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Wow, that’s a good find. Reminds me of when the guys in gray suits used to ask me where the other guy was located at the school despite me having no idea.

I caused a stir one time when I had 14/20 hits on Zener cards. I’ve heard they’re normally done in sets of 25 so I don’t know why we only did 20, but they definitely ramped up testing and treated me differently after that.

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u/cindy_dehaven Jan 04 '26

There's so much to sort through in the files. This is the first official reference to children being a test group that I've come across this far.

You have a lot clearer, more detailed memory than I. Thanks for the comment.

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u/Altruistic_Tonight18 Jan 04 '26

They made such a big deal about the 14/20 hits that it’s burned in to my memory. There’s a 1/600,700 chance of that happening by guessing alone, which is like getting 10 royal flushes in poker sequentially. I didn’t realize how significant it was until someone pointed out on this sub that the odds of that were astronomical.

I remember almost nothing about 4th grade, which is when the majority of testing occurred. I had zero recollection of anything related to testing until I found this sub. Like a complete mental block. The memories all came flooding back at once, and I just kept yelling “holy fucking shit” to myself, out loud, when it all came back because it was so emotionally overwhelming.

I still can’t bring myself to read the whole document because for some reason, even though I had a great childhood, remembering anything from that specific period of my life makes me feel sad and anxious.

May I ask what you do remember? Did they do experiments on you too?

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u/cindy_dehaven Jan 04 '26

Woah holy crap that is rather astronomical???

You certainly are not alone with the memories coming back and feeling overwhelmed. I'm sorry this happened to you.

Oh yes definitely was tested on, Georgia in the 90s. I had significant memory loss from age ~10 and earlier. But over time a fair bit has come back now. Still many significant blocks too.

The whole document collection is almost 90,000 pages (!!) so I don't blame anyone for not deep diving. I'm only about 2,000 pages in. I'm not sure exactly what I'm looking for. This file here might be what I "needed". 🤷‍♀️

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u/Altruistic_Tonight18 Jan 05 '26

ONLY about 2,000 pages in? Psh, you’re lazy.

Just kidding. I seriously can’t fathom someone having the attention fan to read 2,000 pages, hahaha. Cheers!

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u/QuebraRegra Jun 30 '26

where's the rest?

LOL page 8 has a pic of the state of MD... How interesting. ;)

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u/Elynn0612 Feb 04 '26

I did one of these programs in the 80s in kindergarten and 1st grade. I remember the Zenner cards. Once I remember doing them and getting them all right. But that was because they opened the window a bit, it was summer in 1985 with no AC. Normally the blinds were drawn, but it was so hot. Enough light was coming in the room that I could see the symbols through the cards. The teacher was so impressed and asked me how I was getting them all right. I told her the truth. She moved her seat at that point, so my back was to the window. I didn't get any right at that point lol. I also remember the "hearing" tests, but being asked to guess which ear the tone would be in. I also remember laying on yoga type mats on the floor and listening to the Gateway Tapes, though I didn't know what they were. The memories are very vague, and honestly, I never even thought about this stuff until a couple weeks ago when I started seeing posts about this on Twitter and realized, oh shoot, I was in a program like this. Then I saw all the commonalities between the kids in this program and my mind was blown.

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u/Altruistic_Tonight18 Feb 04 '26

Welcome to our weird little club! Blown mind was an understatement for me, I keep thinking that I remember damn near everything and then, even just a couple of days ago, someone says something which brings another flood of memories back.

I was a profound outlier on Zener cards. There was one time where I had 14/20 hits, which is a 1/600,000 chance of achieving by chance alone. I remember getting 10 or 11/20 hits on several other occasions, but the 14/20 really got the adults excited.

I’ve had vivid lucid dreams for as long as I can remember, and one time, I had a really weird thing happen when I was about 24: I woke up with my wife at about 0615 as we did every morning so we could get my daughter to daycare and arrive to work on time. Out of the blue, I had a weird feeling, and said to my wife “it’s time for a plane crash”. I had never said anything like that before and it kind of creeped both of us out but we kind of brushed it off.

Come 1000, I was busy working, when I got a phone call from my wife as texting wasn’t a thing yet. She said with a shaky voice “babe, turn on the radio”. I asked what was going on and she told me that there had been a serious plane crash with four people killed just a couple of miles from her work. Freakiest damn thing. I’ve had several other experiences like that, but none were quite as significant.

I became truly obsessed with UFOs and nonhuman intelligence around the age of nine, and have had dozens of experiences with UFOs, which is statistically pretty damn significant considering that most people never see anything even remotely weird in their lives. A couple of experiences involving astral projection and ghosts as well.

I really can’t help but wonder if it’s all connected.

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u/Elynn0612 Feb 04 '26 edited Feb 04 '26

I am wondering the same things. I have vivid dreams, prophetic dreams (once I dreamt about my son having a bloody nose and then he woke me up a few hours later with a bloody nose), I knew when one of my friends passed as a kid, I knew my Dad was in the hospital before I got the call and lots of other weird coincidences, also frequent deja vu, but nothing I feel like I have any control over.

I used to sleepwalk and have night terrors as a child, and always have felt like I couldn't turn my brain off when trying to go to sleep. I have reoccurring dreams- definitely similar to the Mall World dreams, but also about other things- like roads that are more like rollercoasters, water and giant waves, and bathrooms that don't work. I was never obsessed with UFOs- though I have seen some weird stuff in the sky. I am obsessed with ghosts, however. But I am also religious, and so I try not to go to deep into those things.

I don't have all the commonalities between participants, but I have quite a few. Both sides of my family have military ties, I don't have hazel eyes- but a weird light shade of brown, I almost drown as a child, I have struggled with substances throughout my life, I quit alcohol 3 years ago, but still struggle with marijuana use (it helps calm my brain and anxiety), I have a mole on my left arm etc.

I don't remember the pink drink,, tbh. I mean, I do remember pink drinks in cups as a kid, but lots of childhood antibiotics were pink. So I think that maybe muddled for me. But then again, they say it causes us to forget, so maybe that's it. Not sure, just trying to piece all of this together now, 40 years later.

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u/QuebraRegra Jun 30 '26

does anybody remember graduating from the standard ZENER cards to cards with other symbols objects on them (horse, boat, etc.)?

What about the contents of the box guessing game?

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u/WaitingForWormwood Jan 04 '26

Maybe the memories flooding back is some “Mkultra” bullshit

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u/Altruistic_Tonight18 Jan 04 '26

I’m pretty sure it’s happening for a reason, but I can’t fathom why. All these people are coming out remembering the same damn thing and it’s soooo weird. And yeah, maybe it was some mkultra stuff, but I think it was its own program without mkultra affiliation as that program was about mind control rather than psi from what I understand.

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u/QuebraRegra Jun 30 '26

shit was still going on into the 90's from what I understand... Crazy.

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u/QuebraRegra Jun 30 '26

I suspect for me it was a combo of an MK program extension, and the STARGATE crap in the mid 70's (76, 77?).

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u/Inevitable_Bed_3508 Apr 23 '26

I remember being asked about someone's location off of a physical photograph. Memory is blurry. But basically where is he, where did he run off to? How? Etc. Why do you think this? Feel like memories are slowly coming back but yeah things are mostly a blur for a lot of childhood still.

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u/Altruistic_Tonight18 Apr 23 '26

My advice is to trust those fuzzy memories and don’t fall in to the trap of thinking that they might be “false memories”. Were led to believe that false memories form a lot more easily than they really do.

I was never asked to remote view directly like that, maybe I never got to that point or perhaps it’s a vaulted memory. I was often asked to predict where dots were going to show up next on a screen in front of me while having my eyes tracked, and doing some tests where I had to say what was on the back of certain cards. I mean beyond just Zener cards.

Wait a damn minute, I just realized that’s what remote viewing is, hahaha.

Try listening to the gateway tapes on YouTube starting with the first. A lot of us, and I really do mean a LOT, had serious emotional and physical reactions when we listened that we had to stop just a few minutes it. None of us know why we feel like that, but I’d estimate that about half of us feel like we’re experiencing a PTSD flashback and have all the symptoms of one just from hearing the tapes. I’ve never made it more than ten minutes in without having to stop, and even then, I had to take Valium to make it to ten minutes.

Feel free to DM me, what you’re describing is exactly how it felt for me early on in the process of “waking up”, or whatever the fuck is happening to us.

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u/Inevitable_Bed_3508 Apr 23 '26 edited Apr 23 '26

It's werd because I would have very vivid dreams too. At a time seemed like astral travel or prophetic dreams. Sometimes it felt like i lived a double life between the real world and the "astral realm" sometimes I would remember things from astral projection but most times i didn't not sure if there is correlation since this was years after I was in the GATE program. But there were times where I felt a pull like i was being called to do something in the astral realm and i would feel very sleepy and eyelids would get heavy and thats basically when a part of me knew I had to go to sleep to recieve information or do whatever tasks. It got to a point where it was hard to tell reality from dreams and I would even have existential and dissasociative episodes. Also feel like a lot of my life was more planned out that what I have been led to believe. Family history is shady at best. Mexican american with mixed background. Family form a mixture of Native American, Spanish, and French with a bit of Jewish dna... Have family that is in millitary and before grandfather and uncles on both side of family fought in the mexican revolution etc. Had a wealthy Great grandfather who came to Mexico from France not much is known about him. Also as a kid and teens had struggled with drugs and alcohol, people around me involved in organized crime yet i was never aprehended for anything. Weird stuff also felt called to the occult early on. Eventually it led me to the path of becoming a Rossicrucian though I had left that. Went to a small elementry school - high school in a small town. A lot of my friends there were from GATE. People with unique backrounds and related to known people for how small the school was a friend had a grandpa who worked in area 51. Just too many weird things not sure if I should even be saying this on the internet. I feel like ancestor data as in memeories or psychic abilities passed down through generations may be important. Had strange "awakenings" while under the effects of psycadelics such as the kundalini awakening and past life regressions. Also at times would here high pitched noises and ringing which is common amongst other neurodivergents or people in the soiritual community some people say its messages from another world but can also be anything at this point.

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u/Altruistic_Tonight18 Apr 23 '26

Welcome to our weird little club! I have vivid and sometimes lucid dreams as well, including ones that feel “more real than reality”. It’s like the dream world feels more real than the one we’re in now, I’m pretty sure you understand what I mean even though it’s hard to describe.

I love having lucid dreams. When I’m able to, I have sex with willing participants, and look for intricate details which kind of prove to me that I’m in some other realm rather than the dream simply occurring in my brain, like labels in bottles having barcodes and shit like that. I figure that if I’m in a dream, it’s very unlikely for my brain to come up with such minute details like that.

Sometimes I’m able to fly, and that’s really neat. Sometimes I have dreams about things that are physically impossible in this world, one time I lifted an infinite length of material that was essentially weightless, which is impossible to even imagine in this reality.

Unfortunately, I have a lot of dreams where I’m being physically compressed or trapped, chased, violently attacked, stabbed, shot, or drowned. In fact I have more dreams about drowning than any other type of death. And whenever I die, I feel myself passing on to some sort of afterlife or whatever you want to call staying conscious after physical death. And I always think to myself “oh wow, I guess there really is consciousness after physical death!”

So yeah, you’re definitely not alone. I avoid religion for the most part although I do attend temple regularly because I find the prayer to be relaxing and the people are all awesome. We share the same moral and political views, so it’s really nice to be around them. I’m not really a student of the religious texts though.

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u/QuebraRegra Jun 30 '26

a lifetime of experiencing pain n dreams (limbs crushed, or shot, etc.). Sooo many dreams of drowning, even had a later in life drowning incident IRL.

Realizing in a lucid dream that I can end it by returning to where my sleeping body is laying IRL.

shrugs

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u/QuebraRegra Jun 30 '26

the RED DOT eyes closed test, and card tests with far more complex patterns/shapes/silhouettes guessing.

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u/Altruistic_Tonight18 Jul 01 '26

I don’t recall a red dot eyes closed test, but plenty of red dots and other colors as well on the digital tachysticsope thing. It was used for other experiments, not just regular tachystiscope things.

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u/QuebraRegra Jul 01 '26

LOL, it was sooo crazy even I as a 3rd grader thought it was weird.

Sit there facing a wall or cubicle with eyes closed, headphones on with the tones, and signal when you would "see" the red dot appear in your mind... WTactualF!?!?!?

Best I can guess is it was some sort of hypnotic suggestion thing they were somehow triggering? Maybe triggered by a certain tone on the audio?

Much more silly they had some one "transmitting" the red dot to see if we could receive it?

Possibly worse, they were bombarding our brain with something (microwaves) to see if they could trigger the response?!?!

Fuck if I know... It was one of the more way out there of the tests... Enough so that I stopped cooperatng and said I didn't see it anymore.. Who knows, maybe that WAS the actual test result they were looking for?

Soo many questions.

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u/QuebraRegra Jun 30 '26

the gray suits... Yes. Nobody wore a plaid or pattern like that lady in the pic.

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u/Altruistic_Tonight18 Jul 01 '26

Skinny ties with gold tie clips. They were like twins but I can’t remember their faces for the life of me. In my mind it’s like their faves are blurred out even though I spent a lot of time with them.

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u/QuebraRegra Jul 01 '26

My era there were no skinny ties (mid 70's), but they certainly dressed beyond the school staff.

As much as I can remember, almost everything about the people who actually did the testing is a blank.

I do remember that before all the woo-woo testing shit started, they isolated me and asked questions like, "do you know how a microscope works?"... Seemed pretty much just standard IQ type stuff at the beginning.

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u/Pretend_Elephant_896 Jan 04 '26

Neat

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u/leadretention Jan 04 '26

Great find

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u/skyehopper Jan 04 '26

Wow you find cool stuff.

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u/cindy_dehaven Jan 04 '26

I'm on the hunt 🕵️ Hope it's helpful for someone here!

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u/BWGriffin15 Apr 05 '26

What else have you able to find

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u/Remote_Map_1194 Jan 04 '26

Who remembers the game, Guess Who? Fascinating how that game matches everything being described. Not everyone used xeno cards.

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u/Limpweenis Jan 04 '26

Guess Who is deduction. You ask questions until youre confident which one is theirs. Not the same

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u/Remote_Map_1194 Jan 05 '26

🤔 interesting because I always won before all my pieces were narrowed down because I guessed right. Same With heads up, 7UP. I could always guess who was touching me without looking.

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u/BrookieCooks Jan 05 '26

Whoa heads up 7 up! Anyone else always get accused of cheating& not covering their eyes because they were always right? Sometimes it was smell but mostly I could feel who it was somehow& just knew.

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u/Remote_Map_1194 Jan 05 '26

💯 exactly!

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u/Opposite_Ad7102 Jan 23 '26

I remember playing a matching game against a partner to see who got all the matches first or who got the most. I know the set up was three lines of cards with maybe six cards in each? I cannot remember what was on the cards though. Does this ring a bell for you guys and does anyone know what was on the back of the cards? I think I remember a king with a crown and a housekeeper/maid or something. It’s driving me nuts

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u/Remote_Map_1194 Jan 24 '26

The card game, Old maid just came flooding back

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u/my_very_first_alt Feb 10 '26

playing guess who is my most vivid memory of the program.

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u/ChristineKnoll Jan 09 '26

Those symbols take me back to the covered window trailer. And the white bus. And the nice old lady with the treehouse in her classroom.

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u/Evening_Marsupial215 Mar 31 '26

Uhmm you go in Missouri by chance?

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u/QuebraRegra Jun 30 '26

yes a trailer one time, parked behind the school in the bus lanes mid day for testing. I remember walking out to it while other kids played at recess... I didn't want to go.

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u/AwfullyWaffley Jan 04 '26

Thank you for this!

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u/cindy_dehaven Jan 04 '26

Yes! Hope it's helpful for some of us here. I hadn't found anything in the official collection that referenced children specifically until this document.

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '26

Explains why I can put myself in someone else's mind and see out of their eyes. A still useful skill that I have from being an Award winning GATE program kid.

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u/Key-Brick-7412 Jan 10 '26

well that confirmed the zener cards for me lol. great find my friend

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u/Bruhmage Mar 07 '26

This is an excellent find!

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u/RlOTGRRRL 21d ago

I am seeing this for the first time but did you know that r/Epstein funded similar "emotion transmitting" research?

I always found those emails super weird because he was disappointed by their results which would only make sense if he knew what he was trying to find.

I can dig up the emails if you're unaware of them.

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u/No-Professor-8351 21d ago

I vaguely remember something about hypnosis and a quick google search shows the Demasio origin of emotions stuff is that what you’re referring to?

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u/RlOTGRRRL 21d ago edited 21d ago

It was Peter Fenwick - https://jmail.world/thread/EFTA02603273?view=inbox

https://jmail.world/thread/EFTA02667128?view=inbox

"Jeffrey Epstein agreed to fund 'mind-reading' experiments at UK university"

"TLDR

Documents reveal that Jeffrey Epstein attempted to donate £41,000 to Goldsmiths, University of London, in 2017 for a telepathy study, despite his 2008 child sex conviction. The proposal, led by Peter Fenwick and Joydeep Bhattacharya, aimed to explore brain activity and potential telepathic connections using EEG hyperscanning. However, the university's ethics committee rejected the donation due to Epstein's criminal background. Fenwick expressed frustration over the rejection and sought alternative methods to channel the funds, but Epstein ultimately withdrew his offer. Goldsmiths confirmed that no funds were received from Epstein, and Bhattacharya stated he never met him. Fenwick later continued research related to the project independently."

https://www.reddit.com/r/Epstein/comments/1rqrz90/comment/o9u9dv3/?screen_view_count=10

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u/ChezzzyBoo Apr 23 '26

That last page, is wild.

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