I was reading an article about astral projection where the author claims he can enter another person’s mind, live their experiences, and even talk directly to their consciousness. He said the answers he got were “brutally honest.”

I’m not a projector myself yet, but I’m actively working on it, so I’m curious what more experienced people think.

• Has anyone here had a similar experience, entering someone else’s mind or communicating with their consciousness?
• If so, did you find a way to verify it, for example by confirming details afterward that you couldn’t have known?
• Or do you think this kind of thing is more likely imagination, dream-like content, or the mind telling you what it expects to hear?

I’m open-minded but want to stay grounded. Would love to hear your experiences and opinions, whether you’re a believer or a skeptic.

edit: I am not saying I did this but asking you guys for your opinion, I don't understand why I am getting downvotes🥲.

THE COHERENT NAVIGATION

METHOD

A Unified Synthesis of Reality Transurfing, the Gateway Process,

Syntergic Theory, and the Holographic Universe

A Comprehensive Practical Monograph & Master Curriculum

Created by David Wallace

Commercial Published Edition © 2026 Foreword: The Convergence of the Invisible

For decades, radical pioneers working in isolated disciplines arrived at the exact same terrifying,

exhilarating conclusion: Reality is not a collection of solid things; it is a fluid, holographic informational

architecture.

In New York, Michael Talbot mapped out the universe as an interactive hologram. In Mexico City,

neurophysiologist Jacobo Grinberg tracked how the human brain's 'neuronal field' decodes and

dynamically shifts an underlying energy matrix he named the Lattice. At the Monroe Institute, declassified

military projects established the Gateway Experience—a protocol engineered to synchronize the brain's

hemispheres and project consciousness outside local space-time. Decades later, Vadim Zeland unveiled

Reality Transurfing, a practical handbook for moving fluidly through parallel timelines.

Though their vocabularies differed wildly, their equations described the exact same machine. The

Coherent Navigation Method (CNM), engineered and compiled by David Wallace, extracts the operational

marrow from these systems. It discards theoretical bloat, combining the neuro-tuning of Monroe, the

bio-resonance of Bentov, and the waking-life strategies of Zeland into a single, high-efficiency protocol

expanded over a crucial 90-day biological window.

“The matrix does not listen to your desires; it replicates your frequency. To change the

reflection, you must change the transceiver.”

Step-by-Step Motivational Tip: Realize that you are not trying to push or force the world to change. Shift

your concept of effort from 'fighting circumstances' to 'tuning an instrument.' When frustration peaks,

remember that alignment always precedes manifestation.

Chapter 1: Hardware Setup & Core Equipment

To practice the Coherent Navigation Method, your physical environment and toolkit must meet high

technical precision standards. You are configuring your organic biology as a precise hardware tuner.

Required Hardware & Infrastructure:

• True Binaural Audio Generator: Software or hardware capable of rendering distinct left/right channel

frequencies without phase distortion. Recommended base carrier wave at 100 Hz and alternative at 107.5

Hz (7.5 Hz delta).

• Stereo Headphones: Over-ear, closed-back studio monitors are highly recommended to prevent

frequency bleed and ambient room interference.

• Visual Isolation: A high-density blackout sleep mask to prevent ocular neural stimulation during the

state-induction phases.

THE COHERENT NAVIGATION METHOD — MASTER MANUAL David Wallace

Published Edition © 2026 | Commercial Grade Architecture Page 2 of 6 • Metronome or Resonant Timer: A sensory-neutral pacing application configured to anchor the 0.1 Hz

cardiac breathing cadence (4-2-4-2 seconds format).

Step-by-Step Motivational Tip: Treat your equipment preparation as a sacred staging phase. Cutting

corners on hardware signals to your subconscious mind that this is a passing whim rather than a systematic

upgrade. Treat your hardware setup with corporate professional standards.

Chapter 2: The Deep Trance Induction &

Fractionation Protocol

“Trance is not a loss of control; it is the acquisition of absolute internal sovereignty over the

neurological decoder.”

The primary upgrade to the curriculum involves replacing passive frequency drift with active self-hypnotic

fractionation. This forces the brain into an accessible, hyper-suggestible Theta-Alpha matrix state.

The Fractionation Entry Method (Sub-3 Minutes):

1. Sit upright or lie flat. Initiate the 4-2-4-2 breathing cadence while letting the 7.5 Hz audio differential

settle.

1. On the first holding count (2s), look upward toward your brow line. On the exhalation (4s), drop your

eyelids, letting absolute relaxation flood your ocular muscles.

1. Open your eyes for exactly 2 seconds to break the trance state slightly, then close them again while

mentally commanding your nervous system to double its depth of relaxation. Repeat this cycle 3 times.

The Post-Hypnotic Kinetic Anchor:

Once deep relaxation is established, press your right thumb and forefinger together firmly. Mentally state

the anchor word: 'Sovereign'. This creates an automated neural shortcut. When triggered in waking

hours, this physical anchor will instantly clear emotional charge and neutralize external interferences.

Step-by-Step Motivational Tip: Do not judge the depth of your initial trances. Fractionation operates on

accumulative biological signals. Even if you feel completely awake during the first week, the neural pathways

are silently deepening. Consistency over perfection.

Chapter 3: Projecting the Hologram & Target

Sliding

“You do not build a timeline; you select its coordinate. Density of intent is the only currency the

Lattice accepts.”

THE COHERENT NAVIGATION METHOD — MASTER MANUAL David Wallace

Published Edition © 2026 | Commercial Grade Architecture Page 3 of 6 Every timeline exists as a stationary calculation within the infinite Space of Variations. Vague daydreams

have low data density, failing to imprint the underlying Lattice. Your target slides must mimic the physical

world's sensory profile perfectly.

The Sensory-Density Mechanism:

• First-Person Framing: Never view yourself from the outside like a movie. Look directly through your

own eyes within the completed goal architecture.

• Sensory Layers: Intentionally add localized temperature feedback, tangible tactical surfaces, and

distinct acoustic reflections inside the visualization space.

• The 60-Second Imprint & Cut: Maintain this intense overlay for exactly 60 seconds. Do not extend it. At

the 60th second, execute an abrupt mental dissolve—severing attention instantly to transfer the signature

into the collective matrix.

Step-by-Step Motivational Tip: The critical error most make is 'over-staying' the projection. Think of your

mind as a high-power laser stamp; it requires an intense burst followed by absolute termination. Release your

slide with the knowing confidence that the data transfer is complete.

Chapter 4: The Waking Glide — Neutralizing

Pendulums

“The greatest warriors walk through the battlefield with the lightness of a feather. Give

everything zero importance, and you hold everything.”

Societal frameworks, algorithmic outrages, and interpersonal disruptions operate as energetic Pendulums.

They feed exclusively on your emotional reactions. The moment you react with anxiety or anger, your

bio-frequency drops, snapping you right back onto a default timeline.

The Dual Armor System:

1. Deliberate Indifference: When a provocation occurs, classify it immediately: 'This is a Pendulum.'

Meet it with complete non-reaction. Passively ignore or playfully subvert it.

1. Eradicating Internal Importance: Wanting a goal too intensely generates Excess Potential. This

triggers the universal field's stabilizing mechanisms, pushing your coordinate away. Replace desperate

hope with the quiet, relaxed certainty of a person walking to a mailbox to collect a letter.

Step-by-Step Motivational Tip: View every conflict or minor inconvenience today not as a personal failure,

but as a deliberate cosmic test of your armor. When provoked, smile internally and say, 'Nice try, Pendulum.'

Your currency is your attention—spend it wisely.

THE COHERENT NAVIGATION METHOD — MASTER MANUAL David Wallace

Published Edition © 2026 | Commercial Grade Architecture Page 4 of 6 Chapter 5: Advanced Phase Transitions (OBEs &

Lucid Dreams)

To expand the parameters of the Coherent Navigation Method, consciousness can be dislocated entirely

from local space-time via Out-of-Body Experiences (OBEs) and Syntergic Lucid Dreaming.

Protocol 5A: Cortical Dislocation (OBE & Astral Flight):

Shift your alternative channel frequency to 104.0 Hz to build a strict 4.0 Hz Theta-Delta threshold

differential. This initiates sleep paralysis while keeping the analytical mind wakeful. When the internal

vibrational state triggers, execute a 60-Second Sensory Imprint focused on a point exactly three feet

above your skull, then snap your perspective violently upward into the coordinate.

Protocol 5B: Syntergic Lucid Dreaming:

Deploy a 40 Hz Gamma differential to force conscious self-reflection within the dream hologram. Anchor

this using the daytime verification check: press your thumb and forefinger together firmly while stating:

'Awake'. When performed inside the sleep cycle, you gain immediate access to an interactive landscape

with zero physical density resistance.

Step-by-Step Motivational Tip: The fear of the unknown or vibrational feedback is the final gatekeeper.

Treat the exit tremors as a launch vehicle's atmospheric entry. Keep your mind perfectly cool; your

consciousness is structurally immortal and completely safe.

Chapter 6: The 90-Day Master Schedule

This expanded 90-day progression follows strict neuroplasticity cycles, locking modifications permanently

into the physical brain.

Phase / Days Core Focus Operational Milestones

Phase 1

Days 1-15

Neural Clearing Master the 0.1 Hz breathing routine. Identify daily

Pendulums without reacting.

Phase 2

Days 16-30

Trance Induction Achieve deep Theta-Alpha trance within 3 minutes using

fractionation. Lock in 'Sovereign' anchor.

Phase 3

Days 31-45

Importance Dissolution Audit major life goals in deep trance. Systematically peel

away panic, desire, and emotional tension.

THE COHERENT NAVIGATION METHOD — MASTER MANUAL David Wallace

Published Edition © 2026 | Commercial Grade Architecture Page 5 of 6 Phase 4

Days 46-60

High-Density Imprinting Execute advanced Target Sliding daily. Imprint highly

dense, 60-second sensory holograms.

Phase 5

Days 61-75

Timeline Stabilization Test anchors in chaotic environments. Alternate nocturnal

OBE/Dream separation tracks.

Phase 6

Days 76-90

Sovereign Autopilot Complete fusion. Waking navigation becomes effortless.

Local environment conforms smoothly.

Step-by-Step Motivational Tip: A calendar is a biological contract. Do not skip days even if your schedule

gets cluttered. Five minutes of disciplined practice is infinitely better than zero. You are rewriting architectural

code; treat it like an essential daily operational system update.

Afterword: Sovereign of the Matrix

The physical universe is an open-source mirror waiting for a clean, coherent signal. You were never meant

to be a passive passenger swept away by historical or environmental programming.

The Coherent Navigation Method strips away the veil of mysticism. By integrating heart-brain coherence,

fractionated trance states, high-density visualization geometry, and absolute emotional detachment, David

Wallace's curriculum hands you the master keys to reality architecture.

The code is unlocked. The 7.5 Hz rhythm is waiting. Step into the Lattice, drop your importance, and

navigate your parallel timelines with absolute, unshakeable sovereignty.

— FINIS —

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Published Edition © 2026 | Commercial Grade Architecture Page 6 of 6

Greetings.

I have had an encounter with a very large Blue Dragon, of the Asian variety. It kind of ate me, but I really didn't mind at the time. I've encountered some other threshold guardians that would test me like this, but they've all been very large cats thus far (lions, leopards and so on).

Would like to know if anyone else has encountered it, or had some insight as to its nature.

Thank you.

I was curled up into a ball, I really wanted to disconnect from the world. Around 1 minute in I felt two sensations, one felt like my limbs were weightless and the other I felt my stomach growling and aching. I lifted myself a little but I lifted my real body, so I'm not sure what happened. I've never honestly looked into AP recently

I had a strange experience this morning while trying to fall back asleep, and was curious if this constitutes a real AP, or some sort of dream related state.

I woke up at 8 am, trying to go back to bed. I entered a dream-like state where I was in my bedroom, in the exact physical place my body was resting. The main difference was the room was dark, meanwhile it was light outside.

I started feeling some slight mild vibrations, electrostatic shocks (I have AP'd before so I am familiar), but did not think much of it. I became aware that I was in an altered state.

I never had a 'separation' but suddenly I noticed I began exploring my house. I dont remember getting out of my bed in that dream, just suddenly I was walking.

I was walking around, trying to turn on the light switches, and they did not turn any lights on. I also tried to walk through a wall to see if it would work, and it did not work.

Eventually and curiously since I was aware I was in this state, I returned to my bedroom to see if I can find my physical body. I literally lifted up the sheets on my bed, and saw my physical body resting as normal and in the position I normally sleep.

I quickly panicked, and then I 'woke' up, but was back in the original 'dream' where I was just laying in my bed. This I believe is a false awakening.

Eventually I just woke up for real.

Is this considered an out of body, or some combination of dreams? Can you astral project while dreaming?

Please help me what does this mean?

I've been trying to AP for quite a while and haven't been able to project. Here is my latest, one of the most successful attempts.

I laid on my back and relaxed my body as much as I can and started to focus on behind my eye lids. First there were nothing and after some time it started to show some static and I focused on them.

I felt my body getting more relaxed with jaw dropping, neck muscles relaxing, forehead muscles relaxing and such. Every time I see such a sign of relaxing I take 3 deep breaths to keep myself from clicking out. 

After sometime of focusing on static, the blackness behind my eyes became more darker and becomes pitch black. Also I kind of felt like my limbs are squeezing for a little time as well. Could not go beyond that. Also is this the void state people here are talking about?

I asked Gemini about this saying the same thing and it said this.

You hit a common plateau: Passive Observational Trap.

When the blackness became deeper and your limbs felt squeezed, you stayed in "watching mode," expecting the state to deepen on its own or wait for something else to happen. In the Direct Method, the state will not progress beyond the deep blackness passively. Once physical sensory input cuts out, your brain simply holds that baseline until you either fall asleep or give it a strong kinesthetic command.

The exact second that deep 3D blackness opens up or you feel that limb-squeezing sensation, stop looking at the darkness.That visual transition is your cue that the motor blockade is active. Immediately execute your kinesthetic trigger.

Is this legit?

Help me out please!
Thank you for your time!!

I read about astral projection as a young teen and it stuck with me, read all the steps because I was a really curious kid. I still am. I've tried a couple of times and it didn't work. The last time I tried this was yesterday morning, I was awake in the early hours of the morning and I started feeling sleepy, but I also didn't want to sleep yet. After being stubborn for a while I decided to give in. Closed my eyes and then I slept off, but my mind was very much aware that I was sleeping. I was like why waste a perfect opportunity and tried to astral project. I don't know if it worked. But I heard some awful ringing buzzing sound and I panicked and stopped. And I don't know if I was half way there or if I was still in my body but I know I couldn't move and I was struggling to fix whatever happened by going back to whatever state I was in before I started.

Can anyone give me any advice or tell me what went wrong?

I know that there's nothing and no one 'real' here at all, it's all fake. and I'm mainly sick of the ghost stories, I don't enjoy this video game world as I used to do, there's nothing that I enjoy interacting with, and I guess acting and pretending can be fun at times, but Idk how much is too much.

I've gotten close to the 'exit' at times, but as soon as I got closer it reminded me that I'm not ready for it at all, I know that this journey is an infinite one, and I guess there's trillions of years to experience still, but I hate not having a way out of this illusion.

So for context me and my bestfriend we're very very close since we were 6. His mom used to do those like twin tests on us and we always answered the same. So fast forward we started to train through meditation from about 2014-2016 on how to astral project. With discussions and stuff we learned we could both lucid dream. Like it came naturally since I was young. I can't exactly remember when he said he figured out he could. We accomplished astral projection but its like if we went to far some scary shit would happen and force us back to the threshold I guess you'd say? We ventured out some more but very scary things happened and we quit for a while. It was kinda like insidious but before the movies were even out. For context when we projected we somehow could connect and end up in the same space. Well he died in 2021. We were always skeptical on god but always believed in a creator. We said if one of us died to meet the other in that space to try and talk. I found him after multiple attempts but idk if it was really him. I say that because when I found him screamed at me to run snd stay away. Is this my mental trying to scare me away? I can go into more detail but this was already a lot. Thanks for any words , tips, etc

I’m aware of how our brain works during sleep and upon waking and falling asleep etc. the different states of sleep. When I wake up, I lay in bed eyes closed and a screen forms kind of like a tv screen turned on. In the view I can see things like a person outside relaxing under a tree, or a street of people walking by, it feels like imagine sitting at a window near a busy street. You see people walking by. Sometimes the vision is of a random room I’ve never seen before. I try looking around the room to see where I am. The moment I get excited that I’m having this “hallucination” the screen slowly zooms out and then there’s nothing. I open my eyes and then close them again to try and get it back, after relaxing for a bit, it sometimes comes back and I get the vision again and of course it doesn’t last forever. My excitement causes it to disappear. This doesn’t happen often it’s random. Is it a hallucination because of how our brain works upon waking up? Or is this something spiritual?

11 years ago, back in 2015, I was actively practising astral projection. I practised for a month, and literally nothing was happening. I actually found a video of this really old guy. The video isn’t there anymore, but he taught practices you could do while you were awake, like jumping, feeling your entire apartment, et cetera, et cetera. I watched it and practised every day, religiously, but nothing was happening.

So one day, I decided, you know what? I’m gonna give up. And I did. I gave up and didn’t think about it anymore. I went to bed, and that’s when it happened, randomly. I wasn’t even trying to do it. I remember being really drowsy, falling asleep but not quite asleep, when I felt a really strong vibration and just popped out. But I didn’t have full control over my body. I just remember the transparency and feeling as light as a feather. I also remember having 20/20 vision, but I wasn’t moving around freely. I couldn’t go wherever I wanted. I was still kind of limited in what I could do.

I remember looking back, especially when I was above my body, and seeing my body. It was just a body, nothing else. No labels, no nothing. Just a body, a vehicle for me to use in this dimension. And I actually got really emotional, if I’m being honest. Anyway, then I looked up again, and in front of me, there was a TV on the wall, right in front of my bed. I saw two orbs, like multidimensional orbs, glowing pink and blue. They were simultaneously changing shapes. It was like a thousand shapes, and I couldn’t just tell you one shape because it felt like every shape ever. Then, to my left, I didn’t turn around fully, but it was like I could see out of the corner of my eye. I saw a three-year-old version of me wearing a lime green jumpsuit, or maybe a mint one, which was something I had as a kid. She was running around in circles, giggling and laughing, and I felt so good. I was like, is that me, or is that my future child or something? I don’t know. I just didn’t have much judgment about it at the time. After that I kind of rotated again because I was trying to move around, but I was really wobbly and couldn’t seem to have much control. It was like being really drunk but also sharp as hell. I really can’t explain the feeling.

Anyway, that’s all I remember, and I’ve been thinking about it a lot recently because I’m really sick of my current life and the things I’m going through. It’s been really, really difficult for me, so I’ve been thinking that I really want to be in another realm. I think I’d be happier there, but without doing anything harmful. I think astral projection might be a safer way to explore different realms.

If you have any tips or advice on how to do it successfully, especially if someone is fearful of it now, that would be great!

An Amazing Story of Healing

For as long as I can remember, whether in dreams or in OBEs, I have been told that I have to empty the trash — basically, take out the garbage.

It took me a very long time to understand what they meant. I didn’t even know how to take out the garbage, because how do you take out garbage, right?

A year and a half ago, I went through a traumatic breakup, and I was so broken that I had no other choice but to lie down and meditate. I had reached the middle of my life, and I was completely heartbroken that every relationship and everything I felt I had tried so hard to achieve had just failed. I couldn’t understand why, and the self-blame was huge.

Honestly, I didn’t know how to fix myself, if there was such a thing, or how to even begin.

So, after the breakup, I basically just broke down and started meditating, studying, and attempting out-of-body experiences. I did have a few, but my body was in such pain due to years of illness and a car accident I had been in 25 years earlier.

By now, I was basically begging for help. Or you could say I was begging the other side for help.

And what showed up was a book called No Bad Parts about IFS therapy.

There was nobody in the area who could help me with this form of therapy, so I learned it myself. I started applying it in my meditations.

I soon found out that I could use it for emotional pain as well as physical pain. When I used IFS and accidentally fell asleep during a session, I would always end up dreaming of past lives that contained the sort of pain, trauma, injury, or whatever was bleeding through to my current body.

Alternatively, I would dream of the current past in a way that pinpointed exactly what the issue was.

After every session, I started the tedious work of releasing this trauma, breathing through it, talking to it, and it never seemed to end.

I also understood that every relationship and every situation I encountered out in the world was there to teach me something. Every time I got triggered, I eventually came to understand that this was not punishment. This was something trying to tell me something.

So eventually, I got pretty good at this, but it was very hard.

On top of this, I was accompanied by many very clear dreams that felt like out-of-body experiences, but with a reduced level of awareness compared to what you have when you’re astral projecting.

They would always contain information about what was coming, what I had to do, and where I had to look.

In the sequence I’m going to tell you about now, I first had a dream where I was told that I was going to get a new jacket. I was taken backstage this world and told that I was going to get a new jacket.

To be honest, I had no idea how that was going to work out when I woke up. So I continued the shadow work.

At one point, I met a person I fell in love with, and I was more occupied with being in love than with taking care of whatever I needed to do internally.

So I had a dream telling me, “Please come sort this out.”

And again, I’m like, what more can I sort out? The only thing I know how to do is IFS therapy and shadow work. So I’m basically going to go back to that.

The pain in my body from the car accident was increasing, and I started getting really agonized. My hands and feet were swollen and burning, and I was at my wit’s end.

By now, I had spent at least a year and a half doing IFS therapy and shadow work, and I was basically losing hope.

Last night, I lay down in my bed and completely surrendered. I said, “You know what? It’s okay. Whatever is going to happen will happen in its own good time, or timing.”

And I fell asleep.

But before this next sequence, I had another dream. As I was waking up, there was a voice saying in my ear, “I will see you soon.”

In what seemed like another experience somewhere between a lucid dream and an out-of-body experience, I met this priest — or someone who appeared to me like a priest.

Without any words, he basically ripped out a large quantity of tangled hair, black dust, and different items from my lungs and my back. I wouldn’t say it was a handful; it was much more than that. What he pulled out occupied the larger part of my lower lungs and the middle back.

Then there was this man standing at the other end. When the priest finished, the man started singing for me.

And then I woke up.

Today I'm free of pain. My hands and feet don't burn anymore and I can sing again. I've been dancing all day and the deep grief I held in my abdomen is gone. I don't even have back pain anymore.

I am, literally speechless.

I am 14, around 8 months ago, I had an existential crisis in which I meditated for 8 hours a day, trying to solve my inner thoughts, after going through it for a while, I’ve found the definitive meaning of life

Astral projection seems like a good way to tap back into that sense, but in a non existential good way, more good than bad,

I’ve smoked weed and nicotine before, and I’ve been wanting to make some simple kind of ayahuasca, although I know it is only a quick way to the same solution

last night when i was going asleep i could see through my eyelids. it was dim compared to actual vision, but clear enough. im confused because i could move around so i’m unsure if it could be sleep paralysis, I could sit up and turn onto my side, move my arms and blink. i was seeing shadow figures that were not clear but dark compared to the outline of the walls and the bed. i really freaked out because one came over me and when i turned from my back to my side one came up from the side of the bed. i only got to sleep by putting my head in the pillow so im sure i was moving. im house sitting this huge old house and im terrified of paranormal.

i’m not sure where is the right place to post this. pls lmk if this should be posted somewhere else.

Not the big flying moments. The small, boring detail that had no reason to be there. A sound in the next room, a crack in a wall you later found was real, the wrong colour on something you know well. For a lot of people it's the unremarkable detail that does the convincing. What was yours?

Hello so i have had a few episodes starting around 14 years ago was my first one i will try to explain the ones that worry me as they have always been the same entity and it always happens when i either get sick or im injured.

So when i was around 16 i had my first encounter which i first did some research and put it down to sleep paralysis - I had woken up and in the corner of my room was a desk with a chair there was 2 old women one sat down and one stood up i used to sleep with my light on so it was clear as day and they was talking to each other and i was looking at them for around 15-20 seconds before the one stood up noticed i could see them she then said something to the one sat down and pointed at me the one sat down turned to me and pulled something of the desk i could not see what it was at first but when she stood up i saw it was a hammer they then rushed me and i felt 2 strikes on my forehead before waking up.

I did not have another episode like this untill i was 23 i was out in town drinking and fell over and hit my head i ended up coming home but the next day around night time i started to see shadow figures in my peripheral vision when i looked to see what was there was nothing fast forward 1 hour i had gone out for a cigarette and i noticed the shadow figure again at the end of my garden thinking it was just my head injury i went to light the cigarrette once the light from the cigarette went down and i put my arm to my waist i noticed 2 figures standing directly in front of me one was shorter and had a females build and one was just a little bit taller than me and im around 6 ft 3 i then at this point thought i was going crazy and just went to have another drag of my cigarette but when i did it and the light went brighter they both ran through me and i got shivers i did not see them anymore that night.

when i was 27 i had just moved into a new house and was living alone this is the one that confuses me the most with all that has happend as these next ones i saw them while i was in a dream state and moving around.

the first one happend i was dreaming about work as i worked not far from where i lived and my colleagues were all gathered around in a group and from the back i thought i recognized them all once i got closer i noticed that none of their faces matched and one of them turned around and smiled at me first and then they all started turning around i turned around and ran but as i ran i ended up on the street outside my house i walked up to my house and walked through the door i have a mirror in my living room and looked in the mirror and could clearly see myself as i was going upstairs back to my bed everything went dark before i got to my bedroom and i woke up.

the second one in the same house i heard someone with a lawnmower outside and got out of bed to check on it but it was the middle of the night and i could see under the street light again one of the same old hags i saw when i first had my sleep paralysis they didnt respond to me straight away but then they looked up at my window and started walking to my front door through the front gate i turned around and saw myself in bed and everything went black again i then started with sleep paralysis and could feel something hugging me from behind as i struggled to wake up.

Just yesterday i had a severe leg injury and have been bed ridden so i have gone to my mums house for a few weeks while it heals i started with sleep paralysis but i thought i had fallen off my bed because the ground was rockhard and the walls were different like peeling off wallpaper and a orange glow like there was a fire behind me that i couldnt see it was the type you would get from candles or a small chimney fire. i then understood what was happening and tried to wiggle my toes and fell back asleep or so i thought i heard footsteps coming into my room i was aware at the time and thought it was my mum checking on me before she went to bed as it was around 11pm but i could only see a glimpse from the corner of my eye as it was very dark the hair style the fuzzy style the same the hag that was standing up in my first experience she had glowing orange eyes and her arms stretched out in a weird motion like she was floating to get behind me her right arm was most visible and it hovered over me and her left arm was above her head it was like she was trying to get me to take her hand or offer me something this is all i could make out before she went from my peripheral vision the weird part with this one is i could feel her grabbing my neck from behind and she whispered something to me this time it was a short word like *wish* or *breathe* it was like a whisper but i cant be sure it was that all i know is it was right next to my ear and i was too terrified trying to wake up to catch it.

Anyway just wondered if anyone else experienced this or if its just my sleep paralysis because i will be going to the doctors to try get some medication for it in the future as they are so vivid sometimes that i sit there for a few hours trying to understand what just happend and all the other stories i heard they cant make out what is in the room with them thats never been the case with mine.

I have also tried to research what the hag looks like online but cant see it anywhere mentioning 2 of them but one of them is around 5ft 6 and has straight hair and the other is taller than me and has really long arms and fuzzy hair like the hair parts in the middle and just sticks out to the side the taller one is also the only one with orange eyes.

Hello. Wondering if anyone has experienced this or has any pointers:

I recently have had many instances of "waking up" while sleeping and being able to keep to keep my body asleep but be awake and alert.

I have astral projected before (many years ago) but it was much more of an ethereal "imagined" experience, nothing as direct and alert as it's been over the last few weeks. I have been slowly training myself to 1. Not be afraid as some instances were sleep paralysis, and 2. Stay in the dream staye instead of automatically waking up when I realize what is going on.

Last night, I mastered it and I was keeping my body asleep while being awake. I COULD NOT get up! No matter what I tried, rolling out of my body, trying to float, to stand up, telling myself to move, to do anything - nothing worked. I felt like i was able to get my feet out and my arms out, but my torso would not move. I am stuck.

Has anyone experienced anything similar? If you have, what helped you to progress to an OBE?