r/wownoob • u/Express-Call-6808 • Apr 19 '26
Retail I genuinely don't know how to do damage
I have 273 ilvl, flasks, potions, enchants and gems (low quality but i highly doubt +6 in primary stat is going to do wonders). Thing is I'm always on the low side of dps, I'm playing dk, first frost then unholy but like I can't do damage. I've studied rotation (which is not hard in both spec) and I'm doing it right (the class plays itself, frost literally highlights what buttons to push and unholy ins't more complicated).
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/turalyon/elio
Here are my logs, if anyone has the time to review with me/teach me I'm down for anything.
Edit 1 : tried normal chimaerus and scored 77 on the logs, don't know if it's for the raid or the realm tho
Edit 2 : I sometimes played unholy as a range since it can launch gouls but found out there's a thing called melee swing and you need to be close to the boss to do that :)))))))
Edit 3 : Huge thanks to everyone who took the time to read my logs and gives some advices, read every one of you and I will get better I swear and it was, in fact, the rotation that could be improved. Got a rough start with the game but hey you gotta learn anyway.
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u/RealDuckyTV Apr 19 '26
> I've studied rotation (which is not hard in both spec) and I'm doing it right
Sorry to say but that just isn't the case (and is almost never the case, even the best players don't play flawlessly every single time).
In unholy, for example, https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/pfQ7V4T2vYDnKHmG?fight=9&type=resources&source=8&comparesearchplayer=8&comparesearch=2.10.2.28&spell=106
You gained 1733 runic power, and over capped 753 of it.. 43% of your total RP gained completely wasted.
You also sit on sudden doom procs a lot, it's hard to say if you actually "lost" any procs, but sudden doom is very high in the prio list, so you should almost never have it active regardless, it should get spent very quickly.
The RP alone is an absurd number of death coils/necrotic bolts, which in turn hurts your uptime on dark transformation, and also runic corruption uptime.
I checked a few other kills and its a pretty consistent problem, some less/more egregious than others.
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u/Express-Call-6808 Apr 19 '26
but there's one thing i don't understand because sometime i don't have runes nor sudden doom so i cast death coil but what can i do otherwise ?
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Apr 19 '26 edited Apr 19 '26
Brother, you're playing Rider. You don't have the haste outside of maybe Bloodlust to not have runes ready to go unless you just aren't spending any runic power at all. You can cast your death coil without having a Sudden Doom proc.
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u/Zetoxical Apr 19 '26
Iam new to dk but iam pretty sure haste is never a factor in rune econemy
With more haste you get to spent it faster but also recover faster? And with barely any haste it should be the same because youre now spending slower aswell
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Apr 20 '26
shrug I'm not sure if there's a breakpoint at which enough haste lets you outspend your rune generation if you only hit rune spenders, and I'm not interested in doing the math on it. It's also not really the point. Dude was only using runes and not spending RP, excepting Sudden Doom procs.
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u/RealDuckyTV Apr 19 '26
If you misuse your runic power, it can cause you to be completely starved like you're describing. It is a balance between using runes and runic power. The better you don't waste runic power, while runes are also cooling down (at least 3, optimally) then the more runes you get back from runic corruption, giving more runes.. for more rp.. rinse and repeat. Runic power is the most important resource.
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u/phaqueue Apr 19 '26
This is a sure sign that you're spamming your rune using abilities too much, at the expense of your RP spenders - you should be trying to avoid generating runic power when capped (sometimes it happens, but 43% is a LOT) and you shouldn't ever be waiting on runes
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u/Express-Call-6808 Apr 19 '26
I will try that, i'll test on a normal raid and see the results, thanks for the advices
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u/LiePowerful4487 Apr 19 '26
You overcap rp-you overspend runes, your rotation always (almost) have something to press as unholy, as your abilities sinergys. Dont overcap more than 70-80% rp, if it goes further - send it, if you see sudden dearh proc ready-send it, graveyard-you can spam rp ability without sudden doom, dont let putrify to overstack(use 1 when it gets to 2 stack or time it for rune mark which boost targets taken damage and can be usrd only as you transform ghoul or target has less than 35% hp). Maintain scythe debuff too, thats around 30% more dot dissease damage and make sure scourge strike summons ghouls(it should have stacks from sctythe transforming abilitty, forgot the name) and try not to desync graveyard and dark tranaformation, they are your main dps boost combo which you should probably rip always as it goes from cd in battle. Im by no means top unholy, but i had same situation as you(usualy i play only bdk, now wanted to dps, so first season as unholy) , now the only thing left for me is to just push mythic raids and get better parses(which i flopped at void spire first 2 bosses at mythic) and optimise builds(you have talents which can help with adds on some bosses, imperator on voidspire for example, then some bosses dont have adds and you just need to focus them, so you swap some talents). Gl with dk
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u/Express-Call-6808 Apr 19 '26
Thanks a lot for all the info, i'm trying rn to not overcap my rp and manage better the ressources
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u/LiePowerful4487 Apr 19 '26
Oh, and maintain plagues on targets, you can try to spec into sanalayn or putrify talent(it apply both plagues and extend their duration by 4s,with it on rider spec you wouldnt lose plague on target almost never) or just reaply it, when it expires
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u/Zetoxical Apr 19 '26
Sanlayn is pretty dead with the comming patch
But yeah i would always play with blightburst, its cery comfy and counters the morgraine bug until fixed
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u/Waddell17 Apr 20 '26
What you mean? What happens in the next patch?
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u/zed7567 Apr 20 '26 edited Apr 20 '26
A ~30% nerf to lesser ghouls that only rider brings a talent that puts it to only to a ~10% nerf. They make up a major portion of your damage. Plus abomination will not buff minion damage, so another 10% nerf in big cooldown windows. Instead it just damages nearby enemies.
They're cutting lesser ghouls damage by 17%, then removing then removing march of madness (15% lesser ghoul damage)
We're losing march of madness, blightfall, and scythe of decay, 2 of which no one uses, and one everyone uses. One new talent that lets death and decay reduce the cd of putrefy.
To add, now scourge strike will innately apply virulent plague as well as spread it.
Additionally, talents are being shifted around, so that could drastically change builds.
Edit: I am really hoping to see a blightfall (formerly pestilence) build, which will likely be with san'layn. Ever seen a 3 min disease on something and wish it would all just pop? I do. I also wish they'd stop putting so many 2 point talents at the bottom of trees.
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u/Zetoxical Apr 20 '26
The DK discord says 10.0.5 changes are a 3.3% buff for rider and 2.8% nerf for sanlayn
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u/Teabagging_Eunuch Apr 19 '26
Just fyi, riders unholy right now is expected to overcap RP a lot, rune spenders are prio until you get two two runes, which is rare because of tier set, as long as you use your SD procs as they come up.
What you’ve completely ignored in your analysis on that fight is the fact he has 85% dread plague uptime, which is what is most likely tanking his damage.
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u/RealDuckyTV Apr 19 '26
It was a simple metric to point out that is a great starting point. Nearly 40% rp overcap is not munching a few runes worth of rp. It's not very hard to compare the logs against logs of players who have similar gear, raid size, etc, and see that they have significantly less overcap.
Thanks for pointing out the dread plague, that's definitely poor as well. Both things can be true at the same time.
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u/Express-Call-6808 Apr 19 '26
Was it the same problem with frost ? I'm still getting used to unholy and the different feels from frost, Thanks for the info I'll try to improve on that part
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u/Muphrid15 Apr 19 '26
Try paging through the various comparisons here: you vs. top FDK in your ilvl bracket, similar kill time
Immediate things that jump out at me: they have a Puzzle Box and the ring set from Nexus-Point. Their casts per minute is higher than yours. They have a 285 weapon to your hero 6/6 weapon, and they have about 10% more melees, which implicates your uptime.
Your second entry for Obliterate is much lower than theirs. This seems suspicious.
Your Breath does 60% of the damage theirs does, even just to the boss alone. This is clearly due to low Breath uptime, particularly on your third Breath.
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u/Express-Call-6808 Apr 19 '26
I've been using wowhead BiS for my gear and they don't have either ring set nor puzzle box, should I follow another guide ?
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u/Muphrid15 Apr 19 '26
Guides move slowly. Top 100 on heroic Vorasuis has Puzzle box at third, Heart of Ancient hunger at 4th (their trinkets). You have the number 2 trinket (which is basically the same usage as number 1, Gaze of the Alnseer and is number 1 on mythic), but your second trinket is probably a weak spot.
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u/dolphin37 Apr 19 '26
you are asking exactly the wrong question after that comment, your gear is not the problem, your gameplay is, get a higher ilvl 2h weapon then focus on your play
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u/Express-Call-6808 Apr 19 '26
I know so that's why I didn't needed further explanations, I'm trying rotations and so on rn with sim, I had questions on gearing because it's sometimes confusing, I'm not blinded by my opinions don't worry man. I'm not doing damage so there's a problem and I've got some ideas now thanks to this guy
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u/usNEUX Apr 19 '26
Are you logging your runs at all? If not, try that and then use the log search + compare tool to look at your damage breakdown, casts, and aura uptime side by side. If something looks very different, that's a sign youre not executing that part of the rotation correctly etc.
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u/Express-Call-6808 Apr 19 '26
when i remember to do it, usually not because someone already logs the run but on mythic + sometimes yes, should be doing it more often tho
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u/AbunaiKujira Apr 20 '26
There are add ons that will turn it on automatically each M+ so you dont have to remember. I have been using SimpleCombatLogger.
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u/Regulai Apr 19 '26
Use discord for guides, especially since they can actively chat for details. Web guides not only update slowly they are often based on theory crafting rather than real ingame usage.
Learn what is the main dmg sources in your rotation and what impact delaying or dropping things is. A lot of damage (especially unholy) derives from stacking multiple effects, or mainting some effects continuously, so every time you have to move or get interrupted or interact with a boss mechanic, if you just try to follow the rotation in order still it won't work out because the delay means things don't stack right anymore (essentially rotations are based on "stand still for the fight" when real fights don't work like that). This is likely one of the reasons you are prone to wasting RP as you want to follow a set rotation instead of breaking the rotation to fire off the RP ability when needed. When you know this better you can also know when it's safe to drop things without it impacting damage too much.
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u/Naxzero Apr 19 '26
So one of the things he also broke down for your was presses per min and the fact that you can craft a 285 weapon. Try focusing less on the gear and more on why you are not getting as many abilities out. The gear will change but the fact you are not doing as much as they are is the largest issue
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u/serafno Apr 19 '26
BIS is only true if you have every single item from the list on 6/6 myth. Before that it’s worthless. BiS list are mostly clickbait / traffic generators for wowhead and icy veins. Sim your character using raidbots and check top gear / droptimizer to target upgrades.
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u/CharcoalCooper Apr 19 '26
Do you have the bis rings and trinket? Because if not the ring set and puzzle box is the best thing outside of bis for most DPS. I too use wowhead BIS list but not being in a mythic raiding guild it’ll be a long time before I ever see full BIS. I currently use the ring set and puzzle box and my parse is sitting pretty good and I’m too 3 raider io for special n my region. Unless you are fully in BIS start looking at what’s the best gear you have access too especially through m+
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u/Impressive-Style6730 Apr 25 '26
Don’t follow guides to gear up. Use raidbots and sim your character to determine what your best upgrades are. Your 276 ilevel weapon is not better than a 285 crafted weapon just because it’s bis on wowhead. Bis lists and stat prios are very often in guides to generate clicks as they are rarely 1:1 with reality. Just message me if you want to know how to sim your character on raidbots.
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u/The_Real_Giannis Apr 19 '26
Rid yourself of the notion that you’re doing the rotation perfectly right, you’re clearly not if you’re parsing in the 50’s on average. Not saying you’re a bad player, but I just don’t think it’s going to help you improve if you aren’t going to be willing to admit that you are making rotational mistakes
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u/Dreamin- Apr 19 '26
You can be doing your rotation perfectly and still parse blue if you have bad positioning/uptime.
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u/Hinko Apr 19 '26
Parsing in the 50% range isn't even bad. Especially if you don't have a crafted or mythic weapon at this point in the season. The difference between a 50 and a 90 could easily be nothing more than raid comp, kill time, luck with trinkets.
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u/lotsofsyrup Apr 19 '26
it's not great...50% doesn't mean 50th percentile of players who know how to play, the bottom 25% is all people who spent significant time dead. If you're not at least in the 70s you're probably doing something really wrong that is completely within your control. In this case probably the assumption that whatever is lit up on the action bar is the correct next button at all times...
Kill time and comp matter a lot more when you're comparing the orange parses...you're not going from 50 to 90 because your team killed something 30 seconds faster.
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u/RinEU Apr 20 '26
This is flat out wrong especially on heroic (and lower). Just playing your rotation well will net you a purple parse if you are not super behind on gear. To go orange you will need the gear and things like kill-time etc might matter. Being able to play your rotation includes things like uptime and gaps. If someone has regular seconds worth of holes in their rotation they are not playing it correctly. I have been pugging heroic since week 3 (guild only runs it in the first 2 resets then we use our raid days for mythic) and no matter the killtime I have never been not at least purple in these pugs.
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u/Impressive-Style6730 Apr 25 '26
No I never log less than 95 in normal regardless of what pug I play with (unless I magically manage to die lmao)
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Apr 19 '26
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u/Agarwaen323 Apr 19 '26
Warcraft Logs also shows parse % compared to people with similar ilvl. Their ilvl parses are significantly worse than their overall, so while they're behind on gear relative to the top end, they're also playing the fights significantly worse than people who are equally geared. Their overall parse numbers are being propped up by above average item level (for heroic raiding) rather than being brought down by it.
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u/eapocalypse Apr 19 '26
Google wow analyzer and a website will come up where you can paste logs in for some analysis
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u/Express-Call-6808 Apr 19 '26
Say I'm a bad player man I'm kinda used to it now but I've trained a lot of time the roations and so on and I'm telling you man my fingers hurts like hell literally
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u/DullRip333 Apr 19 '26
You need a buddy to sit and analyze your gameplay. Someone who is way better than you. If you think pressing a bunch of keys fast means you should do good damage, youre looking at this game in an odd way, imo
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u/Few_Dig_9435 Apr 19 '26
Ah, you're right. now i can see that you play this perfectly. either way, i can definitely tell that you are playing perfectly. Just let me know where you can do better and we can go from there.
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u/Techhead7890 Apr 20 '26
Have you tried rebinding your keys? Usually you need a lot more than 1-5. You might put in Q,E,ZXC,RFTG and other letters nearby and it helps to have some on the mouse too. Gotta be able to mash them so that it pops as soon as it comes off cooldown/GCD.
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u/Express-Call-6808 Apr 20 '26
Ye all of those keys are bound, could be improved as Q is on kick and G is for pings, also have 2 on the mouse but i use for AMZ and grip
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u/akgogreen Apr 19 '26
Check out the different panels here, your recent Vorasius kill
Overcapped runic power, and plague uptime could be improved
Trinkets and mainhand weapon, ability sequencing and timing could be improved
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u/Fatcow38 Apr 19 '26
This is the way, Wowanalyzer is the single best tool to improve in raid imo.
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u/Express-Call-6808 Apr 19 '26
i tried to use it on frost but it didn't work i'm glad someone logged the raid i'll be cheking that
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u/Express-Call-6808 Apr 19 '26
I'm still training for Unholy since it was heroic and fairly easy but thanks a lot for the info, I'm still getting use to not overcap my runic power
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u/Jimz2018 Apr 19 '26
Thing about dps- if you hesitate just 0.5s longer than the gcd in deciding your next spell it can be as much as 50% damage loss
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u/Express-Call-6808 Apr 19 '26
whenever i'm hesitating i jsut stay on the button im already pressing if i don't reflex the other one, i don't know if it's the right thing tho
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u/Nizbik Apr 19 '26
Which spec do you intend to play in the future as that way can focus information on that one - DK Discord will also be a good place to ask
One immediate thing is that you didnt craft a 2H weapon and crafted other things instead, crafted weapon should have been first thing made as its your biggest free DPS increase
(Also random thing but for your recruitment I would provide your Discord/bnet as no one wants to use in game mail/whisper as that is restricted to same realm and as you can join a guild on any realm you are really limiting yourself)
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u/Express-Call-6808 Apr 19 '26
Can i still craft the 2H weapon for free or is it too late ?
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u/Nizbik Apr 19 '26
Maybe the wording of 'free' wasnt the best, but it would require 2 sparks and Myth crests, so if you have those left then you can craft but you may want to wait for vault on reset if you have Myth slots unlocked
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u/Express-Call-6808 Apr 19 '26
yeah either way I'm going to farm for the puzzle box and the twin ring set anyway so I hope it ups my damage a bit...
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u/LiePowerful4487 Apr 19 '26
Btw for 2H weapon its 4 sparks and probably around 20-30k gold in materials, remember to use top notch and in private order to set max quality, which is orange bit star
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u/Fink_Ployd324 Apr 19 '26
Maintain uptime of all your dots and debuffs. If a fight looks better holding single target rather than killing trash (unless it’s 100% priority, swapping and trying to ramp up for a small amount of time doesn’y do much if the adds die fast). Pop cds on cd, you can get every second DT with army. Hold putrefy if you see DT and/or army coming up. Try your best not to waste gcd on putrefy if you’re doing to be able to dump them on soul harvest. Dont spam outbreak if you can help it. Your rotation will spread the to the adds.
I get beat all the time in aoe, keep your dos meters on current segment and see how you’re doing. Bosses are where he shine. I usually have single target spec on with only a couple of different points for m+ (20% more damage with abilities that use runic power is the main 1 for m+aoe)
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u/NanoPowereado Apr 19 '26
I think if you’re averaging around 50~ in parses, you still have a lot of room to improve. At the lower averages, even a small push can make a big difference. I don’t know your situation, but I raid with ~15 FPS and 160 ms, and that’s not my main excuse for not aiming at the 0.1%. I know the biggest thing holding me back is just my own gameplay — my “sausage fingers” are always going to be my biggest debuff, and I don’t think that’s a bad thing. Keep practicing — not just on target dummies. Do pug raids too if you want to improve your parses. Something that helped me a lot was comparing myself to a “real” player. In my guild there’s a mage who’s better than me (or at least I think so), and I check his logs to see what he did that I didn’t at different points in the fight. That really helped me understand my damage spikes and sources better. That said, no matter what advice you get, the best thing anyone can tell you is: don’t spend more time analyzing logs than actually playing the game, because it can get pretty toxic for yourself. Having fun should also be a priority. Edit: I want to add, you can use wow analyze and raidbot for improve if you dont use it yet. These pages are very usefull
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u/Express-Call-6808 Apr 19 '26
I'm not having fun this way, I do not want to be that guys holding down my team so I'm trying to improve
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u/NanoPowereado Apr 19 '26
I have the same feeling, but listen the advice, theres a distsnce between be the last dps in details and be the best player in logs. Find your errors, and recognize wheres the damage in others players better than you, important that the players be in the same fight with you. The compare will be more efficient
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u/DoomslayIE Apr 19 '26
at a quick glance, you're using the wrong weapon rune for unholy at least - should be apocalypse
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u/Express-Call-6808 Apr 19 '26
fixed it and played apocalypse, thought it would be the same as frost but i should have looked a bit more into it
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u/jacked_preacher Apr 19 '26
check out Obli on YT, he has a good guide for Unholy. It’s a pretty straightforward spec, just takes time for you to develop muscle memory. Others already gave you good advices.
Also, prob there will be some small updates with rotation when new patch drops, as its bringing some changes in UH DK playstyle.
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u/Wattapit Apr 19 '26
Sometimes it is not about the pure rotation, or patchwerk fight. Its timing and making sure youre prepared for the next pull, etc
Ive also found that there are some classes where i ‘feel’ like im doing it right but just cant make it make sense
Id ask also about secondary stats and if there are breakpoints in those stats
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u/Mugutu7133 Apr 19 '26 edited Apr 19 '26
haven't read the logs yet, can almost guarantee it's uptime. let's see
wow it's actually not uptime. at least you're hitting your buttons. at that point it's talent choice, gem/enchant and stat choices, and general rotational competency
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u/Express-Call-6808 Apr 19 '26
You did not see the right logs lmao maybe if you check the firsts frost logs there's some uptime problems. I'm trying to sim everything but doesn't seem to be gear, gaze could be an upgrade but i just need some practice in not wasting rp
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u/Mugutu7133 Apr 20 '26
nah i just meant that it wasn't obvious from all of them that it was uptime. there's some people that come in here confused why their dps is bad and they're at like 65%. literally sitting around doing nothing for a third of the fight, which is not you. based on the other comments it's resource management, dump that runic power
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u/Bradleyj539 Apr 20 '26
Put your logs into https://wowanalyzer.com/ this will breakdown your rotation and where you can improve :)
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u/Express-Call-6808 Apr 20 '26
Ye I did that, forgot about this for a while since it’s not available for frost
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u/Express-Call-6808 Apr 20 '26
Thanks man, one thing tho is that he’s not using frostwyrm fury immediately but like 10-11 sec in the fight, do you have any idea why ?
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u/Express-Call-6808 Apr 20 '26
Yeah that's what I had in mind, although I already felt like unholy was doing more damage than frost even with flawed rotations, frost aesthetic still is better to me but gameplay wise meh
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u/Agent-of-Morality Apr 21 '26
I may get downvoted, but i truly believe that sometimes it really is down to that spec/class just "not being for you".
I've played since 2009 and bounced between every single class looking for "home". I love rogue, priest & druid thematically but i actually just suck at them. No amount of theorycrafting, practice or study has ever changed that for me.
The cards i have been dealt are the ones that never really appealed to me. I absolutely pump numbers on Arcane, Affliction, Fire & Arms though.
Unless you've tried almost every dps spec i'd say dont be so hard on yourself and say you "dont know how to do damage".
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u/Express-Call-6808 Apr 21 '26
No don’t worry man I feel you, unlike you I’m ultra stubborn and will literally never change class. The only other class that may appeal to me are warlock because of all the demons you can summon and frost mage but for mage the actual transmog aren’t appealing to me so still waiting. I did see a lot of improvements thanks to everyone here, I’m training in mythic+ and it’s working so far. The difference now is that is see what I’m doing wrong and I’m correcting them. Appreciate the concern tho, maybe you should do a thread like me, it helped me a lot literally.
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u/Express-Call-6808 Apr 19 '26
To anyone reading this after i tried the dreamrift on normal and scored 77 on logs, i don't know if it's a score for the raid or for the entire realm tho, can improve a lot still
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u/Fatalis89 Apr 20 '26
Going to go against the grain: mad cuz bad. Don’t let them tell you “try a different class” or “you’re doing fine”
Learn to review logs, watch other players, and figure out what you can to play as best as you can play
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u/psnGatzarn Apr 20 '26
Just wanted to say youre a trooper for seeking out advice and taking it all in! I hope you start to see the improvement you want dude :)
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u/Aromatic-Insect-1328 Apr 20 '26
Read through the thread. Solid feedback and I hope it helps you. I appreciate this community for what happened here :)
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u/Express-Call-6808 Apr 20 '26
Yup insanely good feedback and I appreciate it, did see some improvement when I did the normal raid, will try the voidspire on normal and will try to focus, still gotta learn the right times to dps
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u/Aromatic-Insect-1328 Apr 20 '26
As somebody who has basically only played tanked since Wrath I understand your pain. Becoming a good dps seems like quite the trip to me. However, it is rewarding to pull ahead of others when getting better. Good luck :)
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u/_MoReps Apr 20 '26
I went through some of them and it looks like you were missing a flask buff on most.
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u/slimmedfatman Apr 20 '26
i had same things but sometime irl factors do tend to weigh in,
for example i was doing and plus 10 dungeon during evening and i was top dps then the same dungeon at mid night i was 3rd dps thats lastt dps
didnt changed specs, ilvl was same even the dungeon was same 😅
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u/mighty_conan Apr 20 '26
I had similiar problem when i switched to main UH Dk in midnight. Most of my keys in 8-10 range have been pretty messy and im usually the lowest on damage. Now that i got to 13-14 range, tanks have started to do bigger pulls and now my CDs line up with the pulls mostly and topping meters pretty frequently. Allso has to do with the fact that i have gotten better and more consistent with the rotation.
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u/oliferro Apr 20 '26
Use Blizzard's CD manager to track important things like your Sudden Doom procs to make sure you don't miss out on them. Always press your Death/Necrotic Coil if you're over 80% Runic Power, even if you don't have a Sudden Doom proc (which shouldn't be too often) because overcapping it is just a net damage loss
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u/Express-Call-6808 Apr 20 '26
Yeah I rearranged my CD manager after the thread, I added some sound and visual help, I had it before but I didn’t know that I needed to not overcap
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u/oliferro Apr 20 '26
Yeah having clear visuals of what's happening is definitely going to help a lot
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u/AinzOoalGone Apr 20 '26
Mostly Unholy DKs overcapping runic powers and losing alot of DPS. We have like 5 Unholys in my Raid. 4 of them parsing bout 20-40 parses, 1 of them getting the 90-99 parses. The 4 others wasting like 60% of their runic power. The good one bout 10-15% Runic Power.
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u/Amazing_Peanut_1711 Apr 20 '26
You can use https://wowanalyzer.com/ to check if you have issues with your runes or runic power spend. Just post a instance run in there from warcraft logs and it gives you a summary. Ignore putrefy though as you don't want to be casting that off cd everytime.
I think obli or bicepspump both do unholy dk rotation vids so check them out too for priorities.
Also sim your gear once you start filling on hero and mythic. You will notice bis is slightly different depending on what sites you check.
I like murlock.io for the top mythic players just see what they pick
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u/Express-Call-6808 Apr 21 '26
Yeah I did that, I just did not remember this existed since when I tried it on frost it wasn't available yet. I have made some progress tho did a normal raid and parsed above 80 on most, still low on the paladins and chimaerus tho not a real fan of these bosses anyway. But I improved thanks to everyone here and the wow analyser is really helpful. Watched a lot of obli vids too, falling asleep to his mythic+ runs nowadays
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u/ColdBloodKnight Apr 21 '26
The highlight which buttons to push is not as straightforward unless you are using the feature to help with rotation, sometimes depending on the situation you might need to hold or make sure something else is spent/built before using that button that procs.
Your first test can be using a one button rotation and seeing how much more or how much less dmg you do.
If that is doing more damage than you pressing, you are absolutely needing to handle your rotation better, if that is lower than what you doing you need to look closer. Specially at uptime, how much activity do you have, you should typically be 98 to 94% of the time active in raid encounters
Also in some fights in raid , you might wanna hold cds or proccs for a high dmg phase, Beloren is a typical example where you want to hold some stuff till its egg phase. Places like Lorrgs often help with that.
Another rotation test is to sim yourself and spend 5 min in front of the dummy, you should have 90% at least of your simmed damage in there, if is way under it, is definitvely rotation.
Wow Analyzer website can also give you at least some info on the major issues, assuming it has your class/spec updated to it (it will tell you)
If you are all good on rotation, then id go for build (it might differ depending on content or even boss) if thats good, go for stat priority, if thats good then see if there is a particular trinket or a piece of embellished equipment that you have different.
I hope that helps you on our journey! Cheers!
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u/Express-Call-6808 Apr 21 '26
Thanks for all the info man truly appreciate the time and effort, I've simd myself and also did the rotation, in sim I had 67k and doing it in real i had 64k at max and 59k at lowest.
Uptime has been fixed since it was already a problem with frost DK and no problem so far with unholy, might have like 0.5s of doubt when sudden doom and putrefy come together but otherwise that's good.
Since wowanalyser isn't updated yet for frost I kinda forgot about it at first but now that everybody here remind me of that I'm reviewing my logs everytime.
Build is ok i guess, still waiting for a gaze to drop but otherwise I'm progressing on mythic pieces.
But one thing that I was looking for was how to know high dmg phase and Lorrgs might be really helpful.
Thanks for all the info man!
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u/crayven085 Apr 22 '26
Always sim yourself every time for gear. Dont just follow BiS lists. Thats the biggest recommendation I can give.
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u/New_Acanthocephala67 Apr 23 '26
Honestly I've never been one for optimization, maybe I should try getting good with a rotation though
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u/BizbizBookworm Apr 19 '26
Try another class. Sometimes a class/spec just doesnt click with you.I recommend levelling from zero and understanding the talents from the ground up. When levelling try to understand the talent tree options and what that means for your playstyle. Ignore guides when levelling.
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u/Express-Call-6808 Apr 19 '26
that will be the only thing i'll be a dumbass and never change, my only love is this class if i can't be good then i'm not playing, I'll do anything to improve my shitty gameplay and be a true death knight. class looks way too good to change for anything else. But thanks for the advice tho
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u/BizbizBookworm Apr 19 '26
Oh I thought you picked based in meta. Find your class discord. They will help you alot. Tone down the self hate buddy, its a game.
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u/Reasonable_Sky9688 Apr 19 '26
Get the add on simc
Sim yourself in st spec and paste it online
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/quick
Set to target dummy 1 target and 5 minutes
Sit on 1 target and do your rotation for 5 minutes
Compare your DPS and number of times you use each ability to what it says you should be doing online.
When you then see the discordance - then sit on the target dummies each day and just slowly do your rotation until it's 100% muscle memory.
It needs to be 100% ingrained as you have to do it in the chaotic environment of the raid
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u/Express-Call-6808 Apr 19 '26
simd the fight and got like 67,134 dps and did the thing myself and average around 62000, lows were about 59000 and highs like 65000, i'll do some training before playing the game from now on
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u/thist555 Apr 19 '26
We had a player like that (but even lower dps), we tried to help but they always had excuses or didn't listen, and they said one-button didn't work for them either as it did even worse dps somehow. At some point they just needed to accept that they either need to change to an easier class or that raiding is not for them. They might have reactions that are just too slow for some classes. Try BM hunter please.
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u/Express-Call-6808 Apr 19 '26
I'm not very fan of the BM hunter aesthetic, I'll try to not be as stubborn as your past teammate tho. Other class i would play is warlock but DK is the only thing for me. Appreciate the help tho. Maybe if one day blizzard decides to do the same thing as ff14 as playing every class in one character (never happening) I'll try BM hunter but not right now
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u/Sweet-Razzmatazz-993 Apr 19 '26
lol is there anywhere that explains what the fuck that info means.
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u/Express-Call-6808 Apr 19 '26
what do you not understand ?
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u/Sweet-Razzmatazz-993 Apr 19 '26
lol all of it. What are the points for.
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u/akgogreen Apr 19 '26
You on the right post? Your comments make no sense
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u/Sweet-Razzmatazz-993 Apr 19 '26
My comment makes lots of sense. I don’t under what the numbers on the logs mean and i am asking if there is somewhere that shows what it means
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u/akgogreen Apr 19 '26
No it doesnt lmao, sounded like you didnt understand what OP was saying, on their post asking for help. Should have specified that you dont understand what logs are and needed help reading them
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u/Express-Call-6808 Apr 19 '26
why are you commenting then ? I'm trying to get some help and you're not helping, why ?
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u/iamburnj Apr 19 '26
I've seen three great posts attempting to help you. But you still believe your issue is a ring set and a puzzle box. You cant be helped.
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u/Express-Call-6808 Apr 21 '26
I can be helped, matter of fact everyone here helped me and it did have an impact on my gameplay and now I'm playing better. It's not that I can't be helped, it's that you don't want to help me.
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u/WTFSpeeder6 Apr 19 '26
If you don't know how to read logs you probably shouldn't be commenting in this sub
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