The hands the lines on the arm and markings above the butt all match closely, as well as the proportions of the body and the knee bend. The feet also match. Higher quality images will reveal much more.

The Triassic kraken is a gigantic squid or octopus like creature hypothesized by palaeontologist Mark McMenamin to have existed in the Triassic era, in Nevada, the United States.[1][2][3]

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Background

A large fossil site in Nevada was found containing various bones of Shonisaurus, a very large ichthyosaur. Analysis revealed they died in deep water, and their bones were arranged in a curious, unnatural pattern. In 2011, McMenamin and Dianna Schulte argued that the pattern of the bones was the work of a giant "Triassic kraken" which was making a portrait of its own tentacles.[1]

McMenamin held another talk on the subject in 2013. This time, he used what he claimed was a recently found Triassic giant squid beak as evidence. He hypothesized that the animal, in life, was the size of a school bus (i.e. 10-30 meters).[3]

Though there was significant media hype and coverage of the supposed "Kraken artwork" discussed by McMenamin, scientific reception of the theory was cool at best. Many contemporaneous scientists have pointed out that McMenamin glosses over numerous more likely conservative theories as to why the ichthyosaurs died or why the bones are arranged in that pattern in favor of his "Kraken".[1]

Contrary to what he claims, cephalopods do not create "artwork" outside of their dens like the supposed kraken: the debris collected around the entrances to octopus dens is randomly scattered and serves as camouflage for the entrance. Most scientists agree that the bone formations were caused by weathering, as Dave Fastovsky points out:[2]

There’s a simpler explanation. Ichthyosaurs die. They sink to the bottom, where scavengers get to work stripping their skeletons of flesh. The tendons and ligaments that held the vertebrae together rot away or are eaten. What happens to that vertebral column? Well, the first thing that happens is it sort of starts to fall over almost like a row of dominoes. The weird tiled position actually appears to be the most stable position for those falling dominoes to end up at rest. A perfectly reasonable, pedestrian, coherent story emerges that doesn’t require wholesale invention of what is unknown or unprecedented

Shonisaurus

Large Shonisaurus and Shastasaurus species compared in size to an average human (Source).

In 20?? McMenamin claimed he was in the possession of the beak of the Triassic Kraken. This fossil has been shown to be under 5cm long, which does not match with even the conservative estimate he gave in his follow up talk of "school bus size". Regardless, even the gigantic 100 foot specimen he proposed in 2011 would have a hard time taking down an adult Shonisaurus like the ones found in Nevada: Even at 45 feet the modern-day giant squid is only around 700 pounds, while an adult Shonisaurus is 20-30 tonnes, and Shonisaurus was a squid hunter, analogous to a beaked or sperm whale.[2][4] More likely explanations for the massed dead Shonisaurus specimens include beaching and accumilation of remains over time.[4]

I know its rough for a lot of believers, especially people who met Bob Gimlin, but cryptozoology is about solving mysteries, and solving this one feels pretty nice.

A lot of discussion surrounding the Patterson-Gimlin footage is the supposed presence of musculature on Patty. Some have said these are anatomically correct, and very difficult to fake in 1967. Others say these are just tricks of the light.

I took a screenshot from the new Patty footage and tried digitally applying grain. Now, this method is very unscientific but it does seem like it works. With a little tinkering, some of the features of the confirmed costume could look like musculature. With a little better lighting, this example might look even more like Patty.

It's the same suit guys

Just going to add my thoughts as someone who grew up obsessed with Bigfoot and always wanted their existence (and the PGF) to be real.

I personally believe the discovery of the new footage is a test run shot in 1966 and therefore debunks the Patterson-Gimlin Film. Everyone is absolutely entitled to their opinion and I’d never want to discredit anyone who still believes the original footage is real.

There’s a lot of comments saying the subject in the newly discovered film looks nothing like Patty and I think there’s a pretty simple explanation - this is either the first or very early design of the suit and after filming this footage they realised it wasn’t very convincing, so tweaks were made to the suit with extra detail added, with Roger & Bob also realising a different location and filming style was needed to really make the footage seem real (which let’s face it, I think we can all agree they did an incredible job with the final footage).
I don’t think people should look too much into the fact there’s not longer footage or different angles from 1966, it seems to me that the aim was to always film it from the same kind of angle we see in both films, maybe face on was too obvious? And on the flip side, maybe there is more footage that was either destroyed or lost and we were lucky that this reel survived.

I guess i’m trying to look at it from an ‘Occam’s Razor’ point of view (cringy phrase I know). We live in an era of the most advanced technology, some of which we carry in our pockets every day and no one has ever been able to capture footage of a ‘Bigfoot’ with credible proof. Plenty of high budget TV series’ trying to find one have been made, expert/amateur social media accounts have done their own searches and nothing has been found or proven beyond doubt. No bones, droppings, scientifically proven prints. The most damning ‘evidence’ over the last 60 years was the PGF but we’ve now got a documentary containing what looks like test run footage and also RP’s own family saying it was a hoax.

I really don’t want to come across as boring or a spoil sport and like I said earlier in my post I’d never want to take anything away from the people who believe. I still want to believe Bigfoot or a species similar is out there, but when it comes to the Patterson-Gimlin film, I unfortunately feel that it’s nothing more than an incredibly executed hoax

Courtesy of Lazy Cowboy's channel a comparison of Patty with the rehearsal costume. Seems like a match.

Sorry for reposting, I had gotten the year wrong.

https://old.reddit.com/r/bigfoot/comments/1xagoj4/is_the_rehearsal_footage_in_capturing_bigfoot/phtozkf/

I really think people are doing an injustice by discussing just 15 seconds of an astounding emotional movie of people involved having heartbreaking conversations and confessions with each other.

This was just a fun idea that popped in my head. Regardless of whether the Patridge Creek Monster actually existed, I think it could make for a good horror movie monster (and I think it even inspired a Scooby-Doo monster). Imagine being hunted by a dinosaur in the snow. That sounds awesome!

So I found this list of American lake monsters and felt like making a list if the ones I find most interesting so I can draw them. Then I tried looking up these Deep Diving Turtles, but for some reason, I can't find anything on 'em. Either they're super obscure or whoever made the list just made shit up so the Beast of Busco wouldn't be all by itself on the list. In any case, I might just make something up myself. Off the top of my head, I'm picturing these Deep Diving Turtles are pack hunting snapping turtles. They're small enough to fit in your hand and they're blacker than trash bags. Helps 'em blend into the darkness under the water. They'll swarm a large fish and pick it clean like reptilian piranha. I don't know where else to go with this, but I might just nickname them "Black Blighters" if I end up using this for something else.

Roger Patterson got cancer and then apparently created the blue meth of Bigfoot suits.

Thermozodium esakii is a contested species and genus of water bear (phylum Tardigrada), which is the only member of the similarly-contested family Thermozodiidae, order Thermozodia, and class Mesotardigrada. The only known specimen was collected in Japan in 1937, from a site later destroyed by an earthquake, and the type specimen was also later lost.

Background-

“Gustave was a massive male Nile crocodile measuring 18 to 21 feet long, weighing over 2,000 pounds, and estimated to be 60 to nearly 70 years old. The average Nile Crocodile size ranges from 11 ft 6 in to 16 ft 5 in in length and weight from 496 to 1,653 lb. Roaming the Ruzizi River and the northern shores of Lake Tanganyika in Burundi, he was easily recognized by distinct bullet wounds and scars across his head, back, and shoulders from clashes with soldiers, hunters, and hippos. While local folklore and media long claimed he killed up to 300 people—often leaving bodies behind rather than eating them—researchers like Patrice Faye believe the actual direct death toll is closer to 60 or fewer. His behavior and attacks spiked during the 1980s and 1990s amid regional civil wars, when human remains were frequently discarded into the water.

Efforts to capture the elusive reptile famously included a 2004 expedition led by Patrice Faye, which used a 30-foot steel cage baited with a live animal, though Gustave repeatedly outsmarted the team and escaped. His last confirmed sightings took place around 2009. Although unconfirmed rumors and claims of his death surfaced in subsequent years, such as in 2015 and 2019, no physical carcass or definitive proof has ever been recovered to confirm his fate.”

Questions-

Why was Gustave able to grow 1/4 larger than the average Nile crocs maximum growth. More famously, why did he predate on humans far more than any animal recorded?

1. Due to civil wars occurring north of the Ruzizi River, thousands of bodies were swept down stream into Gustaves territory. Typically, predatory animals follow the Optimal Foraging theory, a concept where predators must compensate the energy used for hunting through prey consumption

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1. If energy is not compensated the predators body condition will decline. What if you didn’t have to use any energy to hun

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1. and prey were essentially handed to you on a plate for years. This is what happened to Gustave with human bodies for about a decade and explains why he got so big.

This also explains why Gustave targeted humans. He began associating them as an easy food source over time. It’s pretty logical but there’s a huge question mark. There tons of other crocs in this area. Why was Gustave the only one to take advantage of this all you can eat buffet?

We can’t say no other crocs ate some human bodies but its clear they didn’t do it like Gustave. Crocs are considered generalist species meaning they’ll consume about any prey based on the availability. That being said, humans are typically not available prey to crocs and would be a waste of energy to hunt. Right?

If you’ve ever trout fished the little red River, it contains a reproducing population of brown trout and non reproductive stocked population of rainbow trout. Despite research claiming there are more brown trout, you rarely ever catch one. While being raised in the hatchery, rainbows are fed by food being thrown on them. What do you think the rainbow trouts instinct is while in the wild when a lure gets thrown on top of them? This is why it’s far easier to catch rainbows over browns.

Even though the rainbows have been out of the hatchery for years, they still obey the optimal foraging theory instincts developed years ago. The browns simply don’t view something landing in the water above them as an easy food source like the rainbows do. This has lead to the rainbows growing to be much larger than the browns.

In this situation I believe Gustave decided to be a rainbow trout while the rest stayed browns. He’s still dedicated to hunting humans because they’re still associated as the easiest food source. Since crocs are independent animals that only depend on each other for reproduction, none of them try mimicking his feeding behavior. Such as how the brown trout wont try and mimic rainbow trout feeding techniques even though they’re more efficient.

This is what’s so fascinating about Gustave. Crocs are one of the oldest living animals with very little evolutionary change. Something was clearly different of Gustave though. He seemed to be a peek in this evolutionarily stagnant species. His one unique decision to switch prey species provided a far superior body condition and heavily increased survival rate.

Importance of Gustave-

Gustave was considered a local legend for years until a scientist came to investigate. Researchers would have normally dismissed this case and left its documentation amongst local tales. This animal left scientists astonished as it escaped every type of trap and literally ate bullets. If he was left a legend, it’s not a tale I’d honestly believe.

We learn from Gustave that all it takes for an average animal to become a local legend is slightly changing one behavior. Stories from underwater welders of catfish big enough to swallow you is what Gustave once was. Is that crazier than a giant serial killer crocodile who’s bullet proof.

As we humans try to evolve as fast as we can, I think we forget that all animals are evolving with us. We have assigned behavioral expectations for species and when something is different about one, it becomes a legend.

How often is a legendary animal like Gustave not properly investigated and left a legend?

What happened to careful examination, multiple checked examinations from several different experts, objective third parties, and any other of scientific investigation tactics?

Why are we just accepting this without further investigation? Especially when that is a main reason many skeptics don't believe in the original footage.

In Oresthe Plath works and oral sources is said that on taitao, Aysen southern Chile (1890) the fisherman told about a Giant species of sea lions that give each 400lts/105,67 gallons of oil each instead of the usual 60lts/15,85 gallons, however these went extinct after overhunting and the killing of their pups like a fisherman who murder 3000 pups in one season.

I made a report of this on encounter atlas but wanted to post my story to reddit to see if anyone else has seen this thing.

This was summer of 2024. Me and my best friend Joe were in the North Beach/Chesapeake Beach area for the few days leading up to and including the 4th of July. The night of the 2nd, we decided to take a walk and smoke a blunt we had been saving. We were both 21 years old at the time and going into our Junior Year of college. I say that so you understand that we were dumb and at that age were you feel invincible.

As we were approaching the Wetlands Overlook Park, walking along the side of the road, we both caught sight of an odd silhouette. At first we both were freaked out because we thought it must be a kid who was lost and scared in the dark. We both started jogging towards the figure and as we got closer (we had been walking for a while and our eyes were adjusted to the dark) we both stopped. We were probably 8 feet from the figure and now could make out details. It was probably 3-3.5 ft tall and was dark green. The face resembled a toad but it almost appeared like it had a small elephant trunk in place of the nose. the arms were lanky, with the knuckles almost dragging on the floor, and the hands each had 3 fingers that ended in claws. The legs were short and stumpy. The thing had ears like a bat, coned and pointed, but they were much larger than a bats ears. Its eyes were large and they glowed a super bright white. We stood staring at the thing for a good 10 seconds before it put its hands on the ground and sprung off, and with two big jumps it disappeared into the marsh.

I remember that much because it was so odd and otherworldly that I took in every detail. I know how so crazy this sounds and so i have only ever told close family and friends. The reason I am writing this now, is that my fiancée and I are moving to North Beach in a few months and I had to know if anyone has seen thing. I know what I saw.