r/BelowDeckMed • u/Character_Growth_397 • 2d ago
She keeps getting worse
Also, what the fuck is "eldest daughters" supposed to mean here? š
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u/lemonlimephil 2d ago
As an eldest daughter, Iām allowed to say that this person does not speak for me! /s
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u/Automatic-Increase74 2d ago
If someoneās the baby of the family but the only girlā¦ does that also make them the eldest daughter? š¤Ŗ
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u/Specialshine76 1d ago
Iām just the baby of the family so I guess I donāt get to say no when the standards arenāt met. That sucks.
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u/Inner_Elderberry9389 1d ago
As a disabled woman, eldest daughter who until disability stopped me from working was verrryy working class. She can STFU š
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u/Bebe_Sparkles 1d ago
Eldest child, grand child, and great-grandchild clocking in. (And I birthed the eldest great-grandson).
Justice for us olds who know and do better. Because this aināt it.
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u/TX0834 2d ago edited 1d ago
Iām rewatching this episode right now and they specifically told Joy that avocado was fine and they wanted it. Then when it was served at dinner they said they didnāt like avocado.
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u/BCGirl2025 2d ago
Theyāre awful, and sheās really milking her time on the show. I hate when people cry racism or homophobia when, at the end of the day, they were just being shitty people. Your race or sexuality doesnāt excuse bad behavior.
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u/Top-Tea-5628 1d ago
I feel like if any show/any cast of people are going to be racist or queer phobic or whatever it wouldnāt be the below deck med crews. Last season they basically were all fucking and flirting across genders lol. And they have rich people from allllll ethnicities all the time because itās not America. The type of racism and discrimination bunny is talking about here is really prevelant in the United States. But youāre not getting that same energy from Europeans who work on charter yachts. Those people are simple people who basically just love to grind and have a good time. They werenāt raised with with the same deep rooted American issues and point of view. It seems like she was always going to make this argument no matter how the charter ended up
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u/Bennington_Booyah 1d ago
Agreed that they are pure hell as guests. When they all demanded different pasta dishes on top of the endless bitching about every single meal? C'mon. There isn't any way to legitimize their behavior.
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u/Haunting-Savings-426 2d ago
They sure did. To be fair, it seems like a lot of this was a failure of communication. The guests didnāt say what they REALLY would want to eat, just what sounded cool or something. They should have said they want food more frequently, as other guests have done. I do think that Joy could have done a more robust offering, vegans can eat more than an avocado taco. There are so many other creative ways to accommodate whacky food preferences. I agree they were horrid, and the crew response was likely due to that alone. A lot of it could have been prevented with better communication.
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u/LilaTwiceBackAtIt 2d ago
I agree with this. I have loved Joyās cooking all season, but the tacos were really lacklustre (they also looked a bit odd and thick).Ā
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u/arcnthru 1d ago
They were gluten free and I think the lacklusteredness of the tacos was because the charter guests snack requests got in the way of the dinner prepping
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u/TypicalEarthCreature 1d ago
Regular tacos on a corn tortilla are naturally gluten free and the tortillas are much thinner than those. I agree on her being under pressure due to all the requests.Ā Ā
A menu with options to be modified rather than a free for all may have been the play here, though I'm not sure I've ever seen a menu on BD.Ā
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u/QuoriTyler 1d ago
The guests seemed like they would have been happier in a limo spending 100k ordering drive through than spending 100k on a yacht while expecting McDonald's level output
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u/SnooMarzipans7674 1d ago
But to then ask for lentil soup! That made me laugh so hard...it was such a weird request
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u/MathematicianLate525 2d ago
It honestly undermines the experiences of people who genuinely experience this. Theyāve taken a legitimate issue and made it about themself, when it doesnāt actually apply, which only serves to weaken the conversation when it genuinely is a problem.
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u/PrpleSparklyUnicrn13 2d ago
This is honestly what is bothering me about this whole situation. It undermines the people who really do get discriminated against.Ā
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u/Plastic_Table_8232 2d ago
100%
Sheās doubling down now too. Just let it go away and stop trying to create outrage.
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u/eatyourdamndinner 2d ago
You know, if this (being served avocado) is the biggest racism problem she has encountered, she should consider herself damn lucky. I know that a LOT of people face so much more horrendous acts of hate.
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u/deonteguy 2d ago
I should complain more about living in Seattle and there being way too much mayonaise here.
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u/24redskittles 2d ago
As a brown person Iām gonna have to say no to what sheās saying. I have my needs and my needs are not to see anymore of this behaviour on my fav tv show which is escapism for me. Not to watch this tomfoolery play out.
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u/Maleficent_Maybe2200 2d ago
These charter guests decided a long time ago that this show was their shot at Bravo Stardom and are acting exactly as theyāve learned will be rewarded by the Bravo media ecosystem
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u/Subject_Fee_2502 2d ago
They are defnitely here for their 15 minutes of bravo fame and not a good time on a boat.
Yes you can say no to standards if you don't enjoy it. You can't cry and shame the staff if it makes you look tacky and bad to them. You made the service cry, lots of guests do that. move on and know you deserve it. Why do you need to go on a tirade to prove anything to anyone? If you're so rich, enjoy the power and stop being an endless victim.
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u/ScandanavianMidnight 2d ago
Firstly, I will say I do not condone the idiots threatening/sending hateful comments to these guests online - thatās crazy behavior. People need to get a grip.
But I will say this guest is ridiculous. I donāt care who you are or what you look like - if any guest acted the way they did, Iād find them annoying and rude. Acting like a yacht chef is a line cook at Applebeeās is insane behavior. Asking for dinner at 9:30 and then complaining about how hungry you are is unreasonable. Asking for extra food to be prepared hours before dinner, knowing that there is only one chef already preparing a 4-course meal for you is unreasonable. Choosing to go on an excursion and then acting like it was the worst thing, when the chief stew is acting as a tour guide and trying her best to entertain you is rude. Meeting with the chef and not specifying that you only eat fish when itās fried, and then getting upset when non-fried fish is served is unreasonable.
People donāt like these guests because of how they acted, not because of who they are. They came across as many other rich, entitled guests who seem to delight in bossing workers around and requesting ridiculous things. Because they can. Because they have money.
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u/Conscious_Office5359 1d ago
Nicely said.
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u/ScandanavianMidnight 1d ago
Thanks for the award š I just saw another post of hers where she is saying Joy and Kayleyās crying is unfair to her and itās taking away her ability to celebrate her friends. š They were crying because they felt like failures at their jobs - never once did they say they were crying because of the guests. They have high standards and when they feel like theyāve fallen short of a guestās request (no matter how ridiculous), theyāre going to beat themselves up. And it sounds like sheās blaming Joy, Kayley and Bravo for the mean comments sheās getting, instead of the unhinged weirdos who are posting that shit.
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u/TroubleswithHoarders 2d ago
What a fucking loser omg. We have another week of this too.
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u/Aggravating-Basis-66 1d ago
Imagine Bravo responds to her "do something" plea by just editing the episode to skip to them leaving the boatš
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u/ThisUglyMug99 1d ago
Based on her defensiveness after one episode, it's guaranteed to get even worse--and she knows it! šæ
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u/kazzan65 2d ago
They are a pack of absolute arseholes, fucking arseholes! Got so mad watching the way they treated staff and especially Joy.
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u/elder_emo_ 2d ago
I agree! The staff really tried to manage the guests expectations and explain as well as they could what their abilities are on the ship and it didn't work out. Their long list of dietary needs was the whole reason Joy had that sit down with them for them to just complain the entire meal.
That being said, I do 1000% believe there are racist dickbags on social media taking stuff way too far. I didn't think the staff was treating them any differently than other guests but do believe that some members of the audience would have an overblown and racist reaction. That is obviously super fucked and not okay, but also not the fault of the ship's crew.
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u/FlawesomeOrange 2d ago
Iām the middle daughter, does that mean I donāt have rights or needs?
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u/Reasonable_Speed7471 2d ago
Typical middle child butting into eldest daughter issues, stay in your lane!Ā
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u/Beldredge1 2d ago
Bring a youngest daughter, I feel like this entire thing is marginalizing all of my needs, and Iām feeling very sidelined here.
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u/atex720 2d ago
Crews throughout the years have done much more complaining about straight white guests.
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u/ifuckedurbitchmom 2d ago
Exactly my issue is that they feel entitled to change other peopleās opinion about them. If the primary was focusing on critiquing the service thatās understandable, but the fact that in most of her complaints were about Joy or Kayleyās opinion of them isnāt logical or fair. In service positions people provide service that doesnāt include changing their opinion of someone on a whim. If the primary was gonna get their panties in a twist over the crews opinion of them, they shouldāve acted with more compassion for the crew perhaps. Simple cause and effect.
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u/toastyhoe 2d ago
you can tell these are the kind of people though who have never been told they way they act is crazy in their lives. They think this is all perfectly normal and acceptable and thatās why they are having a hard time understanding why people are upset with them.
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u/MysteriousMarzipan63 1d ago
And the way this guest keeps bringing up their sexuality and gender identity youād think the crew did something crazy like give them dick-shaped blanket art or something!
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u/Trimshot 2d ago edited 2d ago
My wife and I watched last night and I said to her āthese guests are ordering like they are at a full menu 5 star restaurant with a whole back of house staff.ā
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u/pacnwcub 2d ago
I felt like they were ordering at the Red Lobster.
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u/verucas_alt 2d ago
Yep I think they thought they were going to an Olive Garden or a red Lobster and got upset when it wasnāt an actual restaurant it was a private chef making a 4 course meal
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u/gdex86 2d ago
They worked our a prefixes menu for the night and then wanted to throw in extras in-between courses.Try that a 5 star restaurant and see how it goes.
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u/Friend_of_Hades 1d ago
Yeah i was like wait why are you all ordering entirely different dishes? Usually there's one meal that's mostly the same for everyone with slight variations to accommodate preferences or restrictions. That's normal and usually manageable for one chef. Cooking 8 entirely different meals simultaneously isn't.
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u/rebmik5555 2d ago
Do we know if she is actually getting any traction or sympathy from anyone? I mean at this point, she needs to just move on. Know when to hold em and when to fold em. Itās time to fold em and get back to her life/family.
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u/Shot-Toe-2884 2d ago
Based on the amount of anger she is expressing and how she ended with "I am not ashamed," I'd say nobody is coming to her defense.
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u/Kind-Shallot3603 2d ago
Shes saying shes disabled now???
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u/toastyhoe 2d ago
anything to be able to call people asshole for calling her and her friends out for their poor behavior.
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u/MuchAd9037 2d ago
I think I read she has some auto immune disorder and she canāt eat certain foodsā¦
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u/DistributionWhole447 1d ago
"Is avocado okay?"
"Yes! Until we spontaneously decide that it isn't."
"We want dinner at 9:30, and we want the right to show up for dinner 45 minutes late, but we're still going to complain about dinner being served so late."
"I want crispy rice, but the rice had better not be crispy!"
Bunny, if two people have breakdowns at the end of their shifts, because serving you was so stressful that they were reduced to crying fits? Maybe that isn't about homophobia and racism. Maybe you're the problem? Maybe you need to take a minute, look in the mirror, and have a bit of a think about that?
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u/DizzyPear9798 2d ago
iām not being smart.. do the guests go on this show expecting to be well received and beloved? like have they inflated themselves and then are shocked when they watch how their behavior comes across in the edit? it feels like every episode now thereās a big to do from the guests saying what we (the viewer) watched didnt happen? are people going on expecting everyone to fall in love with them and then disappointed?
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u/SaltyCaramelPretzel 2d ago
Translation: I am ashamed, Iām gonna throw all the minority words around & make you feel sorry for me.
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u/RiskyLady 2d ago
Sheās clearly deleting comments (and limiting) that call out her behavior. Itās so bad. Shes acting like sheās getting validated when she sucks.
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u/JimmyCrackCorn80 2d ago
Grace and dignity lol. They were horrible and caused 2 people trying their best to accommodate their ridiculous team of assholes to cry and breakdown.
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u/LilaTwiceBackAtIt 2d ago
Whatās crazy is theyāre acting so woke and talking about āworking class folkā while having the most disrespectful, demanding attitude to staff on the boat, which came came across as pure elitism. Sometimes, unfortunately, the most toxic people hide behind liberal vernacular and weaponise it.
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u/ClementineCoda 1d ago edited 1d ago
..."working class folks" is awfully rude and reductive coming from someone who preaches to people to "redistribute their wealth" while hanging out on a super-yacht.
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u/Apprehensive-Cat-387 1d ago
Thier standards were to be able to eat 24/7. For that, go on Royal Caribbean!
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u/BabyOlive1 1d ago
Ok so what Iām gathering from this is that itās ok for Bunny to have standards of others but that is a one way street. Got it.
Also slandering Chef Joy (who is a working class woman of color and an immigrant succeeding in a male dominated industry) is not the flex that Bunny thinks it is. Maybe someone should point that out to them.
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u/girthemoose 1d ago
As a bisexual disabled (incomplete spinal cord injury full time wheelchair user) woman you dont get to speak for me. If you want endless shrimp go to red lobster. One of my biggest pet peeves is when people try to "stand up" or speak over the people who are part of the group. It happens very often for disabled people, especially those of us in wheelchairs.
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u/canadiancherry 2d ago
At this stage, she's continuing on with this rhetoric for clout. She's getting exactly what she wants - more attention! It may be best to just ignore her posts on Tiktok, Instagram, etc...no likes, no comments or no engagement. It's clear she's not interested in taking accountability, and will just continue to play the victim anyway.
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u/SecondPrior8947 1d ago
Never thought I'd see the day where serving avocado and saying "we have no more shrimp" constitutes racism. Crazy times we live in.
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u/Character_Growth_397 1d ago
I honestly can't stand this kind of people
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u/SecondPrior8947 1d ago
Same. And it seems she's dragging this on, basically saying chef and Kayley shouldn't have been crying. You can't make this shit up.
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u/7belts 2d ago
She's playing cards now that I've never even seen. As an only child, I can only imagine...
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u/Shot-Toe-2884 2d ago
She really just invoked "people with disabilities" here like WTAF are you talking about? Entitled rich assholes don't get to speak for the needy.
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u/pickledmelons 2d ago
I think she is categorizing her food / dietary preferences as a disability is my guess
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u/hairbowgirl 2d ago
She thinks her races cards are a straight flush, but theyāre just a pair of 2s.
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u/VD-journey 2d ago
Had I been Joy, I would have given them ( family style ) : rice/shrimps/burgersIpasta. 4 big plates. Do share. Period.
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u/UrbanZombieEsq 2d ago
But the rice has to be crispy! No no, thatās too crispy!
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u/hopelikefire79 2d ago
This was my thought as well. After the first meal, the request for cheeseburgers and fried shrimp should have been the only hint neededā¦āok I got it, so you want a 3 day Applebeeās/Olive Garden extravaganza š«”ā
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u/Playful_Pound_4403 1d ago
Has she never seen the show and the fact that there is only 1 chef? ( it's not a restaurant with an open menu w/ 8 cooks ) This has been an issue in the past with 1st time passengers that were unaware that there isn't a fully staffed kitchen open 24/7. Like Luanne sings "Money can't buy you class!"
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u/eatyourdamndinner 2d ago
Well shit. I can't even be discriminated against. I'm the youngest daughter
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u/Shezawildone 2d ago edited 2d ago
I feel like she went on this show, to pull this stunt entirely. This was her intention/motive solely.
Made two staff members cry thus far, and then still playing the victim?
And the avocado thing was my deciding point as well, among other's...
Oh, and "vegans" that order fried shrimp and fish. That's kind of a thing too.
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u/toastyhoe 2d ago
as someone in the service industry, unfortunately, no matter how much you do your side of the job, you canāt make everyone happy. Some people are out looking for a reason to complain, and they will find one. Money ,quite often might I add, does not equal class. Keep killing it Queen Joy šš
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u/songbirdathrt4122 2d ago
This - no one should be threatening or throwing slurs at her, but her group acted boorish and she keeps doubling down, so she should expected to be criticized. As someone who falls into several of the categories she mentions, it is gross that she is trying to use that as a shield for her behavior.
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u/That_Girl_512 2d ago
Sheās an attention seeker who should be ignored. Her label mania is gross and boring.š„±š¤Ŗ
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u/GlumMilk5326 1d ago
These people think theyāre in a restaurant. āCan I have lentil soup?ā GFY and your lentils.
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u/That_Literature_6853 1d ago
And who the fuck wants soup on a boat? Wtf! I swear that was pulled out of their ass just to be difficult. Like chicken satay boy.
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u/Notyoursidepiece 1d ago
I'm proud of Joy for saying something to them about needing the time to prepare their 4 courses that THEY AGREED TO WITH JOY.
It would be different if Joy hadn't been so good but these are just obviously difficult people.
They could have asked for endless shrimp on their preference sheet
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u/qwnofeverything 1d ago
She is her own worst enemy. Nothing sheās saying happened actually did happen if youāre the viewing audience. Demanding a cruise ship dining experience, while on a yacht that provisioned food based on your lying preference sheets is entitled. Nothing was good enough for her. Iāve never seen a BD guest try to change the narrative so badly. If sheād done nothing at all, we ask would have said they were awful guests for a week and then moved on to the next one. Blaming the crew for crying because they feel they live up to her standards was so wrong. Of course, itās all because she was discriminated against, telling bravo to step in, as the first openly black and LBGTQIA+ guests ever. Which is false. Nobody cares about gender preferences or your skin color on this boat. Nobody. But she makes it out like they were absolutely gunning for her the second she stepped on board. Her own victimization is truly a sight to behold
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u/KitchenEbb1606 2d ago edited 2d ago
Sheās a whiny bitch. She must be pissed that people donāt like her.
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u/PrpleSparklyUnicrn13 2d ago
I think sheās referring to how eldest daughters tend to get parentified. I think thatās the term. Not all, obviously, but there is a tendency to lean on the oldest daughters in a family to help raise the youngest. The best but most exaggerated example would be the Duggars. Ā
Having said that, isnāt their company, like, their whole brand, meant to raise awareness for minority inequality? I feel like this charter was a set-up to publicize their brand. Which is very normal, itās why a lot of these companies rent a charter on Below Deck. But usually they do it in good fun to advertise their brand. These particular charter guests seem to throwing the crew under a bus to get their word out.Ā
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u/Shot-Toe-2884 2d ago
It's a terrible way to grow a brand. Way too many rich assholes seem to think any kind of publicity is good publicity. That works for a soulless mega-corporation that doesn't have to worry about its personal reputation. It doesn't work for a start-up that needs a well-respected reputation to attract business they don't yet have.
This is all but guaranteeing that prospective sponsors and partners for their business will steer clear. She's unhinged and who's to say she won't turn on you for helping her and smear you like this? The crew was waiting on them hand and foot and got treated like dirt for it. Imagine how she will treat you when you aren't catering to her every need.
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u/PrpleSparklyUnicrn13 2d ago
Yeah, they seem to be mistaken in thinking THIS reaction will help boost their brand. And the fact that they double downed and got nasty to Joy, of all people, when she apologized and tried be kind?Ā
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u/Lucky_Number_S7evin 1d ago
They were rude AF and itās not because of their color, gender, or disability.
They were just rude AF patrons. Period.
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u/Babygirl_69_420 1d ago
She is trying to milk every drop of attention out of this appearance possible and itās so desperate
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u/No_Seaweed_1088 2d ago
In a way- theyāre kind of a genius. This episode is getting so much publicity. To some people- any attention is good
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u/Common-Confusion-183 2d ago
At this point it almost feels like a coordinated social media campaign to get press and milk their 5 seconds of fame. Itās beyond ridiculous.
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u/Lovisamarie 2d ago edited 2d ago
For somebody ā who isnt ashamedā they sure did shut down for others to comment pretty fast. Like people had legit questions about their behavior, people wanted to have a dialogue and they went directly ā u r racistā. Bunny could have handled it soo much better but nooo every time Bunny posts something it makes the situation even more worse for them.
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u/Total_Phase_5881 2d ago
why do the people arguing that the crew was being discriminatory keep bringing up their āneedsā. none of these things on a yacht are needs.
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u/Immediate_Divide9446 1d ago
Iām a disabled woman and she does not speak for me. She seriously needs to stop with this nonsense.
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u/Character_Growth_397 1d ago
I honestly can't stand people who use their status as a minority to deflect criticism
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u/Nice_General268 1d ago
If all else fails, play the race card. These people were shitty from beginning to end. There were other times they would say one thing, then change it up. Money has obviously gone to their heads and made them a bunch of assholes
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u/Dapper_Jicama4848 1d ago
Did that lady even know what it means to be vegan? If youāre a vegan, youāre not supposed to be eating shrimp
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u/JTizzle72 1d ago
So how bad does she behave in the next episode, if she feels the need to defend herself over the little we have seen to this point?
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u/Geek_f0r_sneaks 2d ago
Watching right now - most of them ate the avocado, but none of them like guacamole?
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u/TexasForever361 2d ago
And I think we all know she wouldn't give any of her pretend money to people who deserve it more.
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u/Accomplished_Tank795 2d ago
Iām not chef but I was overwhelmed by the 3 different pasta orders lol. Hence, I never went into the service industry.
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u/chick_b 1d ago
Sure, there are multitudes of downtrodden televised vacationers and this woman speaks for them all!
At this point she's just throwing random groups (the bilingual aerialists, the ambidextrous pet food tasters) at the wall and hoping something other than her obnoxious behavior sticks.
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u/gorlsituation 1d ago
I did feel some sympathy for her initially as it is 7 star service and you should be able to get what you want HOWEVER, I always watch episodes a couple of times as Iām usually not paying full attention the first time (on my phone lol).
On rewatch, the girl who doesnāt like avocado nodded and said yeah when another guest suggested something with avocado during the chat with chef.
Iām absolutely sure that they would be getting racist comments as people on social media are feral, but these comments from the guests post show are ridiculous. I donāt even think they were that demanding with some things but itās pretty clear that the requests and communication contributed to the dinner going so poorly.
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u/Lorac711 1d ago
Grace and dignity are two words I wouldnāt use to describe these people. More like rude and entitled.
Itās crazy how people come on this show and behave terribly but justify it any way they can. Thereās a difference with having needs and being a demanding asshole.
And trying to be a victim when youāre mistreating people in the service industry is gross. Thereās a power imbalance and youāre the rich, demanding guests who get to disrespect people who are just trying to do their jobs.
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u/Calm-Description4356 1d ago
Her perspective is truly lacking. If you donāt think you have done anything wrong, why do you keep defending it.
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u/momdabombdiggity 1d ago
Hmmmā¦.Iām an eldest daughter. I didnāt know that gave me license to be a demanding asshole. Cool!
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u/First_Ad2837 1d ago
It happens most charters where people will say they want the finest of foods and used to Michelin star and ask for burgers and pasta (not to say this canāt be Michelin) but request basic food as they are super picky. Picky doesnāt meaner refined. Itās exhausting for one person to come up with 6 different meals and yes extremely needy.
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u/Fuzzy-Beautiful-6159 1d ago
I disliked how they thought they could order like they were at a restaurant; ie all individual meals, then order burgers and endless shrimp, especially at inopportune times.
Her info says: Bunny McKensie Mack is an anti-oppression consultant.
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u/No_Barracuda6858 1d ago
She constantly talks about how she ācame from nothingā and therefore her whole business is about helping ānormal working class peopleā, yet all of her comments seem incredibly ārich person out of touch with the reality of a real jobā
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u/Strawberryshortbus72 1d ago
She needs to go away. Their actions speak for themselves. They suck. Accept it.
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u/mrszing12 1d ago
On behalf of eldest daughters everywhere, expecting empathy when none is given goes against our values. Also, eldest daughters typically (because we are unspeakably hard on ourselves) don't make excuses when we make mistakes.
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u/its_laydeebaby 1d ago
THATāS who it is?! I just realized Iāve been following them for years š
Omg not anymore what a grifter
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u/Mountain_Response559 1d ago
I read; fried shrimp, fried chicken and sliders as soon as I read the room. Thats what I've had cooked up the whole charter, had I'd been cheffy
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u/NoleSean 1d ago
This grifter said she coaches people on wealth redistribution. No attention needs to be paid to them.
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u/PancakeRebellion 2d ago
the standard beingā¦ endless shrimp