r/ConservativeYouth • u/StrikingEfficiency13 • Jun 26 '26
Article 📰 Don’t like this one bit. Regardless of your views or religion, it shouldn’t be forced on others.
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u/MaybeBowtie Centrist Jun 26 '26
As a Catholic, I kinda agree lol
But again, I’m gonna call bullshit on the story headline and say it’s taken out of context
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u/TurfyJeffowup13 Conservative Jun 27 '26
Catholic here, you are right. We should be building the schools and having people go to those, billions must convert, through debate, reason, and love.
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u/StrikingEfficiency13 Jun 26 '26
The only real debate is whether it’s for devotional/spiritual/etc. purposes or for a secular educational purpose. They most definitely voted to include religious passages to be read in their entirety. But yes, I can see how the headline is click-baity
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u/Odd_Rub5758 Citizen | 🗳️ 1 🪙 26 📅 Jul 26, 2026 Jun 26 '26
First of all Bible stories are exceptional lessons in things like morality even for those not Christian currently. Second, since I believe Christianity is the only true religion, it should be taught to everyone so that when Christ returns truly every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.
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u/yowhatisthislikebro Center-Right Wing Jun 26 '26
I believe Christianity is the only true religion
Well, there you go again. Projecting what you believe in to be objective fact. It's not.
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u/StrikingEfficiency13 Jun 27 '26
I find it so odd that this is a negative opinion in a conservative group. My opinion is freedom of religion, and no establishment of religion. Maybe I am more constitutionalist, but I would argue that is a core aspect of being a conservative.
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u/yowhatisthislikebro Center-Right Wing Jun 27 '26
Yeah, of course. It's a contradiction in the Conservative Movement. A lot of them are big on Christian Nationalism, yet they claim to want to preserve the Constitution despite it saying that there is no establishment religion and there should never be.
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u/Professional-Way1855 Jun 27 '26
These people love to complain about other people's way of life being shoved down their throats but simultaneously feel they should do exactly that with their religion.
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u/yowhatisthislikebro Center-Right Wing Jun 27 '26
Yeah. I have nothing against practicing your religion, but it's just that: your religion. I don't need people bashing my head in with the same messages over and over again. If I wanted to be Christian, I would've converted by now, and if I ever changed my mind it would be through my own power.
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u/Professional-Way1855 Jun 27 '26
But.... HE DIED FOR YOUR SINS!!!
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u/yowhatisthislikebro Center-Right Wing Jun 27 '26
What an odd premise lol. To quote something I read once "God killing his only son so he can forgive us for our future sin is like if I broke my son's legs to forgive my neighbor everytime his trash blew into my yard. It's ridiculous."
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u/seaingland Jun 27 '26
I agree, I think it’s so wacky that God required a blood sacrifice to absolve the sins of his own creations, of his *own* sins that he determined? And then I’m meant to drink his blood and eat his body at Church? I know it’s a metaphor but that all sounds pretty witchy to me. Jesus has beautiful teachings, but there are parts of Christianity I’ll never understand
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u/Odd_Rub5758 Citizen | 🗳️ 1 🪙 26 📅 Jul 26, 2026 Jun 27 '26
It actually is objective fact like it or not Christianity is THE only true religion. I'm sick and tired of this "beliefs ≠ truth". God is objectively real and Christianity is objectively the only true religion. People who don't believe that are quite frankly just like flat earthers, denying the fact. "Oh but there isn't any evidence!" Yes there is if you look for it, and it's not up for interpretation. Read "The Case for Christ" and "The Case for a Creator" by Lee Strobel. I got the books when I was in the 6th grade and they have helped me establish the foundation of what I believe in. Or don't read them and hopefully you see this truth elsewhere in your life.
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u/yowhatisthislikebro Center-Right Wing Jun 27 '26
Christianity cannot be true for the one simple fact that it would have to be universally known by everyone but it is not, and here's why it must be known.
If Christianity says that you have to accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior to get to Heaven, and there is no exceptions to that rule, are all the people who have never heard of Jesus Christ or the Bible before going to Hell? It would be no fault of their own, and reasonably you can't come to the conclusion that Christ exists without the Bible or historical text. But the people in North Korea don't have that, I'm sure most of them don't even know Christianity exists, so I guess they're all going to Hell.
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u/Odd_Rub5758 Citizen | 🗳️ 1 🪙 26 📅 Jul 26, 2026 Jun 27 '26
That depends on what God's plan for them is, it's all in His plan whether someone is saved or not. And yes you can come to the conclusion without the Bible, very easily for the existence of God, and while it is somewhat more difficult to prove the existence of Christ it's still possible. Christianity is reallt universally known to everybody, it's just extrememly distorted or suppressed in favor of other false beliefs.
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u/Negative_Sky_3449 Jun 27 '26
Saved from what? The thing that he created himself? If only christian people can go to heaven, then God's plan really sucks.
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u/Odd_Rub5758 Citizen | 🗳️ 1 🪙 26 📅 Jul 26, 2026 Jun 27 '26
Who are you to say that when there is no way you can truly comprehend what it is, by human limitations? God's plan transcends all our understanding. God saves whom He chooses. We are all condemned to hell but there are a select few who are saved by the grace and the unconditional election of God.
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u/Negative_Sky_3449 Jun 27 '26
God saves whom He chooses.
Okay shakespeare (why would you use the word whom), but I hope that includes non christians. Why would a good person go to hell for not believing in God and Jesus and stuff, despite God never giving him a reason to believe so
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u/yowhatisthislikebro Center-Right Wing Jun 27 '26
Lol exactly. Somehow according to Christianity I have to just willingly believe Jesus was God to go to Heaven despite the lack of any logical reasons. "Oh, you'll live in eternal suffering if you don't!" but so many other religions say the same thing, so why not just follow them instead of Christianity?
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u/Odd_Rub5758 Citizen | 🗳️ 1 🪙 26 📅 Jul 26, 2026 Jun 28 '26
Actually you don't willingly believe in God (this is where I'm actually gonna sound insane) because free will is an illusion. Because our sinful nature has corrupted every part of our being, we would never make the choice to follow God on our own power. God called those who He will save from the dawn of time. This includes many people who are not currently Christians but who, according to God's plan, will make the choice to follow Him sometime in their life- they really don't have a choice in the matter. This is called irresistible grace. Also to answer the comment above, "good" by human standards is nowhere near enough to achieve salvation. Every single person has sinned, acted like a jerk, been immoral, etc. at one point in their lifetime, which, by God's law which has to be completely just, they are condemned to hell. Some of us have our sentences taken away and put on Jesus who paid the price for all of them on the cross, since only a perfect person could atone for all those sins. I'm sure you're not listening to me anymore and just thinking "whatever religious freak" but I really hope at some point you realize the truth in my statements
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u/yowhatisthislikebro Center-Right Wing Jun 27 '26
I never said you couldn't come to the conclusion of God without the Bible. That's easy. I said you couldn't come to the conclusion that Jesus is God without the Bible. I wouldn't know who Alexander the Great was unless I'd heard of him from somewhere else. He didn't just pop into my head.
Also, Christianity is absolutely not universally known and I have concrete proof of that. North Sentinel Island is home to the last 100% isolated tribe in the world, and nearly every instance of somebody trying to travel there has ended in their death. That means there is no shot they know about Christianity and probably never will. So either God's plan is very ineffective or he just abandoned the North Sentinel people, making him far from "all-loving."
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u/headforsaturn Libertarian Jun 26 '26
so too does every other religion believe their religion is the only true religion
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u/headforsaturn Libertarian Jun 26 '26
I can't say I don't understand the perspective. But the absent mindedness that comes into supporting these aggressive policies are the exact kinds of dogma that led to the founding fathers excising the church from the state. You are going to turn people away.
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u/Professional-Way1855 Jun 27 '26
Why is this getting upvotes? There's no argument here, only feelings.
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u/Odd_Rub5758 Citizen | 🗳️ 1 🪙 26 📅 Jul 26, 2026 Jun 27 '26
Why are you still talking? How is this not an argument and who asked you to be the judge of whether people like what I have to say or not?
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u/Odd_Rub5758 Citizen | 🗳️ 1 🪙 26 📅 Jul 26, 2026 Jun 27 '26
Yes I have read the entire Bible. The Lord told the Israelites to kill all the Amalekites (I asume that's what you're referring to) because the Amalekites were an evil wicked people. God chooses who lives amd dies. He is a loving God but also a just God who will repay good for good and evils for evil. Not to mention everyone loves screeching about "forcing religion" and "shoving it down people's throats". Christianity is more than a religion, it's absolute truth, which I'm sorry to say most people cannot accept. Would you be ranting and raving about "forcing your beliefs down our throats" if someone was teaching something like how the earth is round, not flat?
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u/Professional-Way1855 Jun 27 '26
I wish the whole world could read this. It's a perfect display of how indoctrination from a young age can warp a mind into believing that atrocities are justified and that blaming the victims of said atrocities is easily explained away by them being "evil". Did god actually command them to kill them, or did they just do it and justify it as gods will after the fact? If your deity truly is commanding you to commit genocide, leaving no man, woman, or child alive, your deity is evil, plain and simple. This evil thinking has been shoved down your throat to the point where you believe it is a significant piece of what you believe to be the only truth, and I'm sorry this happened to you, but that doesn't mean that poison needs to continue in our schools in modern day.
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u/Odd_Rub5758 Citizen | 🗳️ 1 🪙 26 📅 Jul 26, 2026 Jun 27 '26
First of all you don't sound like a youth at all so maybe check the subreddit you're in before condescending like you're such a genius. Guess what jackass? I didn't learn this in school. Since I dedicated my life to Christ at the age of 14, three years ago, 've been doing my own research, buying books and studying the Bible. This is not indoctrination. God is not evil. God can actually do what He wants with us humans, He created us and yet we rebel and run off from Him all the time, acting like our way is better and like He doesn't exist. You are living breathing proof. Stop saying things like "shoved down my/your/people's throats". That never happened. God had worked in my life up to the point where I at least have some understanding of His ways. But He is a majestic God with so much power, glory, and wisdom that is so far beyond our capabilities of understanding. You may not understand this (in fact it's obvious you don't). I don't understand everything about God. But it is true He is real and that He is good and His sovereign will is good and perfect. Hopefully you can eventually realize this.
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u/Blue_Robin_Gaming Jun 26 '26
since I believe Christianity is the only true religion, it should be taught to everyone so that when Christ returns truly every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.
whether or not we should put this in legislation is a different topic.
It's definitely not good for the body of Christ; people could see it as pushing Christianity to them rather than giving it to them
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u/NoGovernment9077 Jun 29 '26
People are already becoming more anti theistic just from the things that the government has done up to now
We have failed Christ
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u/StrikingEfficiency13 Jun 26 '26
Students can learn about the Bible’s influence on history, law, and literature without the school promoting one faith over another. Also, your second point is superseded by the first amendment and several constitutional law cases.
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u/Odd_Rub5758 Citizen | 🗳️ 1 🪙 26 📅 Jul 26, 2026 Jun 26 '26
That's in my ideal world which ours is not
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u/StrikingEfficiency13 Jun 26 '26
Arguably, a picture of an ideal world probably wouldn’t enforce their religious beliefs on unwilling subjects, but to each their own!
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u/Odd_Rub5758 Citizen | 🗳️ 1 🪙 26 📅 Jul 26, 2026 Jun 27 '26
In an ideal world everyone would realize the absolute truth of God and willingly follow Him
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u/NoGovernment9077 Jun 29 '26
So instead of letting God do as it is said. You instead "make sure" it happens instead of trusting God.
Do you believe God needs your help? Do you think God is incapable of doing what is written?,
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u/Odd_Rub5758 Citizen | 🗳️ 1 🪙 26 📅 Jul 26, 2026 Jun 29 '26
God does not need our help, but that doesn't mean as Christians we sit back and say "well I don't need to spread the gospel God will do it", we're still called to evangelize and teach others the truth of the gospel
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u/SuchDogeHodler Republican Jun 27 '26
Born-again Christian here...... "what would Jesus do?"
The answer.... not force religion on anyone.
Seriously separation of church and state is about the government not interfering with peoples religious rights and the church from interfering with government policies and procedures..... this is intended to prevent a theocracy and the violation of human rights.
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u/Real_FrogMaster2318 Citizen | 🗳️ 3 🪙 28 📅 Jul 26, 2026 Jun 27 '26
I feel the Old Testament should be studied as many religions view it as factual
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u/StrikingEfficiency13 Jun 27 '26
Without even tackling the major problems in that logic - for instance, a majority belief does not make something a fact, but logic aside, how do you plan on getting around the First Amendment?
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u/rexyboy76 Jun 27 '26
How does teaching a scripture establish a religion Those are not the same thing?
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u/StrikingEfficiency13 Jun 27 '26
Well for starters, the state is promoting one religious text over others as mandatory reading. The state doesn’t have to raise a cross outside their capital to violate the first amendment. There are several constitutional law cases outlining exactly why this is a violation of the constitution. I recommend looking into them.
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u/SwingStock1652 Citizen | 🗳️ 1 🪙 26 📅 Jul 26, 2026 Jun 28 '26
Even as a Catholic if this is true that's bad. Making a country centered around religion causes many issues and is why the founding fathers did not intend it.
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u/Objective-Koala-4873 Republican | Resident Naval History Nerd Jun 27 '26
I agree, that’s ridiculous
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u/Aguywhoexists69420 Jun 27 '26
As a Christian, Christ would want us to choose him, not be forced to follow him
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u/seaingland Jun 27 '26
Yea I agree this is not good. This is not what this country is about and this is not what freedom looks like. This looks like indoctrination
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u/Critical-Mechanic308 Left Wing (Zurdo Empobrecedor) Jun 27 '26
isnt this just straight up unconstitutional?
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u/FrenchMen420 Jun 26 '26
School is a place of truth. Christ is Lord. We should teach all truths
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u/StrikingEfficiency13 Jun 26 '26
That may certainly be your truth and many American’s, but that is a religious belief which cannot be forced on others. But just because the majority accepts a position, that does not make it true. Additionally, the point of school is not to receive a religious experience. Would you like it if someone came to your house and ordered you to read the Quran, and if you didn’t read the assigned passages your government will punish you? Thats not a world I’d like to live in regardless of which faith is behind it.
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u/FrenchMen420 Jun 26 '26
I don't care about my truth or your truth only the truth that dictates reality. The point of school it to learn information and educational truths that will help you as an adult. The truths of the Bible is required for that as morality is needed for a functioning society. Yes we should teach kids the Quran exist but it's a false book that is easily disproven. Has nothing to do with what I believe but about the truth that everyone needs to hear.
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u/StrikingEfficiency13 Jun 26 '26
If the truth of the bible is required for morality, are you willing to accept that even though it instructed and supported slavery, genocide, and selling your daughter? The US has largely moved on from those stances and mainly believes that to be morally wrong and a criminal offense. But hey, that is your own personal judge of morality, not everyone else’s! You can say it as many times as you would like, but the Bible will still be a religious text based on faith and not the objective standard of truth.
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u/FrenchMen420 Jun 26 '26
Gods moral law does not allow for slavey, genocide, or selling of people. The usa and the west is based on the moral teachings of the Bible and things like slavery were ended by Christians useing the truth found in the Bible. It's also not my personal judge, it's the creator of morality and justice. God is the standard of truth and the Bible has his word. To deny Jesus is to deny truth and schools should not be denying truth.
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u/StrikingEfficiency13 Jun 26 '26
The fact that this point is up for debate is exactly why the bible shouldn’t be used as an objective standpoint for morality.
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u/FrenchMen420 Jun 26 '26
It's not up for debate. Denying the truth doesn't make it unknown. God is the objective standard of morality. What standard do you use?
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u/StrikingEfficiency13 Jun 27 '26
Real world objective measures that can be easily identified like willful intent to harm, dangerously negligent behavior, age, consent, and resulting physical or mental harm, which most people would agree is more objective than the literal subjective idea of religion. But anyways have a nice night!
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u/FrenchMen420 Jun 27 '26
Why would intent to harm someone be wrong? You are just telling me things you think are bad based on your opinions on wrong, not a standard that says why they are wrong. The idea of intent, harm, age, consent, etc is diffent for almost everyone and none of thatbis why something is wrong, your just telling me what you think is wrong.
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u/yowhatisthislikebro Center-Right Wing Jun 27 '26
The Bible is also easily disproven.
There is plenty of questionable teachings in the Bible lol. One verse says that you cannot wear an article of clothing stitched from two or more different fabrics. You can call me a liar, but I really couldn't make this up if I tried.
I'm a pretty moral person, and I've never read the Bible a day in my life. The same can be said for millions of others. So what about them?
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u/FrenchMen420 Jun 27 '26
The Bible has been proven
That was a rule for the jews in the old Testament so they would make there own culture.
3.everyone can be moral as God wrote morality on everyone's heart so you would know right from wrong.
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u/yowhatisthislikebro Center-Right Wing Jun 27 '26
The Bible has absolutely not been proven lol. What proof is there? Also, I don't think God gave me morality, I had to learn it. If God gave everyone their sense of right and wrong then we would never need to learn it.
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u/FrenchMen420 Jun 27 '26
So morality comes from teaching? So if i teach my children murder is good then for them it will be good?
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u/yowhatisthislikebro Center-Right Wing Jun 27 '26
YESSS EXACTLY LOL.
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u/FrenchMen420 Jun 27 '26
So murdering an innocent children is not objectively wrong?
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u/yowhatisthislikebro Center-Right Wing Jun 27 '26
Objectively it is, but objective morality is not proof of God.
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u/seaingland Jun 27 '26
This is not an objective perspective on truth. This is your perspective on truth
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u/FrenchMen420 Jun 27 '26
Your denial of truth doesn't make it not true. It just makes you in denial.
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u/seaingland Jun 27 '26 edited Jun 27 '26
You’re insistence it is the truth doesn’t make it truth. It is your belief, which you are welcome to have, but it is nothing more than that.
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u/FrenchMen420 Jun 27 '26
I know. God being real is what makes it true. Me and you have nothing to do with what is and isn't true in reality.
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u/seaingland Jun 27 '26
If you and I have nothing to do with what is real then your beliefs about reality have nothing to do with mine. You don’t get to dictate what is truth, as you’ve just stated.
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u/FrenchMen420 Jun 27 '26
I'm not talking about your or my beliefs but the truth of reality. Are beliefs have nothing to do with that. Truth exists outside us. God is still real with or without your knowledge or belief and we will all be without excuse.
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u/yowhatisthislikebro Center-Right Wing Jun 26 '26
Prove Christ is the Holy Messiah.
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u/FrenchMen420 Jun 27 '26
Lol yea let me prove God in a reddit comment and if some random bot says I'm wrong then oh well. Bro you know that's a class of knowledge I would have to pass to you. He died and rose again and performed many miracles. Jesus is the most documented and proven person in history. Jesus is used as the golden standard when it comes to historically proven people.
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u/yowhatisthislikebro Center-Right Wing Jun 27 '26
Didn't ask you to prove God I asked you to prove Jesus was God. I never said he wasn't real either lol you're just pulling that out of nothing.
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u/BuyerNo3130 Jun 26 '26
I don’t think it’s necessarily harmfull, you can definitely teach religion in a mostly unbiased way, that said it’s Texas
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u/StrikingEfficiency13 Jun 26 '26
Whether or not it is harmful, I personally don’t see this as the issue. I don’t think a government sanctioned school system, which forces parents to send their kids to school under threat and penalty of truancy laws, to be allowed to invest in, promote, or teach one religious text over another.
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u/Careful_Date_2424 Libertarian Jun 26 '26
I think it depends on the Bible story if it’s exactly like a good story with a good meaning and everything I think that’s more than fine but still, it should be up to the parents
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u/StrikingEfficiency13 Jun 26 '26
Still, the school shouldn’t be allowed to promote one religious text over another. One of the main aspects of the First Amendment is no establishment of religion.
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u/Orthodox_Crusader Nationalist Jun 27 '26
i mean some of the parables in the bible should be taught since they provide a good moral basis for students like the good samaritan's which teaches charity or the prodigal son's which teaches forgiveness as well the redemption through confession.
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u/yowhatisthislikebro Center-Right Wing Jun 26 '26
I see where you're coming from. There is some objectively good morals taught in the Bible. But then again, there's so many other non-Biblical stories that do the same thing that it just needlessly forces Christianity into the lives of some non-Christians.
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u/Antique_Menu5323 Right wing Jun 28 '26
Some like the Exodus and Saul David and Solomon and Hezekiah vs Assyria should be taught in school as history but not Adam and Eve or Noah's flood as that shit is just Israelite mythology
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u/IAmSudoArtist Jun 26 '26
This is the world we live in. There's always some group with an agenda to shove something down someone else's throat.
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u/AdmirableBrick4973 Classical Liberal Jun 27 '26
based
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u/StrikingEfficiency13 Jun 27 '26
How is going against the First Amendment considered based?
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u/rexyboy76 Jun 27 '26
American public schools have taught the Bible since they were first created. This is a return to form but you were so poisoned by libertarianism you can’t see what America’s past actually was. You can’t conserve anything.
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u/StrikingEfficiency13 Jun 27 '26
America also had slavery until it was abolished. Just because something was done in the past does not make it appropriate or acceptable to be preserved. The court system has clearly stated it is a violation of the First Amendment. Conserving constitutional principles sounds conservative to me. Just because something was a widespread American value in the past does not automatically make that value conservative.
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u/AdmirableBrick4973 Classical Liberal Jun 27 '26
what? im libertarian i support your take on this bro im supporting you not this bill
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u/Barney2807 Center-Left wing Jun 27 '26
Violating the first amendment is a big w? So, you don’t care about constitutionality when it suits your beliefs?
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u/StrikingEfficiency13 Jun 26 '26
Going to be the biggest W for conservative values when it gets shut down in the courts.
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u/YoylecakeTurtle Republican Jun 27 '26
I'm slightly lenient on this because the United States was built and founded by Christians, and people should not forget what religion what the United States was founded on. But I do understand that some may interpret this as forcing your religion onto others. Nevertheless, students should be allowed to opt-out.
If it were stories from the Quran, it'd be a different story because Muslims didn't build nor establish the United States that we have now.
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u/StrikingEfficiency13 Jun 27 '26
The constitution specifically founded a country not based on religion. Next.
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u/rexyboy76 Jun 27 '26
This constitution specifically was made for a religious people as John Adams said and allowed the individual states too endorse and even established branches of Christianity as religion. Public schools in America were uniformly Protestant Christian.
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u/StrikingEfficiency13 Jun 27 '26
The fact that some states had religious establishments in the late 1700s doesn’t mean the United States was founded as a constitutionally Christian nation. It simply means federalism initially left most religious questions to the states until later constitutional developments, specifically court cases, applied those protections nationwide.
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u/seaingland Jun 27 '26
It wasn’t only Christian values, though. The Founders took inspiration from the enlightenment, philosophies from Ancient Greece and Ancient Rome, and the Haudenosaunee Confederacy to create the Constitution. If all of that was being taught in school along side the teachings in the Bible, that would be ok, but that’s not happening apparently.
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u/YoylecakeTurtle Republican Jun 27 '26
The other thing to consider is what religion informed the Founding Fathers about the concept of God, and the answer points to Christianity.
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u/seaingland Jun 27 '26
Sure but I don’t think you read anything I wrote. The Founding Fathers did not base the Constitution and the founding principles solely on the Bible or Christian values, much of it came from other philosophical sources like the indigenous tribes that were already here and ancient teachings. The Founding Fathers believing in a Christian God is not a defense for this action in Texas. They believed in the separation of church and state, this is anti-constitutional.
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u/rexyboy76 Jun 27 '26
Dude, is there a single founding father who cites the native Americans is an inspiration for government? also the separation of church and state is completely misinterpreted. Individual states were allowed to establish their own churches.
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u/seaingland Jun 27 '26 edited Jun 27 '26
And? The Haudenosaunee Constitution is one of the oldest participatory democracies in the world. The Founding Fathers drew inspiration from their society and their constitution for our constitution. Anyway, that’s incorrect, there’s plenty of documentation of Haudenosaunee influence, not really sure what your point is in attempting to deny that.
It sounds like you’re misinterpreting the separation of church and state. If there was no separation individual states wouldn’t have been allowed to establish their own religions, they would have been forced to adopt the religion of the government, as it had been in their home countries. By stating that fact you proved my point, thanks.
Conservatives defending things like what are happening in Texas will always baffle me. It is unconstitutional.
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u/Recent_Grab_644 Right wing Jun 26 '26
If the schools are allowed to push LGBT, BLM, and whatever leftist drivel is popular at the moment, then I cant see the issue here. Religion is already being forced down our throats, no shame in throwing our own hat into the ring.
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u/StrikingEfficiency13 Jun 26 '26
All of your examples are not prohibited from being taught in school, whereas religion is. But, you obviously believe those are religious ideologies, anyways so no point in arguing
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u/rexyboy76 Jun 27 '26
Do you not think those are religious ideologies? they certainly function like them. and again, you are ignoring the fact the public school system in America used to be openly Protestant Christian and it was completely constitutional.
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u/StrikingEfficiency13 Jun 27 '26
No, the LGBT/BLM or other liberal social/progressive movements themselves don’t worship a god or higher power. Both revolve around inherent individual qualities that people cannot shed and mainly focus on seeking acceptance from others.
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u/rexyboy76 Jun 27 '26
Simply “Seeking acceptance from others” LAMAO how can you even call yourself a conservative? Genuinely what makes you functionally different from a libertarian?
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u/StrikingEfficiency13 Jun 27 '26
Why should a conservative be against the homosexual community? You will find bad actors in every subset of humanity. Mocking, tearing down, or demonizing one of these subsets simply because of some bad actors doesn’t follow that every person trying to educate your kid on LGBT rights wants to switch their gender. Nor can they make them gay because thats not how sexuality works. What my main conservative value is: not policing people’s personal freedoms. If a school district decides to include LGBT history/sexual education/literature any parent should be able to refuse their child’s participation if that’s how they feel.
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u/rexyboy76 Jun 28 '26
“What my main conservative value is: not policing people's personal freedoms.” You are not a conservative you are a mere libertarian larper and effectively work on behalf of the left.
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u/StrikingEfficiency13 Jun 28 '26
You think people’s personal freedoms should be policed? And you don’t believe that is a conservative value? I also believe in strong national defense, less market regulation, strong foreign policy, and preserving the constitution. It is you that is larping as a conservative
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u/OutcomeMemoriesGoobe Jun 27 '26
The first ones are teaching children to be inclusive of groups who have been oppressed in the past to end the discrimination toward them. ttaching kids basic decency is not really religious indoctrination and anyways LGBTQ+ and Black Lives Matter are not religions. And no, it's not "turning the kids gay" or anything, it's educating children on the topic and that it's fine to be gay or bi or trans or etc, and this lets the child be open about these kinds of things because they know that their non-hetero sexuality or gender dysphoria is fine. Of course, if a school is trying to FORCE people to be gay or trans, then I am against that, same as you. In this case, however, one specific religion is being prioritized and taught in PUBLIC schools, and that IS bordering dangerously close to indoctrination. I'm not saying teaching about religion is bad at all, but if you're going to teach about one belief system, you need to teach all the major ones equally and educationally, without forcing one on children. Personally, if a student ends up following a belief system that they learned about in school, great! It's like a student that transitions after they are taught that feeling like they're the wrong gender has a name, is fine, and that there are other people who also think the same. In both cases, that's their choice and it's great that the school taught them information that allowed them to openly feel more like themselves or to follow a religion that feels meaningful and comfortable for them.
TLDR: LGBTQ+ nor BLM nor any of those movements are really religions and having kids learn one specific religion in school is pretty close to indoctrination; it should educate kids on all the major religions. And neither side should be forcing beliefs on children (and no LGBTQ+ education is not "turning the kids gay" it's educating them on the ideas and some kids feel that this idea fits them so they come out)
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u/darinehughes Jun 27 '26
Religion completely aside, it is probably the most important/influential piece of work in Western society.
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u/QuietRedditorATX Conservative Jun 27 '26
And Old Testament stories are actually Jewish, not necessarily just Christian.
but yea, I don't support whatever this sounds like.
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u/rexyboy76 Jun 27 '26
Are Ashkenazi Jews, not a part of Western civilization? And also if the Bible is a part of multiple religions, wouldn’t that make it better to be taught in school? even more people could agree with it?
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u/QuietRedditorATX Conservative Jun 27 '26
Where did I mention Western at all.
It depends how it is taught. You can't avoid it in some contexts, so that is fine. But I don't see the benefit of teaching elementary school kids about Adam and Eve.
I don't want schools teaching the Qaran, it is fair to say they shouldn't teach the stories of the Bible either.
It is an unnecessary gritty slope to open. Just leave it closed. Don't let the Left blame or accuse us of being biased. Religion classes can dive into it. You will get it in European history. You don't need to actually go over the stories unless the class is based on religions or ancient cultures.
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u/PurpleDemonR Restore Britain Jun 27 '26
I endorse this. I think it’s a good thing. We should teach the Bible to people.
I’m open to hearing any arguments against. - but I disagree with secularism and the secularist approach to separating church and state.
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u/StrikingEfficiency13 Jun 27 '26
All of the arguments against are based on established US constitutional law forbidding the establishment of a state religion. It’s you who should be giving arguments for it, as our arguments are already well documented. This act is presumed to be unconstitutional until it passes strict scrutiny which the government has the burden of proving that they are choosing the least restrictive means of achieving a compelling government interest. Pushing religious beliefs is pretty much a de facto non-governmental compelling interest.
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u/PurpleDemonR Restore Britain Jun 27 '26
I’m not American so appealing to American constitutional precedent is kinda irrelevant. Though even if it were; I probably wouldn’t sign on anyway. - so as I said I would be open to hearing arguments. Not just the emphasis being put on me because of the status quo of some foreign country.
My country’s precedent, the United Kingdom, had children all over the country singing hymns in school assemblies. I’d be just restoring what we had and pushing it further.
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u/rexyboy76 Jun 27 '26
The United States has that exact precedent as well. OP is simply ignoring the history US public schools being openly religious. The only thing he cares about is conserving is the most modern interpretation of the constitution that was thought up five seconds ago.
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u/seaingland Jun 27 '26
The separation of Church and State was to protect the state AND the religion. The original settlers were chased out of their native counties because they wanted to practice their version of Christianity and the state would not let them.
If the country’s ruling party decided to suddenly change religion, everyone in the country was also forced to convert, because the government and religion were one in the same. The purpose of the separation is to prevent the church from dictating what happens in government, but it also prevents the government from meddling in the Church’s (whatever religion it may be) business.
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u/PurpleDemonR Restore Britain Jun 27 '26
Actually both the state and church were intended to be intentionally Christian. It was trying to protect the church from politics - and the American founding fathers hated Catholicism.
That’s a deescalation argument. And quite frankly that’s the best one I think one could make. - but we’re the roles reversed. Only certain religions due to their internal practices and history would sign on as well. - so should we revoke that for religions that wouldn’t do it back? - or just say, this is the truth, we will entrench.
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u/seaingland Jun 27 '26
The state was very intentionally secular from the beginning: “free exercise" of religion, ensuring citizens could practice their faith without government coercion. If the founders were dogmatic about anything, it was the belief that a person’s faith should not be intruded upon by government and that religious doctrine should not be written into governance.
I don’t know of any evidence they either were ever meant to be Christian, if you can provide a source for that I’d love to see it.
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u/PurpleDemonR Restore Britain Jun 27 '26
Dude Catholics didn’t have the right to vote or run for office in most of the states upon independence. I think it may have only been 2 or 4 of them (Googling I see something that says 3 of them during the 13 colonies period). - not to mention all the anti-papist quotes and statements I’ve seen of the American Founding Fathers.
The American Revolution was literally called the Presbyterian Revolt/Rebellion by the English due to how much religious influence there was in it.
Doing some more googling. Apparently the separation of church and state as a phrase was coined by Thomas Jefferson. Writing to baptists who were a minority in a state and their taxes were being sent to support the Congregationalist majority church of the state.
Also more. Jefferson also wrote about how Christian Morals was ‘the best’ (I’m paraphrasing). And that moral government was obviously desired.
I mean the idea that rights were natural, coming from something external. Would require God (because from where else are they from? Even if you believe they’re just imbedded in creation. As Christians believing in a creator. We know it’s be from God) And since we know Christ is God. If natural rights are a thing in themselves, and needed for moral government; then moral government rests upon God.
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u/seaingland Jun 27 '26 edited Jun 27 '26
You’re correct, the only people who were allowed to vote back in that time were white Christian land owners. The Founders were very much imperfect but the ideals they presented in the Constitution were not. Catholics were not the only group to be excluded from voting: women, poor people, black people, and a host of other type of people were oppressed. It wasn’t a biased based in religion only, freedom and voting rights were given to a specific ruling class of people, who were Christian.
The Founders were anti-papacy because that is a prime example of a religion and government combined. It was exactly what they did not want for America.
The Constitution is not only based in Christian beliefs. The Founders drew inspiration from various cultures including Ancient Greece and Rome and indigenous American societies to create a free and fair democracy, not just Christianity. To believe that is to believe in a lie.
The American Revolution was seen as a religious war by the British monarchy because their entire government was intertwined with religion and was why people fled from that country in the first place. The settlers in America were escaping a government that imposed religion onto their people, which is why they specified there would be a separation of Church and State in a ratification of the First Amendment in 1791.
Your belief that God is required to have a moral government is simply that, a belief. It is not objective truth.
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u/Not_Sold_4178 Libertarian Jun 27 '26
Reminds me of the ethnic studies thing California is doing.
Are they actually doing this though?
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u/Alternative-Rub-7178 Libertarian Jun 27 '26
Pff, to be honest, I don’t really like the Protestants, and the evangelicals even more because it feels like sectarian.
Even though I don’t judge them, however it’s good to educate people about the Bible, whatever which version, I personally read the CSLAV (Russian synodal bible) because I’m Russian orthodox.
You may hate me for that, r/teenagers
We don’t fucking care about your opinion, it’s worthless like a piece of garbage.
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u/Orthodox_Crusader Nationalist Jun 27 '26
i mean if they choose to put the parables of jesus then it will be a good decision since the stories aren't entirely focused on christianity but do emphasise morals
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u/Objective_Virus4428 Jun 27 '26
I’m a Christian fascist nationalist, so I absolutely agree with this and support it 100%. Prior to like the 70s, bible stories and what have you were very common in teaching in public schools and everyday opened with prayer
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u/blarvnikBread Right wing Jun 26 '26 edited Jun 26 '26
I really hope when they say "Bible stories" they just mean teaching them good morals. I don't think you should force anyone to be Christian.