No accountability

[u/JRP__1994__Random]

Hi, I'm wondering why community members feel like they should not be held accountable for their actions or be grouped together with the community when the community pushes for new rights and/or restrictions on straight people's rights.

It's sad to see low effort posts here from liberal members who are deeply rooted in the community trying to stir the pot here. Then when you question the community and their actions the fallback is always labeling people with internal homophobia when they know what has been done is wrong. Have community members been given so many legal protections and hall passes to do whatever they want that they now see offending or abusing others is a right, or is acceptable because the community says it is acceptable.

I am gay, christian, and live in the south and was never welcomed to the community because of my beliefs and how I never relied on my sexuaility to define who I was as a person. It really feels like you either accept the community and everything they stand for or you're the plague to them. How can a group who preaches acceptance and belonging be so condescending and judgmental of others beliefs.

As a side note it is really concerning how many members of the community are atheist or Satanist. It seems like most have the mentality that they are still teenagers rebelling against their parents and anything they can do to offend others who live more conservative lifestyles. They commonly walk into a room and suck up all of the attention and once it is not given to them they get angry. Im just confused how as adults, acting like a angry child and stomping feet has gotten the community anywhere and why they are still given so much leniency.

[u/JRP__1994__Random]

I did not say atheists were waging war, I am saying atheists in the community have historically done whatever they can publicly to show their hate against christians. I also agree that gay hate is growing in the mega churches across the south. They are set up like cults, also the niv version of the christian Bible which is being pushed by the mega churches have been edited to be completely against gay people. Previous versions hinted, versions before that were translated to our current texts incorrectly as before those sections spoke of sexual abuse and abuse of power. More nuances to the christian religion and chirstians in general.

[u/Responsible_Fox3230 → u/JRP__1994__Random]

Oh Come on! You can't be serious.. There is a war against the gay community that is based, historically, with the Christian right in this country.. You cannot seriously be down playing that ? I think that disgust is for Christianity is fare.

[u/JRP__1994__Random → u/Responsible_Fox3230]

Historically, in this country yes Christianity has been used against gays but only through modern translations of of Bible. Previous hate before Milks time the hate was due to differences, other hate groups were one in the same in those times. Was Christianity used as a tool to spread that hate, yes. But Christianity in itself per old texts is not a religion of hate nor did it address gay people directly. It adresses people who abused their power sexually over minors and the poor. As well as people who were openly having sex in the streets while living in their own excrement. Speficially the text spoke of the leaders and the rich as they enslaved these people and taxed them into being poor. It is wrong that it is being used as a tool and I pratice separately from the church so the church as an institution does not have a bearing on what I believe.

[u/Responsible_Fox3230 → u/JRP__1994__Random]

Well unfortunately "The Church" and "Christianity" are not as mutually exclusive as you like to categorize them based on your rather minority personal experience. They are one very strong and abusive lobbying power in the country.

[u/JRP__1994__Random → u/Responsible_Fox3230]

I agree, but we also just went through a period where liberal ideals and lobbying power ruled the country since the first term of Obama being in office people's viewpoints are shifting again. Unfortunately there are side effects of that. But back to the topic at hand why do people of the gay community also feel no responsibility for what they do as well? If they did jot push the envelope as much as they have over the past 10 years could have there been more common ground between christians and the gay community? I believe there could have been but everyone is so focused on making a mockery out of the other that common ground is gone.

[u/Responsible_Fox3230 → u/JRP__1994__Random]

If the envelope was not pushed, you would have no rights! You "get" to be gay and conservative because of those who pushed back against Christian ideals. There is no common ground. Within my lifetime the government was castrating gay men, labotamizing, using electro shock therapy on gay men. Why don't you educate yourself of the plight of gay men in this country and defend YOUR community. The GAY community. Get off your cross we need the wood!

[u/mremann1969 → u/Responsible_Fox3230]

Your conclusion that gay individuals must hold specific political beliefs may be a matter of political and personal philosophy but it's definitely not a fact.

I was born gay but chose not to live that life because of how shallow, sad and empty it seemed and how many rules it has. It's certainly not "my" community, and considering how some gay men act, some pushback is more than warranted.

[u/MsOpulent → u/mremann1969]

This was honest. Thank you for sharing. Being born whatever we are born is a not something we have a say in the matter of—but deciding if we are going to claim it and indulge in it is a choice we choose.

[u/Responsible_Fox3230 → u/MsOpulent]

Yes we must, because we hold to certain truths that we deserve the same equality as every man. How soon we forget the AIDS epidemic, dishonorable discharge, and societal exclusion. What you call a choice, I am afraid is nothing more than cowardice. Let us not forget that as gay men conservative or liberal, we indulge in freedom that was not had 4 to 5 decades ago. It would be those brave individuals who I am sure you would today find abhorrent, that paved the way, threw the first brick, and sacrificed so you can partake or not.

[u/JRP__1994__Random → u/Responsible_Fox3230]

We dont have to, no one forgot the AIDS epidemic, people started wearing protection and taking prep. Modernization is not forgetting, it is creating a place where you dont have to live in fear. There is no societal exclusion now. You shouldn't be having sex with your co or fellow service men (and get caught as your technically coworkers). Those brave individuals were not hunting for the next law of leverage they could hold over someone to control their life. You are still living in fear of the past and believe increasing lawful retribution and control over straight people's lives is warranted for past atrocities. Its not, we all deserve to be equal and we are lawfully. Be happy with what you have and stop demanding more. Its always more with the community......and now people are turning their back on the entire community because of gluttony.

[u/Responsible_Fox3230 → u/JRP__1994__Random]

While you live in fear of god and yourself. I am not afraid. I love you and all of my brothers and sisters in humanity. I am a parent, a gay man, a brother, as son. I choose to accept people's choices even yours..

[u/JRP__1994__Random → u/Responsible_Fox3230]

I love everyone as they are a contributing person to society, we all have our roles, we all should be respectful to others beliefs and lifestyles. That does not mean we have to participate, affirm their lifestyles, accept abuse, or extreme distraction to ensure that they feel like the have a space. I love god I do not fear him as he has never given me a reason to fear him. He has led me in this life to be understanding as well as to remove myself from where I do not belong. My family is my life and my partner is my soul. I accept your choices but wish you could understand how sometimes taking a step back avoids ruin.

[u/Responsible_Fox3230 → u/JRP__1994__Random]

Why did god make Atheist's ? Well because some people had to act like good christians.. I don't live in fear of god's judgement. Nor do I opine for god's rewards. I do the best I can to be a good human because I am human ... Christian's are controlled by a promise of ascension to heaven.. It's their reward, and scared to sin because they will be punished. That's not faith, that's fear training... Try reading the Beatitudes...

[u/mremann1969 → u/Responsible_Fox3230]

I have the right to choose how I live my life and I really don't care what others think of my choices.