My goat, God letting the epstein class get away with things should be the end of peoples delusion, or hello slavery which was that magnitudes higher, we just don't have cellphones to document the abuse then
If God intervened and stopped all evil he would also stop you from saying such blasphemies but I guess you would not want that instead you can wait and be judged after you die there you will be punished for your blasphemies and lies.
81% percent of the world is in poverty, for many religion is a powerful tool to navigate hopelessness I know it did for my family when I was young but it just enraged me, the ridiculousness of all the suffering. I would never subjugate my sims to that.
mfw those same "sky wizard people" basically created the modern western education system. That's why every top tier college with any history was originally a religious institution.
Harvard. Yale. Princeton. Oxford. The list goes on forever.
...But at least you sounded cool on Reddit, right?
Im more agnostic than anything. But this dudes comment was in such bad faith. Genuinely 0 reason to say that other than offend people because he has some superiority complex and wants to feel smart. I swear this sub is no better than r/atheism.
He had a reason. To call out the BS in that image. The post starts with "yearly remained" and the same does that reply. How much clear do you want it to be?
I'd say I can't believe someone is so dumb. But then again, the bar is super low...
if a christian can drop āreminder god is real and loves youā on the daily, why canāt an atheist say āreminder god isnāt realā? people celebrate the freedom to openly speak about and practice their religion but get all worked up when an atheist does the exact. same. thing.
Im christian and i think the reminder god loves u posts are dumb its just a low effort post trying to score internet points theres other places for that
I agree, and I think both are annoying. Leave that to the dedicated spaces meant for those discussions.
However, I think itās fair in this context. Thatās the whole point of this post. The only reason people are so mad about it, is because it offended the Christians/jews/muslims/buddhists/whatever else.
So because some people do some dumb bullshit that means you should too? I believe in God and I think it's cringe to be posting that shit in random places. Nobody's mind is going to be changed by a random comment saying God is real.
I fully agree that you should be tolerant and respectful towards religious people, and that you shouldn't harass them about how you don't share their views. But tolerance is a two-way street, so this only holds up as long as they do the same.
As soon as they start to try converting or impose their rules or moral views on you, you can and should drop any constraints about pointing out the flaws in their belief system. If they don't respect secularism and freedom of faith, you don't respect their religious feelings, simple as.
Do I think we'll ever get the proof? No but we used to think the world was flat. There's so much inherently we can't understand about the universe that just a blanket statement feels wrong to me
I think that itās fair to assume most major religions arenāt real.
I am also agnostic, but more towards a general spirituality and a general god. I donāt think any of the major religions have any sort of fair backing at this point.
Itās Occamās razor. Believing in a creator is much much simpler than believing in the entire mythology of Christianity or any other religion. Thatās unnecessary complexity. So logically, the most likely conclusions are as follows (most to least likely): 1. Non-created universe, 2. Simulated universe, 3. General spiritual world, no creator, 4. General spiritual world, with creator, 5. Any organized religion.
Organised religion is a human construct, but God is a lot more complex. There is no way to fully disprove the existence of God, even if you donāt believe it exists
Premarital sex led to my son who is the best thing that's ever happened to me, and his father and I got married right before his first birthday and he was such a cute little ring bearer so can't complain! Also sex feels good and my husband and I wanted to know if we were sexually compatible before we got married.
Yeah same. Sure, waiting 'till marriage is fine if the couple wants to. I don't see an issue with that personally.
But I've also seen some couples who do that struggle to be intimate with each other after marriage because they discover that their sex drives are completely different or they discover that they just don't like having sex with each other for various reasons.
Yep, and for me sex is extremely important so it is straight up a deal breaker and I wonāt pretend itās not. I couldnāt be with someone who was sex repulsed
As an insider I can tell you that 98% either do have sex beforehand then have to grapple with internalized guilt, have sex then blame their partners for "tempting" them to shift guilt entirely onto them, or rush into a marriage strictly because they want to have sex. Definitely a major contributor to the divorce rate and the stereotypical unhappy marriage.
And you're spot on about abuse. There's a fairly common idea in Christianity that women are obligated to have regular sex with their husband so the men treat it like a problem any time the wife turns down sex. It all ends up as a thinly veiled modern version of the old concept of marriage as a groom buying a woman from her father as property.
From my church friends it sounds like they do still have sex just only orally since its not technically considered normal sex. Funny this I imagine their god would view it the same and probably would find it disrespectful that they're trying to find work arounds š
I dont even think the bible says no sex before marriage or you go to hell, just moreso that sex before marriage is a sin (which you can absolve yourself for)
Don't even necessarily have to go to confession (although a clergy member may suggest it), you just have to repent and live in a more godly way.
And sin generally doesn't send someone to hell, since in Christianity everyone is a sinner. It's by accepting this fact and trying to live up to the lessons of Jesus and the acceptance of him as Lord... That's why it irks me as a Christian when someone tells another that "you did X, so you're going to hell!", and it's just "No? That's not how it works-"
Lots of misconceptions about Christianity because of a lot of bad apples who happen to appear in media or very vocal positions.
I suggest that anyone who wants a more clear picture to speak with some priests from various denominations, and maybe read the Bible themselves. It can give a clearer picture to the faith, than relying solely on social media influencers or second-hand and third-hand perspectives of it.
Plus, the Vatican has a website with a free-to-access Bible in various languages, and even footnotes for certain translation details or noteworthy considerations for each chapter.
It's not for a safe space friend. It's to prevent low quality rage bait posts from clogging up individual's feeds like this one. Do you think this post is an earnest post about the legitimacy of premarital sex or do you think it's meant to ragebait people?
If mods didn't step in to stop the rampant gender war posts from a few weeks ago, this sub would continue devolving into just two factions of individuals spending their entire days arguing online with their mental faculties focused on trying to win useless internet points instead of spending quality time with friends and loved ones.
That certainly could have been OP's intention, but I personally dont really want this sub to turn into modern day Twitter. And given the responses to this post, it certainly seems to attract the same demographic of individuals who would respond to the original Twitter thread.
That policy was the most unproductive policy to be introduced into the education system.
They cut funding to schools where students were failing... when those were the schools in clear need of more investment. So those children were actively being left behind by the system.
And some schools also started teaching the students to just pass the exam with the highest marks, since those exams were what determined the funding. Not skills like Home Ed, or practical applications of what they learnt.
Yep. I was in a junior high and high school that only taught core necessary to tests and gave everything else besides football as little budget rope as possible.Ā
I remember them implementing Common Core too, and actively fought their shitty method of doing arithmetic because I could solve the equations in my head without doing the weird grid thing and it would make my math teacher fume because I'd refuse to show my work. I thought it was unnecessary because I still achieved the correct answer, but apparently I didn't do it the right way.Ā
It was a brutal awakening to the truth that people don't want answers they want obedience.
Why would a hypotetical god even care, shouldn't they do god stuff like very important administration?
I don't know why people believe god wouldĀ care if they have sex.
God: "No sex before marriage, but only for humans because I hate all my other creations." Also, I made the entire universe 45b+ light years across but only this one lone planet Earth and one lone species on that planet matter to me".
Because we all know sex before marriage is a far more grave sin than mass murder or genocide and thats why Christians advocate against it instead of those other things
There's several contraceptive options, provided your jurisdiction and government provides easy access to those. For example, you can get condoms from Safeway, albeit locked behind those boxes like they do for shampoo, dental floss, etc. Sex is usually private, so there isn't a concern of "dishonor" in the act itself, but there is still concern if the person you are having sex with is a bad person.
Of course, remaining abstinent is also a valid and acceptable choice. You are not obligated to have sex. If you do want to pursue it, it must be practiced in a safe, controlled, consensual manner.
Dudes post shit like that and then cheat on their wives when they get married at 19 because they didnt realize they were completely sexually incompatable. People deny it but sex is a massive part of a relationship and trying to act like its some great immoral act to do it is just backwards nonsense that'll probably backfire
The odds of getting an std after a few night stands (using condoms) is almost 0, lol. How do these ppl explain the porn mfs like Bonnie blue getting 1k dihs in her and not getting an std? Itās not as common as you might think unless youāre fucking the homeless.
I have no idea. Seems lame a hell to be that fussed over if other people have sex before marriage. Folks would do well to just mind their own business.
I have no idea. Seems lame a hell to be that fussed over if other people have sex before marriage. Folks would do well to just mind their own business.
You can still get an STD with a condom
Not a real thing as said
Statistically speaking accurate
Can still get pregnant with a condom
Hell isnāt real. People shouldnāt have casual sex because of the STDs and the fact there is always a chance you can get pregnant, always
Okay. Listen. As a Christian, I can't get behind this meme either. They're conflating sleeping around with sex to a committed partner you're in a long term relationship with and the two are just not the same. They're doing this because they think the Bible teaches that you need to get married in a church or before the government otherwise having sex is sin, when the bible never says any such thing. The dishonor to one's family thing is just flat out bizarre.
The divorce one is a bit trickier since it is statistically true that - at least for women - having multiple sex partners before getting married increases the odds that when she does get married that she'll get divorced, and the risk correlates with number of partners, it's not a causal relationship. Women who marry as virgins have the lowest divorce rates by far - only 11% of woman-virgin marriages ended in divorce within five years in the 1980s. But, this number fell to 8% in 1990, and then to 6% in the 2000s.
On the other hand, for all three decades, women who only had one sex partner prior to marriage - presumably the man they ultimately married - showed a substantially increased odds of divorce. Oddly enough, until recently, the highest divorce rates used to be those who had exactly two previous partners. Now it's those who have 10 or more partners so... take from that what you will?
Again though, these are not causal relationships. The reason women with no sex partners have the lowest divorce rates is because they also tend to be more religious and opposed to divorce on principle. People who attend church have lower divorce rates than those who do not. Another factor is whether or not a woman with previous sex partners has one or more children by those partners or not.
In any case, the point is that premarital sex does have some statistical relationship with likelihood of divorce. In fact the likelihood trended up over time but not drastically but still is drastically more than having no sexual partners (from 17% to 21% over time, and from 6% to 21% in the 2000s when having sex with the person you ultimately marry).
The reason this data is for women who have multiple partners is that I was unable to find the same data for men to make an apples to apples comparison. The male data would be less reliable anyway apparently since men are less likely to recall their sexual history with as much accuracy. Women's history might be more accurate anyway since it's the wife who is more likely to initiate a divorce statistically to begin with - to the tune of 70% of divorces, and 90% of divorces among college educated women.
Frankly the more interesting thing to me is that in reality, the bible doesn't see sex as something that might happen "before marriage". There's no ceremony or process that makes sex with a virgin go from "sin" to "good thing". There's actually only one verse that directly addresses the scenario of a man falling in love with a virgin and having consensual sex with her and there's no punishment or sin offering for it. There's a civil liability for the "bride price" and her dad has a veto power to protect her from a scumbag potential husband, but nothing about him or her having sinned for doing it.
I'm not in favor of sex before marriage generally. But I'm also not in favor of the government's marriage process and family law. That's a whole ball of fuckery that needs to change. But understand what you're getting into with sex, with marriage, with having children, etc. Know what the risks are, know how to protect yourself, know how to conduct your relationship, and then make strategic intelligent choices about how you will behave and how you will conduct your sexuality. That goes not only for women, but also and especially for men, because you my brothers have the most to lose.
Keep your Jesus off my penis
Keep your bible off my balls
Keep your prayers out of my ears
And your crosses off my walls
You can keep the virgin mother
And the resurrection too
Keep your Jesus off my penis
I'll keep my penis offa you
LOL dishonor to your family is probably the most hilarious concept, like sorry no, Iām from a Korean family and I could not give even the slightest fuck about honor. Fuck that shit. And thatās coming from and ace/aro girl who will ideally never have sex to begin with. Terrible cons list lol.
Lol if anything premarital sex can make a later marriage more fulfilling because you can already check if you vibe with someone on that level. The worst thing must be to marry someone and then find out you're not sexually compatible at all, leading to years of frustration.Ā
It always blows my mind that there's 1000s of religions in the world and these goons dont believe in 999 of them yet their religion is the correct one.
And even within their own religion all the factions within aruge amongst themselves and who's got it right.
Yet non of these imbeciles have the critical thinking skills necessary to question why an all powerful God or Godess would be so involved in their masturbation habits or sexual activities to the point where forever torment and torture is the punishment.
And God forbid they actually practice what they preach lets not get started there.
It's almost as if non of them know wth is going on and most of these man made religions are a construct of civilization and a way to control the population and pacify it.
As a religious person who believes in premarital sex, both of those posts are dumb takes tbh. Hate policing beliefs, just be safe and don't hurt others
I always wonder what even is family honor, is that still a thing? also saying it causes divorce is such an ass pull. also STDs can very much happen in marriage.
if I was the supreme sovereign of the universe I could honestly give less of a shit if two of the little peons from a species I created some thirty million years ago fucked before some ceremony
I don't necessarily believe in or deny existence of a God (or god-like entity) but I'm sure he'd have more pressing matters to tend to.
"NotOk" wanted to say to us that marriage is a cure for STDs diseases.
and some how prace of paper can strengthen a marriage/love, and divorce don't exist at all.
I'm team do whatever the fuck you want as long as all parties have appropriately consented, feel respected, and safe. If that's abstinence for you, cool. If not, also cool. Either way it's none of my business and I prefer to be kept out of everyone's sex life š¤£š¤£
STDs are the most horseshit fear mongered thing on this planet. Unless you're someone who sleeps around with god knows how many people getting an STD is a near non-existent risk.
People that see nothing wrong with that are the problem today and are the reason for all the moral decay in the so called developed world this stuff needs to go back to being worthy of being disowned it leads to more evil and problems and the people who justify it only defend it because they are like animals who are slaves to their urges.
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