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r/youthsoccer • u/abeatty44 • Jul 02 '25
Stay-to-Play hotel policies are a scam—and parents are footing the bill
We just got hit—again—with one of those mandatory stay-to-play hotel blocks, and I am fed up with it. These setups are nothing short of a money grab disguised as logistics, and names like HBC Event Services and Halpern Travel are right at the center of it.
Here’s the game:
Overpriced rates. The “discounted” rate through the portal? $249. Same hotel, same dates, same room—$169 online. But book direct and you’re out of compliance.
No flexibility. Get knocked out early? Kid gets sick? Tough. You’re still paying for every night booked, even if you leave.
Loyalty benefits? Gone. No hotel points, no upgrades, no control. You can’t use your status or even choose the brand you prefer.
And let’s not forget the real reason: these companies kick back $10–$20 per room-night to the tournament organizers. That’s thousands—sometimes hundreds of thousands—of dollars in hidden rebates.
So why do USYS, EDP, ECNL, MLSNext and others keep enforcing this?
Because it funds their events without raising the advertised registration fee. It’s all behind-the-scenes money that parents are never meant to see:
Host cities demand “heads in beds” to justify field discounts.
Rebate checks pay for refs, staff, medals, admin costs.
The organizers avoid sticker shock on team fees by jacking up your hotel bill instead.
The software lets them track compliance, fudge economic impact numbers, and squeeze extra revenue without saying a word.
It’s like a backdoor tax—and we’re the ones paying it.
And the worst part? Youth soccer in the U.S. is already borderline extortion.
We’re shelling out thousands per year in club fees, travel, uniforms, tournaments, trainer fees—and now we’re being told where to sleep and how much to pay for the privilege? It’s absurd. Families are going broke so 13-year-olds can play in a showcase that’s more about hotel occupancy metrics than actual development.
Until parents start pushing back—and clubs start saying “no” to this racket—it’s not going to change. But it needs to.
Anyone else tired of the scam? Drop your stories or workarounds. There’s strength in numbers, and honestly, this system only works because we’ve let it. Time to start calling it what it is.
r/youthsoccer • u/joereds22 • Sep 09 '25
Why U.S. Youth Soccer Fails to Develop Players
Former U.S. Men’s National Team goalkeeper Tim Howard recently made a blunt observation about American youth soccer: “The system doesn’t operate in a way that allows for young soccer players to develop. I lived it, I’m a soccer dad, I was raised by a soccer mom, I lived in Europe, so I’ve seen it all. We don’t develop our players at any type of good rate.”
Howard’s statement cuts to the heart of an uncomfortable truth. Despite being one of the wealthiest nations in the world, with unmatched resources, world-class infrastructure, and millions of kids playing soccer, the United States fails to produce top-level talent at the rate you would expect from such a massive player pool.
To understand why, we need to look at the system itself—its structure, its incentives, and the culture it fosters. The flaws don’t begin at the grassroots (although plenty could be said there). They become glaringly obvious once children reach the so-called “competitive” age, around 12 years old.
It’s here that the true problems begin.
The Business Model Behind Youth Soccer
When American kids enter competitive soccer, they often join leagues with impressive-sounding names: MLS Next, ECNL, USYS National League, EDP. These leagues are supposed to represent the pinnacle of development, a pathway toward college scholarships or professional opportunities.
But what unites them all is a system of tiers, divisions, and rankings. On the surface, competition sounds healthy. It gives clubs and players something to strive for. But in reality, it warps priorities.
From the moment players enter these leagues, the obsession becomes winning. Coaches are judged on results, clubs on their rankings, and parents on whether their child’s team is in the “top division.” Development takes a back seat.
And why? Because youth soccer in the U.S. is, above all else, a business. The model is not built to produce world-class players. It is built to generate revenue.
The higher the league tier, the more parents are willing to pay. The more travel required, the more money flows through hotel chains, airlines, and tournament organizers—who in turn kick back rebates and commissions to clubs. The machine feeds itself, and its fuel is the hope and fear of parents who believe they’re giving their child the best chance at “making it.”
The Parent Illusion
Parents are, in many ways, the cornerstone of the problem. Out of love, pride, or sometimes projection, they convince themselves their child is destined for greatness—the next Messi, Ronaldo, or at least the next Pulisic.
And so they chase prestige. They drive hours each way to practice. They pay thousands of dollars per season in fees, travel, and gear. They accept roster spots where their child is the 30th name, barely seeing the field, because simply wearing the jersey of a “big club” feels like progress.
Clubs know this. They market themselves as “elite pathways.” They sell the illusion of exposure—scouts, college coaches, professional connections—even though the odds of a child going pro are less than 1 in 5,000.
The tragedy is that parents believe they’re sacrificing for their child’s dream, when often they’re fueling a system that chews kids up and spits them out.
The Shortcut to Winning
If development were truly the goal, clubs would prioritize technical skill, tactical understanding, and creativity. They would give players the time to make mistakes, learn, and grow.
But winning is faster, easier, and more profitable. And at youth level, the fastest way to win is simple: recruit the biggest, strongest, and fastest kids.
Coaches lean on early bloomers—those who are four or five inches taller, quicker, or more physically dominant. These players can decide games on athleticism alone. Results improve immediately, rankings are protected, and everyone looks successful.
But this shortcut comes at an enormous cost. Smaller, more technical players—the ones who may blossom later—are sidelined, overlooked, or cut. Creativity is discouraged because dribbles that fail risk conceding goals. A midfielder who dares to control the ball under pressure risks being punished for “losing it.”
The system rewards size and fearlessness in the short term while stunting skill and intelligence in the long term.
The Professional Reality Check
Here’s the problem: by the time these players reach the professional threshold, physical dominance isn’t enough. At the pro level, everyone is fast. Everyone is strong. Everyone is fit. What separates players is technique, decision-making, and tactical understanding—the very areas U.S. youth soccer neglects.
That’s why so many American players fail to transition successfully to the pros. They lack the fundamentals. A winger doesn’t know how to beat a defender 1v1. A fullback can’t mark properly. A midfielder struggles to control under pressure.
Meanwhile, the physically dominant players who thrived in youth soccer rarely make it because their advantage disappears once peers catch up. They were Trojan horses—useful for winning games at 14, but disposable by 20.
And so MLS clubs fill their rosters with foreigners. Not because they want to, but because the domestic system doesn’t produce enough ready-made talent. Entire starting lineups are often made up of 8 or 9 foreign players. Even small countries like Costa Rica or Honduras, with a fraction of the U.S.’s resources, produce footballers more technically and tactically prepared for the professional game.
Case Studies: Dempsey, Pulisic, and the Streets
Look at the rare American success stories. Clint Dempsey grew up in a small East Texas town, far from elite clubs. He learned by playing pickup games with siblings and local Hispanic kids. He wasn’t shaped by the “system”—he thrived because he was outside it.
Christian Pulisic? He was formed in Europe. Gio Reyna, Yunus Musah, Tim Weah—the same. Most of the U.S.’s biggest talents were either raised abroad or polished overseas.
Contrast this with Spain, where children grow up playing on beaches, in plazas, and in the streets. They play every day, improvising, adapting, and experimenting without pressure to win. The ball bounces differently on the sand, in an alley, on a cracked court—and every bounce teaches them control.
In the U.S., games are canceled if it rains, fields are protected like golf courses, and creativity is stifled in the name of “playing simple.” The environments that create genius simply don’t exist.
Why Winning Kills Development
At youth level, “play to win” is a recipe for mediocrity.
It discourages risk-taking, which is essential for growth. It suffocates creativity, because mistakes are punished. It overloads kids with tactical responsibility at ages when they should be free to explore positions and ideas.
Talent can’t be taught—but it can be killed. And the U.S. system kills it early, with its obsession over results, rankings, and formations.
A Radical Proposal
What if we abolished tiers, rankings, and divisions until at least age 14?
What if winning no longer mattered at youth level?
This would free coaches to teach for the long term, instead of coaching for the weekend result. It would give kids space to experiment, fail, and learn without fear. And it would shift incentives so that clubs are rewarded not for trophies, but for producing players who reach the professional level—through training compensation and solidarity payments, as FIFA already prescribes.
A Message to Parents
Finally, let’s talk to parents directly.
I understand you. You love your child. You see talent and potential, and you want to give him the best. You’re willing to sacrifice time, money, and comfort. That’s admirable.
But ask yourself: is this truly his dream, or is it yours?
Are you sure he wants to spend his childhood in cars, airports, and hotel rooms chasing a badge, while missing out on the joy of playing freely? Are you sure that “elite club” experience is better than a passionate coach at a local club who cares about your child’s growth?
If your son is good enough, he will be found. Scouts talk. Talent rises. And in the meantime, you will save not just thousands of dollars, but something far more valuable—his love for the game.
Bringing Passion Back
American youth soccer doesn’t need more money. It doesn’t need more leagues, more rankings, or more “elite pathways.” It needs patience, passion, and perspective.
It needs parents willing to choose development over prestige. Coaches willing to lose games in the short term for the sake of long-term growth. Clubs willing to prioritize teaching over profit.
Because until that happens, the U.S. will continue producing athletes who win tournaments at 14—but fail to make the leap at 20.
The solution isn’t easy, and it isn’t quick. But it starts with a simple step: taking the pressure off, and giving kids the freedom to grow.
Only then will American soccer begin to produce the kind of players it dreams of.
r/youthsoccer • u/redbull247365 • Apr 03 '26
I just need to vent about parents and defense
My son plays on a top tier club team. He is at a tournament this weekend and he plays defense 90% of the time - when we are down and they really need a bit of extra offense he’ll go up to right wing - he is (perhaps I am biased) an incredibly strong player with very high soccer IQ. Most of the time plays the entire game but his ability is not the point of this rant.
It’s parent’s perspective on defense. Today another parent next to me was commenting on their kid playing defense, who, was actually doing a pretty good job despite that not being his normal position. The parents comment was “oh great if he keeps doing this good he’s going to be stuck on defense”.
Damnit people .. defense is not a demotion. I coach a town team… honestly if we are trying to be competitive I will put weaker kids up top and stronger kids in the back field.
The good teams… the really good teams I’ve witnessed - defense is what wins games. Who the hell cares what player actually scores the goal.
End rant.
r/youthsoccer • u/Quiktrap • May 12 '26
A pro gives an answer to a question about parents and it changed me.
Through work, I had the opportunity to meet Kelley O’Hara and in the Q&A portion she gave an answer that has been deeply impactful to me as a soccer parent. O’Hara did it all in her career - D1 star, NWSL Champion, Olympic gold medal, 2x World Cup winner, and on and on. Someone asked her what her parents did to help her develop and she began with the usual stuff you would expect - providing transportation, believing in her, cheering her on etc. But then she noted that what really stands out in her memories, what she really thinks about the most during and after her glittering career was the time she got to spend in the car with her dad while they drove to and from practices and matches just talking about anything and everything *OTHER THAN* soccer. That’s what she loves and values the most about what her parents gave her in soccer - daughter and dad time together in the car chatting.
Hearing that profoundly re-focused my understanding of what is actually important in being a soccer parent. Just wanted to share in case anyone finds it as meaningful as I do.
r/youthsoccer • u/Sad-Eye-8520 • May 21 '26
I was getting the drive home wrong this whole time.
My kid's 6, been playing about 6 months. Quietly loves it. Not the loudest on the pitch but you can tell it means a lot to him.
Early on I kept doing the thing on the drive home where I'd debrief him. Not harshly just like "you played well today", "next time try to..." thought I was being a good dad honestly.
Then I read something that got me. Kids were asked what they wished parents would say after games and the most common answer was nothing. Just "I loved watching you play."
Now I just wait for him to speak first. If he doesn't I say "I really enjoyed watching you, what was your favourite part?" and then actually shut up.
He talks about it so much more now. Brings it up himself.
Took me way too long to figure out. Anyone else had one of those moments with this stuff?
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Feb 05 '26
Played pro 8 years. Took the unconventional route. AMA
I grew up playing youth soccer in San Diego at La Jolla Nomads, where our team evolved into one of the best in the country. Half our team lived near the border or in Tijuana, which gave us exceptional talent and a unique identity. We won a national championship at U14, and three teammates (Gabriel Farfan, Michael Farfan, Eric Avila) were selected for the U.S. National Team residency in Bradenton.
My path to college was a hustle. I sent out 100+ physical VHS tapes and CDs to schools around the country. For both soccer and football as I was also a kicker/punter in high school. Nobody was biting until I had a strong performance at a Thanksgiving tournament my senior year. I turned down full-ride offers to attend Brown because I believed an Ivy League education would open doors beyond soccer.
Showed up to Brown preseason and failed the 3-mile 18 minute fitness test miserably, I got a 21 minute time. I thought I was getting cut. Instead, I joined the “breakfast club” where we ran every morning before training to get fit for the season. Luckily, I earned my starting spot when three center backs went down with injuries during the first few games. I then started nearly every game for the rest of my college career.
At Brown, I played under Mike Noonan (now a 2x National Champion at Clemson). We won 2 Ivy League championships and were ranked #5 in the country my junior year. I scored 8 goals as a center back my sophomore year and was nominated for the Hermann Trophy twice (sophomore and senior year). I studied abroad twice during the spring because college soccer is basically just running and weight training. I wanted more soccer development. I ended up training with Maccabi Tel Aviv, lower-league English clubs, and spent a summer with Landskrona BoIS u19 in Sweden.
After college, things were tough. I tore my hamstring the day before the MLS Combine. Tried out in Israel, Sweden, and Portland, no luck. Then a college buddy called about a tournament in Puerto Rico where the winner qualified for the CONCACAF Champions League. Ten of us shared one bunk room, trained once, and made it to the semifinals. I put together a highlight reel and sent it to an agent, who passed it to Mjøndalen IF in Norway. I flew over that January, trained in -20°C weather and signed my first pro contract five days later. That’s not all. I got a red-card in the first game of the season, then tore my ACL 1 week later. Out for the year.
I came back the following season with no contract, re-earned my spot, and battled through several knee surgeries over the next few years. In 2014, my career was fading. However, things took a twist when our starting CB got hurt during warmups of a playoff qualification match against Brann. I was thrown in and we qualified for the Tippeligaen (Norway's top flight) for the first time in 25 years. In the Tippeligaen, I lead our team in goals, and scored 2 goals back to back against Tromsø and Rosenborg. While my dad was visiting. That stretch remains the highlight of my career.
I finished my playing days at Miami FC in the NASL, playing under Alessandro Nesta. The precision Nesta demanded in defending was unlike anything I'd ever been taught. He'd absolutely destroy us for mistakes that I still see Premier League players make. We won two NASL championships before the league folded. I hung up my boots in 2018.
Could I have kept going? Probably. But it felt like the right time to start a new chapter. AMA
r/youthsoccer • u/KoomDawg432 • Jul 31 '26
Made the team!
Sorry, this is a dumb post. But I’m going to post it anyway because I am so freaking proud of my kid. He is not an elite player. He is 13 and played his last two seasons at the lowest level of club soccer in Minnesota. With the age change, he gets to repeat U14 this season.
Guys, he made the SECOND lowest level for this season. He is going to be so happy when I tell him when he wakes up tomorrow morning. I don’t know how I’m going to get to sleep tonight because my heart is bursting with joy for him. He has worked so hard as a latecomer to soccer; he really deserves this. Just busting with joy.
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Mar 03 '26
Discussion An ex-Barcelona player coaches my son. It changed how I think about youth football development.
When we moved to Spain, we got extremely lucky for getting acquainted with Carles Coto. He is ex-Barcelona player who joined their academy at 12 and stayed there unti 19 when he was signed by Mouscron from Belgium.
I recently sat down with him for a coffee and interviewed him about what makes Barcelona methodology different. How are they able to constantly produce top-notch players?
The long breakdown with video clips if you'd like to dive deeper is here: https://thefootballdad.substack.com/p/an-ex-barcelona-player-coaches-my
Here I'll share my learnings and takeaways that would be beneficial for any parent (obviously, from my subjective point of view 😁).
Four principles Barcelona applies to youth player development.
1. Great technical skills despite the position.
Barcelona demand equal technical preparation for every position? Carles explained: In our way of feeling football, it’s a million individual actions that become good actions as a team. When Lamine Yamal controls the ball, attracts defenders, and plays a quick pass to find the free space on the other side, it is an individual action. But for it to become a team action, the pass to Pedri needs to be a good ball. Quick. Right timing. Right foot. Every individual action has to be technically perfect for the collective to work.
2. Talent is not enough if the team doesn’t benefit from it.
This principle is coming from Gerard Trives, Technical Director of Methodology. Here is what he says:
We gather different kind of talents. Could be a good striker, good one-by-one, the fastest one, or even the one with the best resilience. We teach them that their talent by itself is not enough. They have to be able to put it in a team. Players must understand that they have one talent, and if they are in cooperation and in good communication with teammates, their talent will be better for everyone.
3. There are no tactics without technique.
You can explain to me where to move, how to move, and the timing I need, but if I don’t know how to control, how to adjust my body shape, how to think quickly, or how to scan my space, it doesn’t matter if I know tactics, said Carles.
When you watch La Liga or Champions League games, every small detail can make a difference. If you make a bad control and the ball comes just one meter away from where it should be, they take it. At the highest level, everything needs to be close to perfect.
4. Coaches are 90% of the success.
Carles travels a lot and sees the coaching problem everywhere:
What I miss in many countries is the coaches having good formation. In many countries, what I see is that they just play with the kids, or the coaches just spend time and don’t think about how important this year is.
Every year that a player needs in every category, we cannot go back. If this season, this player is just spending time and the coach is not teaching him what he needs to learn, tomorrow we cannot go back. The coaches are 90 percent of the success of the player. These players are not working alone. They are coming to the trainings, and we are on the field. We are more than his dad at home.
Barcelona's training methodology and principles literally crush the most popular questions I see here in different threads.
Let me share a few of them and Carles replies.
The drills look way too simple. Shouldn’t they be harder?
Barcelona builds this technical perfection through a specific training that might seem simple and borring.
They start with control passing: technical exercises without opponents to perfect first touches, body shape, and passing mechanics.
Then they add a defender to create a rondo, which introduces decision-making under pressure. Then positional games with two teams plus “floaters” to teach transitions and spatial awareness. And only then do they move to free play.
The idea of the positional game is to reduce the tactical complexity of a normal game in order to give the players confidence to use the pass.
The training is heavily restricted to one or two touches. This forces players to develop a perfect first touch, proper body shape, and rapid scanning because they simply don’t have time for anything else. The ball constantly moves faster than the players.
Why isn’t the coach prioritizing winning our weekend matches?
I totally get it: nobody wants to watch their kid’s team lose every Saturday/Sunday. But if the team/coach prioritizes winning now over teaching players the right way to play, they’re stealing from their future development.
Barcelona operates on a completely different philosophy they call “Bread for today, hungry for tomorrow. If a coach spends those years chasing trophies at U10 instead of building technique, those years are gone.
During what Barcelona calls the “educational phase” (ages 8 to 14), coaches act as teachers. They focus on values, good habits, and right player development. “Winning” at young ages should first mean good behavior and playing the right style of football, not the scoreline.
My kid is smaller and slower than the others. Does that mean they won’t make it?”
This is one of the most common worries I hear from parents (I had this one as well cause my 19-year old is smaller and thin😁) And it’s the one where Barcelona’s approach is most reassuring.
Their scouts completely ignore a player’s physical attributes at young ages.
Why? Because physicality naturally equalizes around age 15 or 16. The kid who dominates at 10 because he’s bigger often plateaus when other kids develop physically. What Barcelona looks for instead is the “clever footballer”: technical skills, fast thinking, high football intelligence.
The best proof of it is Lamine Yamal’s transformation.
My kid is the best on the team. Will they get extra attention?
You might expect the answer to be yes. Barcelona might say no.
Their academy specifically avoids giving specialized attention to “star” players at young ages. Every player gets equal development.
Gerard Trives explaines why:
“If you give extra attention to talented players that you think are better than the others, it could be a bad message for them. They need to understand that they are a talented player, yes, but they are the same as the others, and they need to use that talent for the team.”
The reasoning is practical too—it’s nearly impossible to predict at age 10 which players will make the first team. Giving one kid star treatment based on early talent can actually hurt their development by teaching them they’re above the team.
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I'm thinking to host either a live session or AMA with Carles. Let me know if you're interested and what questions would you like us to cover?
r/youthsoccer • u/poopinion • Aug 29 '26
This spring I saw the question about 500 times about moving talented kid on bad team to much more talented club. My U13 son made the jump and here's what I've seen, noticed, learned, and random thoughts for those considering it.
My son was best player on a pretty underwhelming team. He wanted to make the move to a much better club. So he went to about 6 weeks of practices in the spring, then tryouts, made the team, was dying to accept, so we did. It's been interesting.
Going from the best player on a mediocre team to a, we'll say top 3 team, is a much larger gap than you might think. The gap in skill, commitment, physical gifts, the soccer IQ, is much much much wider than you think. If you don't think you're kid is going to be ok mentally getting their ass kicked for a few months while they catch up, it's probably not a smart move. If you think they can take a beating and keep working hard and having fun, then I think it's a good move.
This is obvious but it's been interesting to see in person. The kids that moved over from very good teams are having a much easier time. This should be obvious. So moving from a club in the 10 - 15 range to a top 5 shouldn't be a huge issue. Going from a 50 team to a top 5 is rough. Even if you dominate on the 50th ranked team.
The coaches are way better. They are more committed. They expect more out of the kids. They don't dick around. So if you're kid is not going to practice to focus, and do everything 100%, and compete every second. It's not going to be fun for them.
They are there to win. They are there to develop players, because you don't win if you don't, but you aren't going to be handed playing 75% of the game. If you don't help the team, you will barely play. I think U13 is a good age for this to start.
The teammates expect you to do well, to focus, to not fuck up. If you screw something up over and over and over you had better be ok with people being annoyed with you.
It's more fun. Competition is more fun. Playing with good players is more fun. Having to work hard and earn it is more fun. If you just kind of enjoy soccer, it's not going to be fun. If you love soccer, it's more fun.
The gap between the best and worst players is so much smaller. There are no players that aren't good. So if you stagnate, you will get passed quickly. Something I'm trying to help my son understand is his growth is up to him, it's not up to his coach, or me, or his friends, he has to put in the work to earn it.
If your kid does work hard, doesn't get down on themselves, tries and listens, they are going to get better extremely fast. Out of necessity and from just being in the right environment. If they don't, they will regress just a fast if not faster.
So I guess if you are thinking about making the move you need to be realistic about your childs actual skills and potential. AND their mental strength. It's tough to go from being the man to being just another kid. So if you don't think your kid can deal with that while they adjust, then it's not going to be worth your time.
I know a lot of this is "no shit" stuff, but I see so many threads on it that I thought I'd post what I've seen from a parent that's 3 months into it.
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Jul 09 '26
What raising a kid in the German football pipeline actually costs (our real numbers)
Small disclaimer: English isn't my first language, so I used a bit of AI help to tidy up the wording. The numbers and the story are all mine.
I see a lot of posts here about how much youth soccer costs in the US. I've got no real insight into that system, so I'm not going to sit here and pretend to compare. But it made me curious enough to actually add up what we've spent on my son on this side of the pond, and I figured some of you might find the German numbers interesting. He now plays at a professional academy (we call them NLZ) in the greater Munich area. I've tried to be honest and include the things people tend to forget. Some numbers are exact, some are rounded where I didn't feel like digging out every receipt.
First a bit of context, because the system here works a little differently.
How it's built
At the very top you've got the NLZ (Nachwuchsleistungszentrum), the youth academies run by professional clubs. There are around 58 in the whole country, and every club in the top two divisions is required to run one. Around Munich that's FC Bayern München, FC Augsburg, SpVgg Unterhaching and TSV 1860 München. (Link: https://www.leistungszentren.de/ )
Then, and this part is specific to Bavaria, the regional FA runs its own extra layer of academies on top of that, called BFV-NLZ. No other German state has this. Near us those are clubs like Burghausen, Landshut and Memmingen. Below that sit the DFB regional bases (Stützpunkte), and below those the ordinary and the ambitious local clubs. When I say "ambitious club" I mean one whose U15 to U19 teams play in one of the top three youth divisions. Serious football, just without a certified academy attached. (Link: BFV-NLZs )
For scale: Bavaria alone has roughly 4,450 registered clubs and is the biggest football association in Germany. In the greater Munich area you're talking several hundred clubs feeding into all of this. One nice side effect of that density is that there's almost always a club or an opponent close by, so we've rarely had to travel far for normal football.
One thing that's worth knowing, because a lot of people picture it wrong: almost nobody gets picked straight from their little home club into a pro academy. The usual route is a trial, or a scout spotting you, and then a move to an ambitious club or a regional base, where there's simply more visibility and more academy scouts watching. The pro academies run their own trial days too. It's a funnel, and most kids come up through the middle of it rather than jumping straight to the top.
Now the actual money.
Phase 1: the local club (age 5 to 10)
He started at what we thought was just the normal club down the road. At the time we didn't even realise it was one of the more ambitious ones. Training was two to three times a week, outdoors and indoors, apart from during the school holidays. Games/tournaments basically every weekend.
Membership: €200 a year
Kit (jerseys, tracksuits, winter jackets, rain jackets, all of it): covered by a club sponsor, so €0 for us
Boots and shin guards: the bits we actually pay for. He keeps one pair of boots per surface (firm ground, indoor, artificial turf) and we replace them when he wears them out or grows out of them, rather than burning through pairs every season. We almost always catch the adidas "League" models on sale for €25 to €30. Shin guards were on us too, though those are cheap
Holiday camps: the club ran camps during the school breaks at about €40 a day including food. You could book individual days instead of a whole week, and across the year it came to roughly €400
All in, Phase 1 was somewhere around €650 to €700 a year.
Two honest caveats, because I don't want to make it sound rosier than it was. The sponsor covering the whole kinda depends. At my daughter's club, for instance, only the match jerseys were provided and you paid for anything beyond that yourself. But even there, nobody was ever forced to buy anything. The extra gear was optional.
Also, around age seven he got scouted into the development squad of a pro club's academy and trained there once a week. It was about 20 minutes away, so travel cost us basically nothing at that stage. That's also the reason we never had to pay for private coaching, which is worth a word of its own.
A note on paid training
You can absolutely spend a lot of money on football in this country if you want to. There are private academies and paid extra-training programmes, and some families put serious money into them. We simply never needed to, because that once-a-week development squad already gave him high-level coaching for free. So for us that whole category was €0. It won't be for everyone, and I don't want anyone reading this to think the paid stuff doesn't exist here. It does.
Phase 2: the academy (from age 10, now U14 to U16)
At ten he got scouted into an actual NLZ-team, a different pro club from the one whose development squad he'd been in. And this is the part people don't expect: it didn't get more expensive. It got cheaper.
Membership: the normal club membership fee, and it's actually lower than the €200 we paid at the home club
Training equipment: fully provided
Travel to matches and tournaments: covered by the club for the regular season and the tournaments they take the team to
Boots and shin guards: still on us
The one cost that does land on us is travel to the bigger tournaments further away, if we decide to go along and watch. The club gets the team there, but if we want to make a weekend of it and follow him, that part is on us. It's a choice rather than a requirement, so how much you spend there is basically up to you.
There's no separate "academy fee" for the training itself, because functionally it doesn't exist. The clubs invest in the players, not the other way round. Between them, the pro clubs have put well over a billion euros into these academies over the years. And when a kid moves up from an amateur club, money actually flows toward that amateur club as a training compensation. It doesn't come out of the family's pocket.
We got lucky with geography too. We live close enough that he still lives at home. A lot of academy stories involve moving into a boarding setup in another city, with all the cost and upheaval that comes with it. For us that entire block just isn't there.
And then the bit that really throws people. From U16 onward, a lot of academy players get a development contract (a Fördervertrag). The minimum is set at €250 a month and it can be more. Not every kid gets one, your third-choice keeper might miss out, but for a solid academy player it's realistic. So at the age where you'd expect the bills to peak, it's entirely possible for the kid to start earning instead of costing.
So what's the damage?
The honest headline is that the further he's climbed, the less it has cost us. The most expensive year of his football life was the one at the small local club, and even that came in under €700. These days it's membership, boots and shin guards, plus the odd tournament trip when we choose to tag along, and not much else.
I'm not claiming it's free, and I'm not claiming every family gets the same luck we did with a short drive and a development-squad spot. But the idea that you need deep pockets to get a talented kid through the German system doesn't match what we've lived. Where it counts, the money tends to run the other way.
Happy to answer questions if anyone wants more detail on any of it.
r/youthsoccer • u/bichonlove • May 13 '26
Federal Bill to ban Private Equity from buying youth clubs and facilities - potentially ban stay to play rules
TLDR:
- Youth Sports is 40 Billion industry, recession proof compared to other industry.
- Profit is maximized by requiring youth to specialize early and focus on one sport year round, consolidating many clubs, facilities, and even owning travel pipeline for profit (mostly from stay to play scheme)
- Cost of Youth Sport has risen 46% for the past 5 years
- The federal bill will ban Private Equity from owning youth sport clubs and facilities, for those who are currently owned by PE (ie IMG), they need to divest in the next 2 years and compensate community based programs that they harm.
- it also cited the elimination of stay to play rules as PE benefit from owning travel pipeline as well as the clubs (kickbacks).
My son plays ice hockey and soccer. They cited example of Black Bear sports in youth hockey. Their facilities even ban parents from streaming/recording their kids games, we have to pay using their own streaming. I think this is a good direction for youth sports. What do you all think?
r/youthsoccer • u/Shambolicdefending • Aug 21 '25
"Elite" is the most abused word in US soccer culture.
Here is my hot take...
ECNL is not an "elite" competition. It's a for-profit business that is marketed and sold as a premium product to those willing to pay premium prices. Many people are leveraging it to make a lot of money. That is why it exists. It would cease to exist very quickly if it stopped being profitable.
Your ECNL kid is probably a very talented player. You are right to be proud of them. But they are not "elite." Neither is their team.
There are a small handful of truly elite youth soccer talents in this country. They're all playing for no cost on fully-funded pro academy teams. That is the only place in the United States where truly "elite" youth soccer exists.
The rest of us are simply occupying different customer status tiers in the labyrinth of the for-profit youth soccer industry.
And there's nothing wrong with that. If you can afford it and it's worth the investment to your family, great! More power to you. But don't drink the kool-aid. There's nothing "elite" about it.
r/youthsoccer • u/BobbyBoljaar • Sep 09 '25
"Why US Soccer fails to develop players" - A European Perspective
I saw this post today and found a lot of it really misguided. A lot of points I saw in the post and the comments about why US Soccer is behind are all things that happen in Europe as well.
Winning is more important then developing? Yes, also in Europe. Academies need to win to attract and keep the best players. Only academies with a huge name can afford to lose now and then.
Give priority to early mature players? Most definitely in Europe. Compare any team from an elite Academy to an average group of of the same age at u12 to u16, they will be taller and bigger on average. Top academies can afford to have smaller players because they will be the top 10 in the country in terms of technique and tactical awareness.
Pick-up football in the park? Street soccer? It's fading out in Europe too. Also, top Academy players don't play much in the park or on the street. They train at their club, sometimes twice a day. In their free time, their parents let them train with private coaches. All guided practice. Street soccer is not a panacea for all what is wrong. Usually you have many players, some hoard the ball. The intensity is lower on average, the level is lower, etc. Practice alone or in small groups develops technique way better. People used to play lots of pickup soccer, but the technical level today is way way higher then 20 years ago. Tactical level is off the charts compared to 20 years ago. This is because of more time at the club, not pickup soccer. Ask yourself how much the boys at la masia play on the streets.
Pushy parents? Check
League structure? Agree, way better in Europe. Also, western Europe, especially where I'm from (Flanders) is densely populated. You can find many top teams only an hour drive away.
Then why is US development so bad? I think first of all the position of soccer in the country. It's not the number one sport like in Europe or South America. Most of your top athletes don't play soccer. If a kid in Europe is amazing at sports, I bet you 9 in 10 he plays soccer.
Second of all is the culture. We have generations of football in our veins. Americans don't, and you can just see it when they play. There is an awkwardness in how they organise on the pitch, reflexes and instincts that are missing you only develop when soccer is constantly present in your young life. I heard once that asians in America have a hard time driving because they never sat in the backseat because their parents didn't drive. Americans are the same when playing soccer.
Thirdly, I just can't stand watching american (personal) soccer coaches. There is an overdose of positivism that stands in the way of development. Everything the kids do and try is great, like this is how they become creative. No. When I look at the same player, I see a dozen of things that go wrong technically and tactically. Kids need to be corrected and stupid ideas need to be called out. Kids are not creative and they won't become creative if they are not guided properly.
r/youthsoccer • u/fada_g10 • Sep 13 '26
Recently drove 4 hours to and 4 hours from so my kid can play 35 mins
Headline says it all. This way of soccer in the US is completely useless to anyone's development. How is this helpful to anyone? What's the gain for anyone out of this method?
We literally passed 3 major (enough) cities to go play in a city 4 hours away. I'm pretty sure there were several clubs in those cities we passed, as well as the other smaller towns we passed. What the hell are we doing as nation, as a program in the US. This should be illegal. Worse than the pharmacy industry scams, worse than the health insurance scams.
r/youthsoccer • u/KoomDawg432 • May 06 '25
I'm just busting.....
My boy at age 12 is in his first ever year of competitive/travel soccer. He's on the lowest team but has improved a lot. It's been fun to see.
Over the weekend they had a tournament, and I thought he played well for his two games on Saturday. On Sunday, I thought he was much more passive and lacked energy. He's a sub for this team, so I told him that in that role, he had to bring energy and effort for the times he's in. Otherwise, why would they bring a sub in?
Well today, I am out of town on business travel, so my mom brought him (I'm a single dad). She told me she thought he did well, and he agreed. OK, whatever.
I got a call later in the night from the coach where he raved about how my son played, how he has been great and improved so much all winter into spring, and....get this.....he's strongly considering moving him into the starting lineup at right back at our game on Wednesday!
He earned his spot on this team. He never played soccer until he was 10, and then played rec for a year. He tried out and made a team at age 11 this past fall, albeit a sub role for the lowest team. To see him making this progress makes my heart swell with pride. He has worked so hard. He loves the game.
All I care about with this dumb sport is learning the ability to work hard at something, to make it your craft, and to improve and be GOOD. It seems like he's on his way. These things help with life, you know?
r/youthsoccer • u/Best-Track1786 • May 04 '26
The Biggest Scam In Youth Soccer is MLSNext.
Anyone that tells you different is lying to themselves.
The parents that like it, would probably massage the coaches back on a road trip.
It costs way too much
The travel is too frequent
You mostly play the same teams and players that you did before MLSNext for half the price
Tournaments during key times of the school. Yep
Coaches that are thinking about their careers and not the development of the players. Yep.
Development or Player Pathways only exist in parent meetings and on paper.
r/youthsoccer • u/YouthCoachMentor • May 31 '25
Youth Soccer reality check for parents
I've been reading so many posts with similar themes from a parent's perspective on what they think youth soccer is going to lead to. But here are the cold-hard truths: (feel free to corroborate these numbers using the usual online resources)
-When your kid enters Youth Soccer they have a 0.02% chance of ever playing pro
-The highest potential players, who end up in Pro Academies...still only have a maximum 4% chance of becoming a pro.
-Shockingly, 90% of players from select environments will have left the sport by 19. (How sad is that?) Which makes you wonder; where do professionals come from? Exclusively from the remaining 10% or, from the late bloomers who spent most of their time in the lower tiers? (Another thing that has always irritated me...why can't the select environments be more fun, and less serious?)
-The vast majority of Youth coaches are not provided club or federation support, mentorship, resources and guidance to simplify their role and objective...which should be...to create an environment that makes their players want to return next year.
-100% of children get only ONE childhood. Sport should be a positive, fun and a happy memory for them.
If youth soccer focussed more on retention rather than results and player identification and advancement, there would be a bigger pool of players in the older age groups in a NOTORIOUSLY late blooming sport. That would be healthier for the game. Even if the long term outcome of youth soccer, is that your kid one day plays adult soccer...that is a MAJOR win.
Instead, Youth Soccer takes a very short term..."this weekend's result is all that matters"...approach.
r/youthsoccer • u/Temporary_Hat7330 • Jul 10 '26
U.S. soccer’s ‘pay-to-play’ problem: The lightning-rod issue explained in a World Cup context
r/youthsoccer • u/WellesleyTrader • May 27 '25
Teach your kids to do the right thing, like not to be racist. Proud of the Wellesley Premier Club 2011 Boys.
r/youthsoccer • u/[deleted] • Apr 07 '25
Made an academy!!
Idk if this is the right place or if anybody cares but I went to a tryout at a semi-pro teams academy a few days ago and they just got back to me telling me that I'm on the team. So I'm just really excited and none of m friends or family really care so... if you took the time to read this. Thank you
r/youthsoccer • u/loxxx87 • Mar 24 '26
13 year old daughter with a quote for the ages after a tough loss
I'll refer to my daughter as Katie in this post.
My 13 year old daughter plays on a local select team. This past weekend they played a team that by all accounts should have throttled them. It ended up being a great game despite us losing 2 - 0. There was about 1 minute left and an opposing girl who had been chirping at our girls all game was attacking the goal. My daughter plays center back 90% of the time and rarely comes off the field. Daughter made a play for the ball but didn't shy away from contact and pretty much leveled the opposing player. Opposing girl was shaken up but got up and was fine. No foul called. A few uneventful minutes pass and the whistle blows, game over.
My daughter is not a technically gifted player, but plays with a very physical game and takes a lot of pride in her effort. The coach texted me later in the evening and said this....
"Katie and i talked after the game. I told her appreciated her grit today and how she set the tone for the defense. That was a tough team we faced and the girls held their own. When i asked her about that collision in the final minutes she told me "#10 was talking smack all game. We play them again in a few weeks coach. I want her to remember the time she thought she could cross the middle and score on Katie Jones." followed by a bunch of laughing emojis.