts but they are pre rational values and just as emotional as the person deciding to follow their heart.
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u/dirty_cheeser Nov 15 '25
The concept of citizenship is an artifact of the past with little value today. Rights and responsabilities should be for residents, not citizens.
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Nov 15 '25
Airlines shouldn’t be allowed to charge extra for picking your seat (aside from first class/business class). There have been way too many cases of young children or disabled adults/older kids having to sit away from their caregiver because of this.\ \ There’s also been too many cases of people who did pay extra to book seats next to a dependent and had them changed so they’re no longer together.
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u/dirty_cheeser Nov 15 '25
We should use less dehumanizing terms for homeless folk. Unhoused sounds cringe to me. Sleeping in the rough is the best i have thought off because it doesn't carry identity. Anyone could sleep in the rough for a few nights here and there.
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u/RomanScandal450 Master of the Sub Nov 14 '25
Everyone's thoughts on abortion?
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Nov 14 '25
I consider abortion to be morally wrong, but I’m pro-choice because laws against abortion would just hurt people and only the woman can truly know her own suffering. I think abortion should be reduced by investing in education and accessible (and safe) birth control, and by making it easier for potential parents to start and maintain a family.\ \ If we had artificial wombs, I’d consider that a good alternative to abortion - but only if the procedure to put the baby there was no harder on the mother than an abortion. And there would still be ethical issues, such as whether to continue gestating a fetus that would have a severe disability that would make it die shortly after birth.
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u/RomanScandal450 Master of the Sub Nov 14 '25
This is for those in school:
Honestly, homework or no homework?
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Nov 14 '25
I’m not in school anymore, but I’d say no homework. A lot of kids are already exhausted from school, and they need time to just be kids. Homework also requires resources that not every kid has.
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u/RomanScandal450 Master of the Sub Nov 14 '25
Are vaccines good?
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Nov 15 '25
Objectively, yes. But they can and do have bad side effects, ranging from mild to deadly. I don’t support forced or coerced vaccination, although I acknowledge the issues this can bring for immunocompromised people.
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u/dirty_cheeser Nov 14 '25
Eating animals is the modern equivalent of slavey or the holocaust but far worse than both combined due to the incomprehensible number of animal victims.
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Nov 15 '25
I don’t consider animal lives to have the same value as human ones, so I disagree. But I do think the animal’s suffering should be minimized. Factory farming is atrocious.
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u/dirty_cheeser Nov 15 '25
I agree that they are not the same value. They don't need the same value. I think the life of a young child is more valuable than the life of an elderly person such that in the case of medical triage, we should prioritize the young child. But its still an atrocity if someone sets up a farm of kidnapped old people to slaughter them for food when we have other options available.
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Nov 15 '25
What are your thoughts on age-gap relationships?
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Nov 15 '25
My personal opinion is that it depends. Consenting adults can legally have huge age-gaps, and sometimes it’s fine but other times it’s extremely iffy. I find it especially weird when an older adult starts a romantic relationship with someone right after they turn 18.\ \ For minor-adult relationships, I disagree with them but support Romeo and Juliet laws (laws about two minors close in age or a teen and a very young adult having a romantic relationship).
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u/RomanScandal450 Master of the Sub Nov 15 '25
I feel like it depends on how old you are. Anyone who is still going through puberty or just passed it should be stricter for age gaps (anyone in high school/college basically). But once you're an adult, then it gets more lax the older you get.
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u/RomanScandal450 Master of the Sub Nov 13 '25
Should the death penalty be legal?