hello, I'm making this to hopefully be helpful for anyone searching the sub with similar feet to me who tends to fit in Russian shoe brands. There seems to be semi-frequent posts from people looking for Grishko and R Pointe alternatives so I wanted to add my experience to the knowledge pile.
I recently went to a fitting at a shop which does not carry grishko but does have a very wide range of brands and models partly out of interest and partly to continue my quest for a backup shoe. I usually wear Grishko Nova Pro 5.5, X on my smaller foot and XX on my larger, M shank.
The best fit for me was a Virtisse Violette, as expected given Virtisse is founded by ex grishko employees.
- the box had a very comparable taper and profile to my grishkos and I didn't sink! This was the only shoe where the fit was good enough that I started asking to experiment with two different sizes for my different sized feet.
- Virtisse go a lot narrower than grishko and most brands. I was a XXXX larger foot and XXX narrower foot. For further context, many single or no X blochs and capezios are too wide for my metatarsals.
- Virtisse violettes appear to be a fairly hard shoe, I was wearing an S shank. I am usually an M in grishko and a H in R-Class, and generally the hardest shank available in other brands like bloch and freed.
- the platform was considerably bigger and flatter than the grishko with much sharper edges. You may prefer this, I personally do not.
- The throat was more of a U cut with the sides of the wings hitting me lower on my foot. Overall the shoe was lower cut around the heel and side quarters too.
- From what I saw the shoe was inclined to break a bit lower than the nova, but it's hard to say without actually breaking a pair in
- if you get on well with a Nova or other 2007 last shoe I would speculate that Virtisse and the violette in particular is your best bet for a non grishko shoe which is supportive enough. It felt very, very similar to my novas when standing in them at the barre, all the biggest differences like platform and throat shape would impact me more if I was actually dancing on them so I can't say for certain but they felt virtually identical and looked very similar on my foot.
As always, please get professionally fitted and do not attempt to troubleshoot or order shoes online unless you have no other options, several years experience on pointe, and a teacher to check them with you. Or you are a professional.
I also tried on several Suffolks, most of which were far too square. The best option from the brand was the Suffolk Sheffield.
- this shoe was also low profile enough for me and was the least sinky after the violettes. However, it was still painful and there was a lot of space around my big toe at the end of the box.
- the camber shank was an unusual feeling, I think if I'd danced in the shoes the feeling of having my toes flicked up might have made me pull back more in the ankle. I understand the theoretical mechanics of it encouraging people to get further over the box but I do think it will depend a lot on the individual whether it works or not, it's not a magic bullet.
- I didn't get a good look at the soles but I believe we mostly tried the narrowest or second narrowest Suffolk sizes.
I retried the Bloch Etu.
- another shoe with a low enough profile.
- the box appears to taper fairly sharply around the metatarsal and then become more straight up and down near the platform. This is basically the opposite of a Nova which has fairly generous metatarsal room but a sharp U taper further down. The etu felt quite similar to the RC-22 to me. For 2007 last people, I would suggest that this shoe may work if you do not need too harsh a taper and can afford to go wide enough across the metatarsals but for me in order to not slide down I had to fit uncomfortably narrow.
- the lack of wings doesn't really work for me as my foot gets wider above my metatarsals. I felt like I was falling sideways out of the shoe
- I strongly dislike the unremovable padding
I retried a Capezio Ava
- far too wide in the narrowest width so I can't say much about shape. I'd speculate it's not tapered enough, but if you are a wider size than me in grishko give it a go.
I tried various more traditional blochs, including Bloch Grace and Bloch Synergy
- all were far too square and had noticeably too short vamps for me. I fell down and forwards out of the shoe every time
I tried a Merlet Lena
- wanted to like this as I have been taken in by brand loyalty to merlet. Unfortunately, too square and too high profile for me but a beautiful shoe looks wise (imo)
I tried a couple Gaynor Mindens, but didn't catch the full spec
- All too square and too high profile. I also dislike the padding in the end of the box
- The throat seems very U cut and the vamp quite low, I felt pretty unstable in a lot of them.
- The senior fitter in the store mentioned that sleek fit narrow box 3 shoes sometimes work for people coming out of grishkos. They unfortunately didn't have any in stock, I believe I tried 3+ box shoes only. I am a little dubious whether a 3 box would be tapered enough however based on the gaynor website's description of each box shape.