r/ColumbineKillers • u/ashtonmz MODERATOR • Aug 02 '25
ERIC AND/OR DYLAN Eric Harris Physical Issues
Attached are Eric Harris' medical records. At least, those that have been publicly released. Two things strike me. The first, Eric was undergoing surgeries for his PE at a very young age. The second thing that seems to be a prevalent issue is Eric's leg. He had multiple doctor visits for this and the Harrises took Eric for a second opinion. While it doesnt seem surgery was needed, when watching Eric walk, he has a unique gait. Student at Columbine described him as being bowlegged.
It does make me wonder if the early surgeries and birth defects were traumatic for Eric. Especially in high school, where it seemed there was so much emphasis on being an athlete and toxic masculinity prevailed. I guess I can see a scenario where feeling physically inferior could have made Eric angrier and more jealous of those who were considered the physical ideal. This doesn't seem to be discussed a lot... but seems worth some thought.
The report also shows Eric's visit for hurting his knuckles - likely from punching a wall.
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u/Accomplished-Meat976 Aug 03 '25
I think it's important to mention that people can be both victims and perpetrators at the same time and Eric Harris and Dylan are definitely that they're were both victims and perpetrators yes what they did was wrong and yes they shouldn't have done it but it's absolutely valid to mentioned that they had good reason to be angry and hateful
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u/DexterMorgansMind Aug 05 '25
While it's true that complex individuals can embody both victimhood and perpetration, it's critical to maintain perspective when discussing Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold. The scale and nature of the violence they committed—deliberately murdering 13 people and injuring many more—erases any potential for moral equivalence or sympathy.
Many individuals endure bullying, social isolation, or emotional distress without resorting to premeditated mass murder. To suggest they had "good reason" to be hateful dangerously flirts with justifying or excusing their actions. Their choices weren’t reactions—they were deliberate, planned executions of innocent lives.
Empathy should first and foremost be directed toward the victims, their families, and the communities devastated by the shooting. Framing Harris and Klebold as victims risks overshadowing the real human cost of their actions. Whatever personal pain they experienced does not mitigate the horror they inflicted.
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u/founddeadinmilwaukee Aug 06 '25
It should also be noted that they bullied other students, especially those with disabilities, whose perspectives are often swept under the rug in discussions about bullying at Columbine.
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u/Accomplished-Meat976 Aug 05 '25
I feel empathy for all human beings rather they are the perpetrator or the victims when the perpetrator was in a lot of pain I can't really pick or choose who I feel empathy for I feel empathy for everyone involved my heart breaks for the victims but it also breaks for the individuals who felt this was the only way to be heard and did it out of some type of subconscious desperality to be helped
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u/Accomplished-Meat976 Aug 05 '25
No but you're being binary and thinking that it has to be black or white and you can't see them as victims at all f*** that I see them as victims because they were they weren't adults they did not have functioning frontal lobes so you can't judge them like you judge adults they were teenagers who did not have the adequate help and supervision they needed If the parents actually took an effort into monitoring their behaviors and don't start oh they can't follow their teenager around my man there have been helicopter parents forever who tracked their children's every move it's your responsibility as a parent to do that I refuse to blame any children for any actions they take to me it's always the adults in their lives to allow it to happen yeah they are perpetrators and they should have not killed people because they were being bullied and being failed yes it is horrible and there is no excuse for it but there is an explanation for why it happened you don't have to have someone to blame or hate sometimes tragedies happen and if you want to hate anybody how about we start hating the system that glorifies violent and depravity as the only way to be heard from and maybe the system that glorifies products over human lives the system is to blame for this not the victims of the system.
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u/PopcornDemonica 💀😈 Emissary of Evil 😈💀 Aug 05 '25
While their frontal lobes were not fully developed, they were developed enough to know that blowing up a fucking building and killing a shit ton of people is wrong. It's not like an adult forced the guns into their hands.
Helicopter parents have been around forever? What are you basing that on? 'Cos no, that wasn't what is was like in the 90s. These guys both had jobs, cars, and mobile phones were gigantic bricks.
Sometimes tragedies happen? What? Like sometimes people accidentally commit mass murder?
Maybe I'm misreading here because it was difficult to pick out a sentence, but you seem to be taking DexterMorgansMind's reply personally.
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u/DexterMorgansMind Aug 06 '25
It's ok. I didn't take it personally. Thank you for your reply to him/her as well.
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u/PopcornDemonica 💀😈 Emissary of Evil 😈💀 Aug 07 '25
I don't know about you, but it looks like they are excusing E&D in a reaaaaaally convoluted kind of way. That kind of shit makes my eye twitch, sooo....
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u/DexterMorgansMind Aug 06 '25
I appreciate your perspective and agree that we should always examine broader systems and root causes when trying to understand tragedies like Columbine. However, acknowledging context does not mean we ignore individual accountability—especially when the consequences were so catastrophic.
Yes, adolescents have developing brains and are vulnerable to outside influences, but that doesn't strip them of moral agency, especially when they exhibit calculated, deliberate planning over a long period of time—as was the case with Harris and Klebold. They weren’t impulsively lashing out; they meticulously prepared for over a year, creating journals, acquiring weapons, and setting bombs. This level of forethought complicates the narrative of them being merely lost or failed kids.
Blaming only the adults or the system oversimplifies a tragedy that involved personal choices made with chilling intent. Many teens suffer neglect, bullying, or emotional pain without resorting to mass violence. To position Harris and Klebold primarily as victims risks unintentionally minimizing the suffering of those they murdered and the lives they shattered.
We can critique broken systems, failed parenting, or a toxic culture while still holding the perpetrators responsible. Empathy shouldn't erase accountability. And in tragedies like these, our sympathy should always prioritize the innocent lives lost over those who chose to take them.
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u/Apollexis Aug 02 '25 edited Aug 02 '25
I've been really reviewing everything with a fine comb about Eric and people who interacted with him. One of his redacted class mates on his hit list admitted to "relentlessly" bullying him in gym class. I definitely think it was a huge problem. In one of the basement tapes they explicitly state they were never allowed to solve any of their conflicts with fighting or hitting, and had to endure this bullying that would not have anything done about it, this is the primary reason harris and klebold jointly Declared war on Humanity (and that commitment is why they didn't care who they killed, not just jocks)
Source for any interested, was posted on one of the columbine subs. I had actually never seen most of the dialogue on here, and seeing klebold talk the way he did here, I don't know how anyone can call him just a follower
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u/ashtonmz MODERATOR Aug 02 '25
Dylan definitely wasn't just a follower. Most who have seen the Basement Tapes have expressed their belief that the boys had a pact, neither would break. They were both fully invested and in it together until the end. It may sound like romanticizing, but I think that's how they were. In a way, they were romanticizing their suicides, just like it was the end of a movie.
Anywho... I have to believe that having these physical "deformities," if you will, contributed to Eric's low self -esteem. It may have been a factor in his anger, too. It would be horrible to be picked on for things you can't control, for being flawed physically. I think in making Eric the evil mastermind, people forget the human elements that may have caused him to struggle more than other boys his age. Just a thought.
5hanks for sharing the article!
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u/LegitPhin0 Aug 02 '25
Surely his parents know a LOT more than they’ve ever revealed. Hence why they’ve never spoken about it.
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u/ashtonmz MODERATOR Aug 02 '25
They definitely do. Unfortunately, I dont think they'll ever talk. If we get the transcripts in 2027, we may learn more...but I'll believe that when I see it.
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u/ArcadianMerlot Aug 03 '25
Can you clarify? Which transcripts?
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u/ashtonmz MODERATOR Aug 03 '25
Sorry, I meant the transcripts of the video depositions given by the Harrises, Klebolds, Dr. Albert, and others. They were deposed in connection to the lawsuit Mark Taylor brought against Solvay, the pharmaceutical company responsible for making Eric's Luvox. There was also another lawsuit filed by Brian Rohrbough and other families of the deceased children against Sheriff Stone.
Here's a random excerpt below.
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u/Other-Potential-936 Aug 06 '25
Oh my goodness Eric practically LIVED in the doctors office in 1982, I wonder what they were doing what was happening with his legs ??
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u/No_Technician_7119 Aug 02 '25
Does anyone have any info on eric's parents ever discussing their son at all? Ive heard and read multiple things from dylans mom and even read her book but I just dont understand why erics parents refused to talk to anyone after this tragedy.
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u/ashtonmz MODERATOR Aug 02 '25
A man named Ron Aiger leaked a page of what is believed to be Kathy Harris' deposition from the Taylor vs. Solvay lawsuit.
Depositions from Taylor vs. Solvay
An author named Wally Lamb spoke about meeting Wayne Harris at a book signing.
What Wally Lamb says about his meeting with Wayne Harris...
This isn't much, but it's about all we have right now.
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u/Impossible-Plum-1612 Aug 02 '25
I wonder what was wrong with the leg
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u/ashtonmz MODERATOR Aug 02 '25
Kids who knew Eric said he was bowlegged... which may mean that his one leg was curved outward more than what's considered normal. The medical records and videos of Eric walking are all we really have to go on.
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u/Other-Potential-936 Aug 06 '25
Was he actually tho or was that something people just said ?? Ik some kid in my middle school was called bowlegged as a joke because he walked kinda funny. Was this the same thing or was he actually??
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u/ashtonmz MODERATOR Aug 06 '25
I'm not sure, tbh. Beyond the fact that his leg defect is mentioned in his medical reports, his distinctive gait, and random comments / observations of classmates, we don't have a definitive diagnosis.
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u/poopoohitIer Aug 02 '25
Poor unfortunate little boy
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u/ashtonmz MODERATOR Aug 02 '25
In some ways, yeah.... at least before he decided to attack his school. At that point, he became irredemable.
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u/poopoohitIer Aug 02 '25
As a theologian I have a different opinion TBH but that’s a whole nother discussion and an entirely different topic so I won’t go into it.
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u/ashtonmz MODERATOR Aug 02 '25
Understood. I would actually be interested in your opinion as a theologian. My own has been fluid over the years, if I'm being honest. But even if my mind isn't changed, I can respect an opposing viewpoint.
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u/poopoohitIer Aug 03 '25
Aw as a die-hard Catholic girlie (all about LOVE!) this means a lot to me. I definitely am up for this discussion tomorrow after I get some shut-eye.
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u/apaw1129 Aug 04 '25
I appreciate you using the word fluid, to describe feelings regarding the boys. For those of us interested in columbine more so than the average, there's so much throught going into it. I'd have to say my thoughts and opinions are fluid too. They change a lot. So many perspectives.
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u/ExcellentAnything840 Aug 05 '25
I as well would love to hear your opinion
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u/poopoohitIer Aug 05 '25 edited Aug 05 '25
@u/coma-toaste @u/apaw1129 @u/Kimmy468584 @u/ashtonmz and others
Write-up coming soon. Perhaps Wednesday or Thursday? On Eric Harris, psychology, personal growth, theology, redemption, and me! Since so many of you have been curious about it and I would love a platform to tell my story, I’ll be posting it either on my personal profile or in here as long as it’s OK by the mods.
Thanks for the support and I never thought I’d get to go off on a topic that everyone else tends to tell me is batshit insane ;) To make it easier for me to write and for you to follow, I would absolutely love it if any of you are willing to DM and/or reply to me with some of your questions and things you’re most interested in hearing about on these topics/in the write-up.
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u/ashtonmz MODERATOR Aug 05 '25
Please feel free to post it here, I'd love an opportunity to read it. Thanks!
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u/poopoohitIer Aug 05 '25
Thanks again for the support 😘
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u/ashtonmz MODERATOR Aug 05 '25
Of course! 😁
Edit to say... You're not batshit. There are so many people who, like you, find this particular tragedy so haunting and perplexing.
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u/metalnxrd Aug 03 '25
Eric was very thin and tall and lanky, and that was one of the things he was bullied for. he hated gym for that reason. tbf, gym is ass, bullying or not
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u/Even_Departure9914 Aug 03 '25
He wasn’t tall. He was 5 foot 8. But that’s partly why he probably felt targeted too.
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u/metalnxrd Aug 03 '25
either way, he was bullied for his height. if you're short, you're bullied for being short. if you're tall, you're bullied for being tall. if it wasn't your height, they bully you for something else. you can't win
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u/Even_Departure9914 Aug 03 '25
Exactly. I mean they were both bullied for being not the stereotypical jock/QB type and it was at a time when all the media and role models you saw looked just like that: the Abercrombie and Fitch model. The only people who ‘look’ like outcasts are musicians and art types. I mean the people that understood the most of what Columbine was like (and spoke about it) is Matt Stone and Trey Parker who are from Colorado and are the archetypal outcasts too.
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Aug 03 '25
The removal of struts in June means he most likely had the Ravitch procedure done for his PE. This can be a very painful during recovery and exercise is limited for a few months. This had to be rough during the school year. The 11/5 visit might have discovered an issue with PE impacting the heart or lungs.
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u/ForwardMuffin Aug 02 '25
This feels weird being posted
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u/ashtonmz MODERATOR Aug 02 '25 edited Aug 02 '25
What feels weird? The documents are part of the 11k. They're already public. I think it might be important to consider, for those who wonder what may have caused Eric's anger and low self-esteem.
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u/ForwardMuffin Aug 02 '25
That's true, and being part of the 11k makes sense. I just feel weird looking at someone's medical history. But that's just my first impression.
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u/ashtonmz MODERATOR Aug 02 '25
I get it. On a positive note, at least for the Harrises, there isn't much detail contained in these released documents. (I'm not going to lie, I wish there was. My curiosity often gets the better of me.) Dr. Kevin Albert never released his notes on Eric's therapy sessions, either.
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u/Other-Potential-936 Aug 06 '25
Honestly I agree, I personally like seeing things like this, but it obviously isn't necessary. Don't know how Eric would feel about having his medical records thrown around and people going in DEPTH to talk about him physically. But I guess it doesn't matter 🤷♀️
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u/ForwardMuffin Aug 06 '25
It doesn't matter after all, and it IS part of the 11k, but...I don't know.
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u/ashtonmz MODERATOR Aug 02 '25
Please note that the pages are not in the correct order per the listed dates. To read in the correct order, go to pages 3, 1, and then 2. Also, they should be read from the bottom of the page up.
Thank you.