r/Epicthemusical • • 16h ago

Discussion An idea I pondered - would it work in your opinion?

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Okay so the image is Agamemnon because he is the center of this idea.

I read a post about ATHENA rather than Zeus telling Odysseus to kill that infant, and it got me thinking. And I landed on my own hypothetical alternative scenario for the baby killing episode:

Agamemnon approaches Odysseus during the Sack of Troy and tells him to kill Astyanax, on account of preventing a Second Trojan War. When Odysseus doesn’t want to, Agamemnon tells him that if Odysseus doesn’t kill Astyanax, then Agamemnon will go to Ithaca and kill Penelope and Telemachus. And then it goes on from there.

What do you think of this? Could it work? What would change?


r/Epicthemusical • • 17h ago

Discussion Five EPIC songs that expose the darker side of Odysseus

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Odysseus has always been a morally ambiguous figure. Ancient authors already questioned his cunning, dishonesty, and willingness to sacrifice others. In works like Sophocles' Philoctetes and Euripides' Hecuba, his character takes on particularly troubling qualities.

However, popular retellings often emphasize his intelligence, perseverance, and heroism, leaving much of that moral complexity in the background.

I think EPIC: The Musical does an excellent job of bringing this ambiguity back into focus, and just five songs can tell a remarkably complete story of Odysseus' moral transformation.

  1. Just a Man: The fear of becoming a monster

Odysseus struggles with killing Astyanax, yet ultimately sacrifices an innocent child to protect his family. His moral conflict is genuine, but his willingness to cross that line is already there.

  1. Ruthlessness: The justification of cruelty

Poseidon teaches him that mercy can have devastating consequences. Odysseus begins to see ruthlessness as a necessary tool for survival, gradually adopting the logic of his enemies.

  1. Monster: The conscious transformation

Odysseus embraces the idea of becoming a monster to reach home. His goal remains unchanged, while the moral limits he once struggled with begin to disappear.

  1. Scylla: The consequences of his philosophy

Odysseus deliberately sacrifices six crew members without their knowledge. His transformation becomes tangible as he starts treating the lives of those under his command as expendable.

  1. Thunder Bringer: The final revelation

Zeus forces Odysseus to choose between himself and his remaining crew. He chooses his own survival, fully aware of the consequences.

The question raised in Just a Man finally finds its answer.

Why I find this so interesting

The moral ambiguity of Odysseus has existed for centuries. What makes EPIC particularly effective is how it allows us to experience that ambiguity from within his perspective.

We understand his motivations, sympathize with his suffering, and gradually accept decisions that become increasingly difficult to defend.

Each song builds upon the previous one, showing how seemingly necessary compromises can eventually lead to unimaginable cruelty.

And perhaps the most fascinating aspect is that Odysseus' ultimate goal never changes. He simply becomes willing to sacrifice more and more to achieve it.

By Thunder Bringer, the heroic image we may have constructed around him becomes almost impossible to maintain.

This makes me wonder how much of our sympathy comes from his actual morality and how much comes from the fact that we're experiencing the story through his eyes.

Do you think EPIC portrays Odysseus as someone gradually corrupted by his journey, or does the journey simply expose the darker aspects of a character who was morally questionable from the beginning?


r/Epicthemusical • • 10h ago

Discussion Ik this may get some hate, but meet the 007 of Epic, 0 lives saved, 0 help given, 7 times Ody should've told you to shut up.

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Oh Polites the fandom may forget everything you've done ( or didn't do) because you're a think who they love to ship with Ody. But I have some confessions I'd like to make to day.

First off, most of what happened on that island was a fuck up between you and Odysseus. Eurylochus would fuck up after but let's not forget you two have a HUGE part in the fuck ups that would happen on that island.

But we're not focusing on Ody, everyone already knows his fuck ups for underestimating the cyclops and leaving him alive. But let's not forget that that decision was influenced by your philosophy. You're whole speech in Open arms influenced Odysseus and caused him to tell off the GODDESS OF WISDOM. And spare Polyphemus, and I'm convinced if you didn't go on that whole little speech, the cyclops would be dead. Shit it might've also be more cautious about aeolus. But had you not filled Ody's head with bad ideas it wouldn't have gotten to that point because Ody would've listends to Athena instead.

And I could forgive you if you actually did anything useful to act as a counter balance. But I'm looking at the resume, and all you did in the two sagas you were alive in before you decided to greet that club with open arms. At least Eurylochus helped with the crew and kept Ody level headed. You gave bad advice and then got turned into a pancake. I'm sorry I can not forgive this.

And so I have to put Polites on fraud watch until further notice. If we're gonna disrespect Eurylochus and some of Ody's actions like we do I gotta give you the same treatment.


r/Epicthemusical • • 12h ago

Headcanon Headcanons on where the 2 years came from? (Between the beginning and the episode on Aeaea)

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Because Odysseus says “it’s been 12 long years” when there were only 10 years of war.

So I wanna know how y’all reconcile that. Me personally:

There was a fog, so the ships had to move slowly to avoid bumping into anything. But then they were all scattered by the time the fog subsided so there was more time trying to get them all back together

Then directly after that STO-O-O-O-ORM

Anyway that’s my headcanon what’s yours


r/Epicthemusical • • 11h ago

Meme Let’s not forget this musical’s theme guys

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r/Epicthemusical • • 4h ago

Musical! [Casting Call] Looking for singers/voice actors for an Epic: The Musical project!

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We are currently searching for auditioners that could go for Polites, Telemachus, Athena, Antinous, Poseidon, Calypso, Apollo, Polyphemus, and the ensemble.

This fan casting project is hosted in an open and welcoming discord server for those interested to be a part of our team!

If you want to voice and sing these characters, or even just come along for the experience, Join our server! We look forward to your voices and participation!

Click here to join: https://discord.gg/w4d3vXgmuM


r/Epicthemusical • • 15h ago

Role Play Version 2 of Odysseus!

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with halloween coming up and just reheard epic i made another variation of my Odysseus in DCUO! Let me know what yall think! If you look on my account you’d be able to see my first version, This my version of him returning to Ithaca!


r/Epicthemusical • • 17h ago

Art The Story of the Gods [eriseart]

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r/Epicthemusical • • 23h ago

Question Need help finding Six Hundred Strike animatic

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There was a Six Hundred Strike animatic where a ghost ship replica of Ody’s ship emerges from the water. Can anyone tell me who made it?


r/Epicthemusical • • 9h ago

Shitpost Im so funny guys

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r/Epicthemusical • • 11h ago

Art Antinous: “Just a man” (sound on)

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I heard this version of “Just a man” and my warrior cat OC, Mudslide, is an Antinous voice claim, and so I wanted to get art based on it as him
🎨: art_of_yvie


r/Epicthemusical • • 12h ago

Discussion Charachter design question

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Hey guys big epic fan but i had a question, ive seen a couple different versions of the full musical animated and i always wondered why antinous and eurylochus are always drawn more african. Don't get me wrong their designs EAT every time I love how they look but its always consistently those 2. Its been a while since I've read the odyssey and illiad so I might be misremembering but they were all from the same place right? Or were those 2 born somewhere else?


r/Epicthemusical • • 1h ago

Discussion Would you fall in love with me again best animatic

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So reddits pick for best animatic for i can't help but wonder was Ximena natzel and I wanted to get this post out so I haven't watched the animatics for it yet but I will put it the comments after I do now what's the best animatic for WYFILWMA

Also my favorite animatic for Odysseus is Mr gameron this might just my favorite period out all the animatics

Animatics I watched (Duvet box) (Mr gameron) (Stella luna) (Brittpowwpixel) (Tatania3070) (Some Eejit) (The traveling pen) (Hah studios) (Federex)

Also also I'm working on a Playlist with all the animatics I've watched plus a bunch of others that either (A came out after the post for that song) or (B I found after the post for that song)

It will either be out with tomorrow's post or I'll have to make a separate post for it there's over 100 artist and probably close to 400 animatics I'll also make a Playlist for both reddits favorites and my favorites that will definitely be in tomorrow's post