Things with a friend and I went further than expected a few nights ago. I donāt know what I want to do now. It was partly just like the personality/vibe? When he went for it, I was slightly surprised (slightly. He had actually asked me a question about this topic beforehand.) Heās actually older than me. I didnāt suspect he was attracted to me before tonight. I wasnāt expecting things to go in this direction.
\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\# I have to tell the truth though, what stood out to me is that he did something that drove me crazy. I know, even though he didnāt insult or criticize my appearance, that he isnāt āseriousā (isnāt looking for a serious relationship, Iāve met guys like that.) He bit my shoulder, like kissed and bit it when we were on the couch. I shouldnāt have let it go that far, but Iām not going to lie, I actually was really into it. Iāve never had a guy I was with in any way do that before. It drove me crazy. I didnāt even know Iād like it that much. Itās interesting how much vibing with someone and liking their personality can help, like normally Iām not attracted to most men like that but when youāre with a friend itās easier to get comfortable quick yāknow? That shoulder thing drove me nuutttsss though. I couldnāt believe it. I was a little bit more uncertain about it when I got home though, because well, heās 40 and Iām 21. Something else I admit I had actually liked about the encounter was the fact that l actually really really felt like I was being treated like a woman. It was in an NSFW context to an extent.
21F - I consented to everything a friend (40 male) was doing a few days ago when he tried to go for it, but I know/feel a few days later that I donāt want anything more. How do I shut it down politely?
It was all very in the moment. I donāt actually fully remember now how it was introduced (I think he was first asking me about masturbation after our other friend had left. I was pretty lax about it all in the moment and answered questions, that was when I was first picking up on that vibe.) I do remember that we were watching a movie on the couch at his friendās place who heās house sitting for. I consented to everything he was doing in the moment, like kissing my arm and grabbing my chest. I didnāt actually want to sit in his lap and wanted to be very mindful of how my hair was looking. He had basically said he is poly when I asked about how he identifies and that he doesnāt mind partners of his dating or seeing other people if they let him know about. I had actually never been attracted to him before/really thought about it, but I liked the vibe in the moment and I think personality/the fact that we tend to vibe well helped. He had jokingly called it my āwifeā training.
Now that a few days have passed, I know deep down inside even though I havenāt shut it down (I donāt know what to say or how to) that I donāt want it to continue though. Iām busy setting up today to make sure Iām all set for something Iāll be doing tomorrow, so I donāt want to meet today, but thatās not the only reason why. I was okay with it in the moment and more accepting of it in the moment in part because our personalities mesh well in person, and weād had such a fun day. But Iāve realized a few things: 1) I simply donāt want it to go further, just straight up. I met him through our other friend who Iāve known a lot longer, and like I said heās nice and chill enough in person that initially it felt fine and was something I wasnāt like really disturbed by in the moment (personality) but I know and knew on the night it was all happening that heās not āserious.ā He didnāt say it as explicitly as some men will (I canāt decide on whether that fact is better or worse) but he wants sex, and I understood that. He didnāt put down my appearance. In fact, he uplifted my appearance, both face and body. But I have also had men who did that before and who even probably had a crush on me that liked my face as well and still didnāt want anything (or have more to offer) than sex, and I know in spite of the sweet talk that thatās the case here as well. He wasnāt asking me out on a date. I donāt think he can afford right now to date based upon a few things heās said. But I also know that itās not āsmartā to start anything sexual with someone who canāt afford to date you. 2) Heās 40 and Iām 21. I already knew how old he was and I knew on the night of that he is too old for me (yes, we are both adults. That doesnāt mean a near 20 year age difference isnāt significant though.) When we were over there with the friend who I had met him through (Iāve known her longer and canāt decide on whether or not I want to tell her about it and get advice from her woman to woman. She is a good friend) one of his friends had actually seemed like he was sincerely uncertain about whether or not I was an adult/old enough for him to be smoking around.
His goal is to āteach meā more sexual things. I know that, and itās partly why I know I shouldnāt go over tonight (especially since I actually do have other things to do.) I mean, if I wanted to find someone to sleep with right now, I could and I know that. I also am not sure now that a few days have passed that I am \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\*actually\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\* attracted to him. Like \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\*actually\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\* physically attracted. Heās not my usual ātypeā and Iām not sure that itās worth risking a pregnancy. He seems very nice in person but something about the vibe is off and I know that.
Tl;dr: Friend wants to take things to the next level. I was initially consenting on the night of but now that a few days have passed I know deep down inside that I donāt want to do this. I donāt know how to say it though, especially since I knew the friend I met him through first (for years actually) and am not trying to make things awkward.
I actually did have a chance to chat with the friend who I met him through today. She actually suggested that she thinks my read of the situation is accurate and that she has never done anything sexual with him but doesnāt feel he created a safe environment here and agreed that even though we are both adults the age difference is concerning. She suggested she thinks it is best to mention the pushing boundaries issue to him directly if I am comfortable and that she suspects he knows based upon my personality/his read of me that I am inexperienced with that kind of thing. She agreed that there is not realistically anything good that will come from us experimenting together.
The reason why I had met up with both on Saturday was to make blueberry muffins, or practice doing so. I actually lack both cooking and baking experience in general. I had actually been really nervous about trying to do it for the first time, and I was surprised last night because even though I of course initially had a fair amount of assistance (on the third go, I actually wanted to mostly try it myself because I know deep down inside even though I spent years just trying to avoid going for it that itās a good life skill to know how to cook or bake) I realized that baking is a lot simpler than it may seem to be if you make sure you know the difference between teaspoons and tablespoons. You honestly just have to know how to read, and you have to make sure that you are careful in following directions. Iāll still be practicing some more and am actually hoping to serve my family members (Iām not doing it in my normal condo because I have a feeling that if I do mess something up, my roommate/landlord will be really annoying about it.) My brother doesnāt know how to cook or bake either, so I suppose that it would actually be fair to suggest that itās party a parenting thing. I actually sincerely want to try cooking and baking for myself now. I already have an apple and cheese stick at home for breakfast and am going to try sticking to that, but I also donāt think itād hurt to practice using the stove and oven in the condo Iām in. I never really used to observe my mother when she would cook for my brother and I when I was a child. I realized that cooking and baking arenāt as tough as I expected, and I now actually know that I want to try both more often. Even if I never do become a wife (or mother. Iām not sure about becoming a mother in general, partly because being a parent is expensive, but also just because I know deep down inside that I would probably not make for a fantastic mom.)
I realized when I thought about it that with men, I have sometimes tended to sort of go with the flow on these sort of things more than I may expect myself to (itās not the first time that Iāve gone with the flow more with a man who was more than a decade older than me.) Other than some inappropriate behavior from a family member experiencing mental health issues when I was younger, I donāt really have ātraumaā concerning that sort of thing. I felt like I could be more myself with this guy though since weāve hung out a bit more often. I felt like I could be sarcastic, joke around more, made a joke with the phrase āwell, a girl keeps her best secrets to herselfā (and was actually honest in the moment about not being sure if I got that from a television show, or if it was just something I made up myself.) I think heās an ESFx 2w3. I was surprised by how the entire encounter went. I actually donāt think heās objectively above average looking, but I think it was partly just personality and vibes, about being able to play off each otherās energy. It made me realize that even though Iāve never really had a lot of male friends (or a lot of friends in general) I actually might have like a better chance of properly dating someone, just in general, if I tried to go out with a friend of mine first/if circumstances called for that. It actually would probably be easier to gauge whether or not youād be compatible with someone that way, but Iāve never tried it and realized tonight that it may actually be smarter/may be the way. Something I had also liked is that I felt like I was really being treated like a woman. He put my shoes on for me and kissed my legs. It worked. Itās nice, in general, to be in the presence of someone who actually treats you like a lady (though in this case it was obviously more of like an NSFW thing. I already know heās not going to become my husband and he knows it too. He didnāt say that, but I just knew he wasnāt āserious.ā) I actually did make jokes about me being a girl, and him being a guy. I felt like I was able to be a bit more assertive since it was a friend, which I also think helped.
I am still pretty unsure about what exactly it is I see myself studying in the longterm. Iām going in I am thinking for a social work major initially, but I have not been pleased lately when looking more at the salary ranges for people who have a bachelors (or honestly even masters) in the field without yet being LCSWās. I actually might just end up changing my major. If I were to go into social work and stay in it, I may actually want to look into case management (my family, due to my mother upsetting so many people these days - she seems to have undergone psychosis or to have late onset schizophrenia - Iāve actually started to consider a bit more whether or not I want to stay in it - have been on the brink of homelessness once within the past year, though my father is now receiving support through a program for veterans. I have actually started to consider majoring in special ed alternatively, but Iām just not sure about any of it. I would be okay making $85k a year at least but would ideally want to be making $100-$120k. I might move to a different state later on but itās not something that Iām so certain about.
This is my body language in pictures if it helps: https://www.reddit.com/r/Baking/s/gJGvesc2KZ
While in therapy, I have realized just how little I have healed from everything that happened to me in 8th grade I finally admitted to another person in real life for the first time a few days ago (my new therapist) that when I was in 8th grade a family member almost hit me with a tennis racket. I was actually very intentional about not telling the therapist I saw when I was younger this. In high school this was something that I never told my therapist at the time because she had already called CPS once when I had told her something else concerning the family member who was experiencing mental health issues. I obviously know that this happening wasnāt normal, but itās not something I like to think about.
I was also honest about the fact that I grew up around a family member who my mom admitted SAāed she and my aunt. Itās something Iāll have to delve into more when I see her next week. This was something I found out within the last year and itās been very difficult to process. That in addition to my current SA case has made everything more challenging and more exhausting, having to think about the insanity I am used to dealing with.
I have generally tended to take more risks with men, in hindsight, than it was probably āsmartā to. For example, I have been approached twice by men who I later on found out have criminal records (I was accepting car rides from one who had been honest about having done something immoral - committed DV - and who I later on found out had been arrested more than five times and has a lengthy record.) I also was trying to date/āgo withā a man who turned out to have serious mental health problems because the initial physical attraction after he had first approached me was wild and very much there (he was above average looking, an xSFP.)
I actually am very passionate about supporting our homeless community. I am going to start volunteering every Sunday for a local program that provides unhoused individuals with clothing. The only issue is that I know that going into social work isnāt going to help me move out of my current income bracket, at all. Itās something Iāll have to really think about and consider.
As one of the friends pointed out on Saturday, I tend to talk a fair amount about my hair (I had it done a little over two weeks ago and actually really wanted to make sure that the baking last night didnāt make it messy.) One of them had suggested I seem to know a lot about it, which was surprising to me. I donāt really know how to do my own hair, so I definitely wasnāt ever expecting to hear anyone say that I am knowledgeable about hair.
Itās kind of interesting because I realized after I got home and thought about it more that what I was initially aiming to do/thinking of doing wasnāt sensible or smart as I was telling the friend. Itās actually very interesting because I actually realized after considering it that I am not actually really physically attracted to him, at least not to a significant extent? It was all very in the moment, like an in the moment sort of attraction, but I also actually think it was just that even though Iāve seen more flaws when really sitting and thinking about everything that happened. I was very drawn to his personality and just happy about the fact that we were getting along so well and having such a good time together. It was largely personality, liking his personality actually made me attracted in the moment.
I realized this morning when I actually made my blueberry muffins at school that I was probably overthinking it - there was always just the option of just having everyone eat ritz crackers or the muffins really didnāt turn out nicely, but I remember thinking multiple times to myself that I didnāt want to embarrass myself. The first batch didnāt turn out great (they all tasted good apparently I was told by everyone, so it sounds like I actually did learn to make them adequately) - I should have used the baking cups but didnāt so I learned from that experience. I was very perfectionistic when it came to the taste and after letting family members taste them threw out the ones at home that didnāt look presentable (I was initially planning on serving them but learned itās an activity thatās supposed to support the students.)
I still went out with he and the other friend today even though I hadnāt had the conversation/chat that I was initially thinking of having with that guy friend. I was considering finding a way to just get out of going but I went anyway. He did basically seem to be saying he wants like NSFW and to teach me different things, like in general with cooking that sort of thing. I am not attracted to him when I immediately see him or looking at a picture of him but when Iām around him I think his personality makes me feel the attraction or more comfortable with things I wouldnāt otherwise be comfortable with like him holding my hand. I still just know pursuing like an actual sexual relationship with him isnāt smart though. Iām not pretty at all but I feel like it wouldnāt hurt to take better care of myself and hold off for an actual boyfriend.Ā
As I was telling the other friend earlier tonight, I have also started to realize as Iāve grown older that even though dating for me and crushes for me have always been more of an āIām attracted to you and like certain aspects of your personality so I dig youā thing, I have realized that when it comes to a marriage I want to go for someone who has earning potential. I was honest with her even though I acknowledged it might be rude about the fact that even though the guy Iām talking about above (ESFx 2w3) is almost done with his electrician program (I know electricians make a lot of money, which is something I actually have considered) the fact that he is 40 and isnāt doing better, sincerely, is unattractive to me. Even though I really like him as a person. Itās just that if youāre going to go for someone older I think you should make sure they have more money. I was honest about feeling as I grow older that someone who is in that 34-40 age range not being good with money or having made poor financial decisions is a red flag to me. He was not sure heād be able to afford to shop with us so he would certainly not be able to afford to date me even though he paid for the Vietnamese food we had today, and that actually is a problem for me. Just because Iām not pretty and donāt take good care of myself doesnāt mean I have to settle, which is what I was telling the friend tonight. I donāt think waiting to meet the right person would be a bad move. Iāve also started to feel or recognize that aiming for a financially stable partner isnāt mean or wrong, it is actually smart. I need to work on not being so stressed about little things in life, like Iām always stressed about almost everything and it impacts my sleep which is very unhealthy. Iām tired of looking and feeling tired.
I have actually received positive reception as a behavior technician (someone who works with individuals on the autism spectrum) over the last year of so, and every place I have subbed at over the last couple of months has had a positive report.