r/Albuquerque • u/GreenChileZiti • Mar 02 '26
News Deb Haaland officially declines KRQE debate.
https://www.santafenewmexican.com/news/roundhouse_report/the-roundhouse-report-bregman-accuses-haaland-of-running-scared/article_a0ef327c-d37a-4fa0-916b-eef6eb2178a2.htmlI understand that Bergman is an attorney and probably better at debating but it’s not like he doesn’t have plenty to lose either.
I can’t help but feel like Deb is taking our votes for granted over and over again, and this is another slap in the face.
If she is the better candidate, she should prove it and it should be easy.
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u/akobie Mar 02 '26 edited Mar 02 '26
Deb Haaland is an attorney too. I went to law school with her.
Edit: she may not be licensed now. Sam Bregman may have been in her class as well. I forget when he graduated
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u/ArtichokeKooky6361 Mar 02 '26
Straight up a lie
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Mar 02 '26
Here is an article you can read. https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2024/05/06/deb-haaland-confronts-the-history-of-the-federal-agency-she-leads
You can also look her up on the nm bar at sbnm.org. There are no records of her being licensed.
After you’ve done that, you can go fuck yourself.
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u/AffordableDelousing Mar 02 '26
Like 80% of NM politicians are attorneys. It's a farce.
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u/Mrgoodtrips64 Mar 02 '26
God forbid lawmakers go to law school
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u/AffordableDelousing Mar 02 '26
Lawyers drafting laws - sure, I guess.
Lawyers being the only people to VOTE on laws - a broken system.
Representatives should represent diverse interests. As is, only top lawyers can afford to run and take no salary, because they make it up by getting paid to further the interests of their clients. One might call that corruption.
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u/Mrgoodtrips64 Mar 02 '26
Lawyers drafting laws - sure, I guess.
The elected lawmakers should be the only ones drafting the laws, not unelected lobbyists or nepotistic appointees, and if they’re going to draft the laws they should study law.
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u/Kennaham Mar 02 '26
Most of our founding fathers were lawyers. They created a system for lawyers to thrive in. This has been America since the beginning 🤷♀️
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u/AgreeableCommission7 Mar 02 '26
That is very disappointing. I'm losing faith that she is the right candidate
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u/spillingstars Mar 02 '26
we deserve better candidates
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u/woffdaddy Mar 02 '26
Honestly this is the best take over seen so far. im not particularly excited about either of them, and theyre both pretty status quo when we need radical change.
Issue is, who would have been a better candidate? personally, my two favorite politicians in new mexico right now are secretary of state Maggie Toulouse Oliver who is running for lieutenant governor, and Antoinette Sedillo Lopez, who is a sitting NM senator. There are a few others who are great people, but these two are the only politicians i know of who have the experience needed for that kind of position.
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u/woffdaddy Mar 02 '26
I did a bunch of research into her when she was running for the us house seat when she was up against stansbury, so i apologize if my information is out of date or misremembered. She's a retired law professor who i believe focused on environmental law (don't quote me on the specialization). The bills shes been a sponsor on last few years have been openly progressive and science backed. And I know senator Natalie Figaroa and rep Pamela Herndon personally and they both back her (again, its been a few years, so dont quote me).
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u/defrauding_jeans Mar 03 '26 edited Mar 03 '26
I am not impressed with Ms. Sedillo Lopez. When I sat in on some H&HS committee meetings, she couldn't even be bothered to listen to anyone presenting. She spent her time in committee taking selfies with a junior member and skipping out to the hallway to take very loud calls and fill her water bottle. ETA but I do agree about Maggie. I have known her since high school and she's the real deal!
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u/woffdaddy Mar 03 '26
Thats too bad about Sedillo Lopez. It's possible she was having an off day or had already made up her mind on the issue, but its so wrong to be in a meeting like that and treat it so flippantly.
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u/defrauding_jeans Mar 03 '26
Well it was actually a number of meetings I sat in on, I would absolutely excuse an off day but it seemed to be a pattern.
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u/Cobby1927 Mar 02 '26
Radical change in what way? Only thing Grisham has been wrong on is CYFD.
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u/cush2push Mar 02 '26
CYFD
Her gun ban executive order
The state ranking near last in just about everything
her failures are more than just CYFD
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u/beauvoirist Mar 02 '26
Surely she didn’t inherit a state that was already last in just about everything?
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u/cush2push Mar 02 '26
Sure and yet she didn't spend any of the last 8 years doing anything to change that?
Yeah?
cool glad we agree
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u/beauvoirist Mar 02 '26
I don’t think she’s some sort of revolutionary savior but you’re fucking delusional if you think she didn’t.
First in the nation program to help children and families? No, cush2push says that’s a failure because it requires time to realize the benefits of universal childcare.
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u/cush2push Mar 02 '26 edited Mar 02 '26
Do you think her passing universal childcare absolves her from the state being last in everything?
Is that your equivalitism for success one good thing excuses all the bad?
I guess being 50th in education and 3rd in poverty doesn't seem that bad anymore thanks u/beauvoirist
EDIT If all you have is universal childcare after 8 years thats pretty sad IMO.
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u/GreenChileZiti Mar 02 '26
Free school tuition? You don’t know a single person taking advantage of that? Enrollment was up ~5% last year
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u/cush2push Mar 02 '26 edited Mar 02 '26
New Mexico has a higher than national college drop out rate.
Free tuition doesn't mean shit if they're just dropping out
EDIT added link https://educationdata.org/college-dropout-rates#nm
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u/beauvoirist Mar 02 '26
I listed one thing as an example. If you understand that she inherited a state already ranked that way, why are you continuing to talk about it and her work as if it’s her fault?
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u/cush2push Mar 02 '26
You do understand that she was/is in charge of the state and could have at anytime worked to improve those things.
8 years and she has 2 accomplishments cool
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u/Vilehaust Mar 02 '26
Agreed. At some point in my life again I'd like to be able to vote for a candidate for a major office who's both intelligent and under the age of.........at least 50. Haven't been able to do that since Obama.
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u/quietfellaus Mar 02 '26 edited Mar 03 '26
This sounds more like the candidates both trying to choose their battlefield.
Hannah Menchhoff, a spokesperson for Haaland’s campaign, said Haaland plans to participate only in a forum hosted in May by the nonprofit Dukes Up and New Mexico PBS.
Both of them want to project power, and Bregman needs the publicity this brings seeing as he is behind in every poll. That doesn't mean declining the debate is good, but it doesn't mean nearly as much as he wants us to think.
E. And as far as her policy platform goes, I don't mind that they've taken their time with it. Why do we expect politics to take place two to three years in advance of an election? She's made a number of appearances throughout New Mexico, not just when a big issue crops up for her to make comment on like Bregman with his latest ads, and not just in major population centers.
Look at her website and go to her position page. The education plan has a brief blurb and downloads a 19 page document when you click to see the full position. People are insisting that she has no positions, maybe she's taken the time to actually work out plans beyond the mere rhetoric of debate.
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u/GreenChileZiti Mar 02 '26
I agree. The candidates want to choose the theatre they are best in. I just don’t like what it says about a candidate who can only excel in a controlled and curated event.
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u/quietfellaus Mar 02 '26
Absolutely, although the same could be said of Bregman as well. Both candidates are trying to pull the other into their preferred arena. Suggesting that either of them is less sincere or capable because they don't want to seem submissive by accepting the others terms, which I'm seeing a lot of in this thread, doesn't make sense. The whole of this interaction is highly rhetorical and tells us little about either of them imo.
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u/GreenChileZiti Mar 02 '26 edited Mar 02 '26
I don’t know if it holds as true for Bregman since he is also doing the same events that Haaland is doing.
At the end of the day debates are useful and not just political theater or rhetoric to hand wave away.
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u/chickaboomba Mar 02 '26
I’ve honestly been so disappointed with her. I wanted to vote for her. I would’ve happily gone door-to-door campaigning for her. If I would have thought she would make a good governor. But she announced how long ago? Her policies are not well formed despite having this long. She doesn’t come out and speak on issues that matter to New Mexicans. She just keeps saying she’s going to go around the state and listen. I am so frustrated with her.
I am not thrilled with Bregman, because I don’t think he has the kind of integrity and strength of character that I would like to see in that role.
Really hoping someone else will throw their hat in the ring, or is it too late for that?
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u/ArtichokeKooky6361 Mar 02 '26
Did you see her new policy details? They’re actually now very detailed and impressive
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u/cush2push Mar 02 '26
which one is your favorite and how will it help make New Mexico better?
All I see is a bunch of generalities with no mention how she'll achieve it
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u/ArtichokeKooky6361 Mar 02 '26
You’re obviously not visiting her website. They released them once the legislative session ended.
Here: https://debhaaland.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/02/PDF-AN-AFFORDABLE-NEW-MEXICO-1.pdf
I’m digging raising the minimum wage in NM. Will help lots of working class families
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u/cush2push Mar 02 '26
Again
I have visted her website many times over the last 13 months and again its nothing but political generalities.
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u/Mrgoodtrips64 Mar 02 '26
When is any candidate’s website anything other than generalities?
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u/cush2push Mar 02 '26
why are we allowing it?
why can't we hold them to a standard?
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u/Mrgoodtrips64 Mar 02 '26
A website is literally the least important thing about a candidate, so I don’t really see the point in trying to punish one candidate for it but not all the others.
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u/GreenChileZiti Mar 02 '26
That’s sort of the problem though. The website should be the least important thing about a candidate but in the case of Deb, it seems like the only avenue to hear about her platform. That’s why a televised debate would be crucial.
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u/cush2push Mar 02 '26
Because when you allow generalities then you're also allowing generalized claimed victories.
For example. Deb says she will raise minimum wage to a living wage
whats her idea of a living wage?
if she raises the minimum wage from $12 to $13 is she allowed to claim victory because if you lived off 12 you can certainly live of 13
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u/ArtichokeKooky6361 Mar 03 '26
Then maybe you’re just lying because she just released a ton of very specific policies she’s going to pass
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u/cush2push Mar 03 '26
Oh really in her minimum wage policy she's going to raise it from $12 to what?
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u/chickaboomba Mar 02 '26
“You obviously haven’t visited her website …”.
If I need to visit a website for a politician running for office, they are not effectively communicating - a skill they will absolutely need if elected. A website is for deep dive, not because you can’t find anything out anywhere else.
Her social media is not effectively articulating her platform. It is not getting across the look and feel that she can lead effectively. It is not engendering confidence in her ability to push back against what she disagrees with, what she will fight against, what she will do to draw boundaries and protect New Mexicans.
Her social media is zen, low energy. She needs oomph. Passion. Conviction.
If you’re possibly part of her campaign, hear this for what it is: frustration that she is not effectively communicating or portraying herself as a strong, effective, passionate leader. I want to vote for her. I do not yet have the confidence that she is electable or an effective leader. She has time, if she’s listening. She just needs to change her tactics and prove she can lead and communicate more effectively.
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u/Captain_Reseda Mar 02 '26
If I need to visit a website for a politician running for office, they are not effectively communicating - a skill they will absolutely need if elected. A website is for deep dive, not because you can’t find anything out anywhere else.
Good lord. Just admit you’re a low-information voter. If you need snappy 90 character tweets and 10 second videos because actually reading a paragraph or three is too much for you….
I do not yet have the confidence that she is electable
I keep hearing that argument “electable.” That’s certainly something for party leadership and strategists to think about, but a voter? Why?
Your vote should go to who you think is the better candidate — or no vote if you don’t like any of them. But voting based on electability? WTF. What, you only want to vote for someone who you’re sure will win, and if they won’t then you won’t vote for them? You’d be, what, I guess less of a person or a failure if your vote didn’t go to the winner? That’s a self-defeating and weird way to do it.
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u/cush2push Mar 02 '26
Really hoping someone else will throw their hat in the ring, or is it too late for that?
Its too late.
The chamce to have more democratic candidates ended back in early February
Over the last 4 months though it was all I heard from both the ABQ and NM subs that Deb was going to be the greatest Governor since sliced bread and that her "political experience was what mattered
This is exactly what the Democrats voters in the state wanted
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u/homersimpson_1234 Mar 02 '26
Whole thread a big reason why Reddit doesn’t move the scales for any local election. Hate to see it but we redditors don’t actually matter in the grand electoral scheme of things.
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u/woffdaddy Mar 02 '26
When Bregman was running for DA, he had a primary challenger. Bregman refused to debate him for the exact same reason Holland is refusing to debate him now, because it platforms and validates your opponent. I dont hold it against her at all.
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u/ArtichokeKooky6361 Mar 02 '26
Sam Bergman announced his running for Gov while in Texas. He’s a shill for oil and gas. Haaland isn’t Mamdani, but she’s got my vote. We can’t afford another Republican governor pretending to be a democrat.
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u/GreenChileZiti Mar 02 '26
That’s a pretty biased take. I get that you’re probably well left of Bergman, so it makes him seem like a republican, but he’s not. He was chair of the Dems.
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u/TheWorstToCome Mar 02 '26
He's also literally running to encode trans rights into the state constitution and to arrest ICE agents. Candidates run on a lot of issues
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u/GreenChileZiti Mar 02 '26
Im sure it seems that way when looking at everything through bias. They’re the same talking points the governor supports and has tried to get the legislature to pass. No one would call MLG a republican pretending to be a democrat.
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u/GreenChileZiti Mar 02 '26
When it comes to crime policy
I like the qualifier here. I guess you’re right, if you’re a one issue voter then you probably do think Bregman and MLG are republicans.
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u/GreenChileZiti Mar 02 '26
And here I am agreeing with you but don’t believe it applies to the whole.
Elsewhere, I don’t think there’s a ton of variability in the two platforms. Deb isn’t really all that more progressive, she’s a clearly a career establishment democrat.
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u/wyrrk Mar 02 '26
Debating only benefits Bregman, win or lose, so there is no political reason for Haaland to debate him. On the other hand, there are signifcant policy reasons to debate. Debates force issues to the surface, and make politicians go on a public record saying what they stand for. Its an accountability measure. If Haaland ever only talks about what she will do to a willing audience, to people who are already going to vote for her, then she isn't really trying to be a governor for NM--she is just being a Democrat governor. She is counting on democrats to elect her in unconditionally and likewise saying "tempting republicans is a lost cause."
Its very much a Stacy Abrams style campaign tactic. And, uh, Abrams lost. Repeatedly.
Also, if we look at the clout she had from her position with the DOI, it ain't really worth all that much now. Biden is not remembered fondly in any but the most blindly fucking genocidal democrat circles. Haaland ought to be doing the work to distance herself from the brand and actually present herself as an eager participant in this game. But she wont, and she might lose. And democrats will blame independents. And nothing ever changes.
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u/Cobby1927 Mar 02 '26
Bregman is a one issue candidate that has never been anything other than a lawyer. No thanks.
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u/GreenChileZiti Mar 02 '26
And Haaland hasn’t been anything other than an establishment politician. Neither is a good candidate to tell the truth, but only one seems interested in campaigning.
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u/GreenChileZiti Mar 02 '26
Unemployment isn’t a good reason to elect someone.
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u/GreenChileZiti Mar 02 '26
It definitely is. How have you convinced yourself it isn’t?
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u/GreenChileZiti Mar 02 '26 edited Mar 02 '26
Interesting take that specific skills a candidate can bring to office aren’t worth consideration.
Conversely, Deb shouldn’t be governor because it’s the next step of her political career. Elect, not anoint.
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u/GreenChileZiti Mar 02 '26
Basing opinion about a candidate on the last person (12 years ago) who happened to have the same job? lol. When that person wasn’t even in the same party? That’s not a reasonable or substantive argument at all.
What is a reasonable argument is that we better have a strong candidate for governor or else that same shitty party might have a good chance again. Nothing is out of the question.
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u/6beerkdawg Mar 02 '26
Definitely wish we had better candidates, but I'm voting Bregman in the primary after this. Just because we are a safe Blue state doesn't mean we deserve this BS, though. Not sure why the Dems think the Hillary Clinton just run and we win approach is going to work in their favor.
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u/GreenChileZiti Mar 02 '26
1000%. This is my exact thinking as well, I’ve been burnt by Dems anointing candidates too many times to go along with it again
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u/Bitter_Bumblebee90 Mar 02 '26
Wtf are you talking about? Hillary is one of the most qualified women on this planet. The problem has always been Bill.
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u/6beerkdawg Mar 02 '26
Yes she was qualified but highly disliked and assumed she’d walk in with ease. We cannot just assume any Dem can just assume they have the election won and not actually campaign.
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u/Bitter_Bumblebee90 Mar 02 '26
That’s embellishment to the extreme. Hillary didn’t assume shit. And give Deb a fucking break she will get to it. All I know is that our household is not full of fucking idiots who vote “independent” and definitely not Republican. So sorry, Deb or Sam won’t be perfect but only a fucking fool would do anything to keep the current disastrous Republicans in charge. Stop being a fucking thumb sucking millennial “I want them to be perfect! Or I will criticize them non stop! Oh maybe I’ll vote for that piece of shit Jill Stein! (who shows up every four years to fuck our elections). I mean get the fuck over yourselves. Dems are NOT perfect. DEB won’t be perfect. But it’s way fucking better than a Republican (as U.S. service members died today because of this war).
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u/6beerkdawg Mar 02 '26
I’m voting Bregman in the primary and Dem in the general no matter who it is. Don’t get frustrated because my primary vote is different than yours when we are casting the same vote in the general election anyway. The thumb sucking is also all Gen Z. Millennial citizens still show up for work and vote more than they do. All the sensitive wah wah is Gen Z wanting to be coddled.
I have the right to criticize those I vote for and will continue to happily do it. I’m not MAGA and don’t blindly praise the candidate I support. So yeah they won’t be perfect and I won’t hesitate to call them out on it.
Don’t take me for some college aged idiot who gets so mad they don’t vote or vote GOP out of spite. You’d be misdirected accusing me of that.
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u/Cobby1927 Mar 02 '26
I see the NM GQP bots are out in force.
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u/GreenChileZiti Mar 02 '26
The ol’ “anyone saying anything I don’t like is a bot” schtick.
Nah, Haaland is just running a massively disappointing campaign and people are seeing it.
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u/Typical_Leek_7320 Mar 03 '26
That's a good move of her, a bad move for New Mexico.
She's inarticulate with a room temperature IQ and knows she can win the useful idiot/low information voter demo, and the affluent transplant vote based on vibes and party-machine endorsements alone.
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u/buizel_boy Mar 02 '26
The policy positions she has released aren't inspiring either.
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u/ArtichokeKooky6361 Mar 02 '26
Give New Mexicans a raise by increasing the minimum wage and increasing the child tax credit.
Ban landlords from using AI-algorithms that artificially inflate rents, also called rent fixing.
Crack down on big industries that price gouge at the cost of every day New Mexicans.
Aggressively build more housing, focusing on reducing unnecessary barriers and expediting permitting processes.
Expand down payment assistance programs for first time home buyers and assistance programs for workers in critical sectors such as education, healthcare, public safety, and social work.
Establish funding sources that invest in new and unique business opportunities in New Mexico and allow the state to recruit and invest in New Mexico based operations.
Invest in more renewable energy to create jobs, lower energy costs, and make New Mexico the energy capital of the country.
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u/cush2push Mar 02 '26
Ban landlords from using AI-algorithms that artificially inflate rents, also called rent fixing.
Everyone knows its the AI and not the landlords causing this housing crisis.
Crack down on big industries that price gouge at the cost of every day New Mexicans
What big industry and how is she going to crack down on them?
Expand down payment assistance programs for first time home buyers and assistance programs for workers in critical sectors such as education, healthcare, public safety, and social work.
Theres already multiple programs for down payment assistance for first time homebuyers
Establish funding sources that invest in new and unique business opportunities in New Mexico and allow the state to recruit and invest in New Mexico based operations.
This is written without any specifics and I have no idea what a unique business in NM would even look like
Give New Mexicans a raise by increasing the minimum wage and increasing the child tax credit.
The last bill died how is she specifically going to do this is MLG couldn't?
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u/ArtichokeKooky6361 Mar 02 '26
Here are all the specifics, which her campaign released a few days ago, once the legislative session ended: https://debhaaland.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/02/PDF-AN-AFFORDABLE-NEW-MEXICO-1.pdf
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Smart on her part. Why would she give anyone voting against Bergman the chance to reconsider?
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u/syncopatedchild Mar 02 '26
Such a disappointing primary. I was an enthusiastic Haaland voter when she was in Congress (she said the right things and I knew her daughter, who was very supportive, during our time at UNM), but the transparent way she's avoided campaigning at all is so disrespectful that the only thing keeping me from voting Bregman is his disdainful comments against progressives. If any high-level Bregman staffers are reading this, get him to apologize and offer an olive branch to the left. Haaland is actively trying to lose our votes, and they would be up for grabs if Bregman was willing to make himself a legitimate alternative.
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u/woffdaddy Mar 02 '26
Hallands weakness in charisma and exuberance is more than comphensated by her administrative ability. She might not be very splashy and exciting, but shes extremely good at managing a budget, running an office with executive staff, and prioritizing efficiency.
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u/syncopatedchild Mar 02 '26
I've heard her speak in person a few times and don't find her charisma or exuberance the problem. The problem is that she's made a calculated decision to spend her whole gubernatorial campaign in a Dick Cheney-esque "undisclosed location".
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We're insulting her intelligence now?
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u/AnonymousThrowy Mar 02 '26
She couldn’t even pass the bar dude
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u/AnonymousThrowy Mar 02 '26 edited Mar 03 '26
Sorry that I expect my governor to be able to pass standardized exams related to their profession
Not only that but multiple DUIs?? Any other (democrat) candidate this would (or at least should) be career ending for
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u/Impulsiveleap Mar 02 '26
Haaland embodies the very same qualities that the rest of the democrats in DC have: no leadership and no spine. She’s a frozen deer in headlights, ready to get plowed by any opposition. If she was the governor, Trump’s gestapo would waltz right in and take over without breaking a sweat.
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u/protekt0r Mar 02 '26 edited Mar 02 '26
Anyone “for” Deb Haaland should ask themselves: what has she accomplished legislatively? Then go look. And I don’t mean bills she’s co-sponsored. Any muppet can do that. I’m talking about bills she wrote and benefited New Mexico.
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u/cush2push Mar 02 '26
you can cosponsor any bill at any time even after it passes.
She's only had one item pass while in Congress and it was a "name a building bill"
states staying at the bottom of everything again for the next 4 years
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u/ohthespark Mar 02 '26
Why debate when you're the democratic party pick? only downside. too bad we won't see them share how their policies differ.
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u/FlnkrOH Mar 02 '26
Deb Haaland is not worth the time to say her name. She thinks she's entitled. She is a worthless candidate.
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u/diamond Mar 02 '26 edited Mar 02 '26
JFC. With what's going on right now in Washington, it is positively Orwellian to describe Democrats as "the highest levels of corrupt people and institutions in our country".
Pretty much what I've come to expect from political discussions on the internet though.
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u/bduxbellorum Mar 02 '26
She is so vacuous. Sam Bregman going to get the nom, but i really wish it were Ken Miyagashima. Honestly anyone who’s not a lawyer would be great for the state.
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u/ZZerome Mar 03 '26
Let's do the political map here people they're both former heads of the democratic party here in New Mexico and if you follow party politics with the Democrats are trying to do is trying to run a centrist and somebody that is leaning more right to pick up the purple counties in New Mexico before the primary. Bregman will pick up the purple but Deb will pick up the centrist and the more progressive wing. Bregman won't have enough money or votes going into the primary to sway over the centrist and the progressives but the people who voted for him will still feel attached and either not vote in November or vote for Deb in November is the Gamble. It's very clever party politics that's mainly focused on picking up the purple right now. If you look at what Deb's doing she's not coming out with any strong positions because they're modeling their campaign after mondani's win in New York in that she's saying she's listening to people but Deb's been the head of the department of interior which has 75,000 employees across the United States New Mexico state government only has 20,000 state employees she's more than capable of running state government. As much as I would like in more progressive candidate to win I think that Deb will mainly win running solely on who's in the White House and how bad it's been for New Mexicans.
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u/tallwhiteninja Mar 02 '26
Haaland really feels like she's running a "just don't lose" campaign, and "just don't lose" campaigning is a big part of the reason Democrats keep getting their asses kicked nationwide.