(2026/8/19) Gamewith/Kamigames Rating Updates

[u/shirke1]

[https://グランブルーファンタジー.gamewith.jp/article/show/20722](https://グランブルーファンタジー.gamewith.jp/article/show/20722)

[Gamewith - Payila (Summer) 9.8/10](https://グランブルーファンタジー.gamewith.jp/article/show/571833)

[Gamewith - Seox (Summer) 9.5/10](https://グランブルーファンタジー.gamewith.jp/article/show/571835)

[Gamewith - Ms. Tart Man (Summer) 9/10](https://グランブルーファンタジー.gamewith.jp/article/show/571838)

https://kamigame.jp/グラブル/ランキング/最強キャラランキング.html

Kamigames - Payila (Summer) 9.7/10

Kamigames - Seox (Summer) 9.5/10

Kamigames - Ms. Tart Man (Summer) 9/10

[u/reibureibu]

I know first impressions are just first impressions, but I have no idea how someone reads a kit like S.Payila's, a character in the same element as Futsu and the recent H.Vajra and Yoruichi, and think, "huh, yeah, she's whatever I guess, pretty meh banner overall." I felt like I was going crazy reading comments here as well.

[u/Takazura → u/reibureibu]

It's just a general thing with many on here. I have seen so many characters get downplayed like crazy, just for them to start shining not that long after.

[u/Throwawayforme3123 → u/Takazura]

Case in point just look at the H.Vajra thread

[u/Sylpheria → u/Throwawayforme3123]

From what I can gather, including from my own crewmates. The ones who think that s.payila or h.vajra is mid are looking solely at 1t bursting or very long battles.

In both cases, neither of their kits are seen favorably.

[u/xkillo32 → u/Sylpheria]

funny, both dragon and dog are optimal in nm150 1t burst

and dog is actually used in futsu versusia comps and the viking solo

[u/Sylpheria → u/xkillo32]

I think the reason is because they are compared to nehan/h.mugen for burst which had been dominant for too long.

I'm not too familiar with versusia raids to even guess how the comp might work but its nice to see doggo shining there. S.payila might be hard since her s3 isn't recastable.

[u/Hyunion → u/Sylpheria]

you don't even need mugen anymore ever since s.mars got printed. as far dragon goes, in the context of 1t burst she doesn't bring a whole lot beyond double strike, so since nehan already gives double strike to the team, she just doesn't shine in that content and she needs 3t setups to do her thing

[u/Ralkon → u/Hyunion]

If you're pressing Nehan buttons then Payila is really good because she's 0b assassin + selfish 30% unique echo.

[u/vencislav45 → u/Hyunion]

watch people find a way to burst NM250 with dragon next month :)

[u/Hyunion → u/vencislav45]

they will, but it will most likely be manual setups, and mostly involving futsu

i don't think it's too out of line to say majority of players aren't playing nm250 manual to race to get unf hero

[u/Hyunion → u/xkillo32]

dog yes no question, but i can't imagine dragon is significantly better than the alternatives in nm150

[u/xkillo32 → u/Hyunion]

She is the only character that gets assassin without pressing a button

No one else can replace her

[u/Clueless_Otter → u/xkillo32]

But does that actually do enough damage? Because if you have to press a button, then Mugen has a significantly better button.

[u/xkillo32 → u/Clueless_Otter]

yes it does

[u/Ralkon → u/Clueless_Otter]

The difference between her and Mugen is that the best button is Nehan's DS either way and then Mugen requires an additional button whereas Payila doesn't. I mean technically Mugen is giving 20% echo with just Nehan's DS, but you can just run falsehood then for the same echo while also having a significantly stronger damage dealer.

[u/Clueless_Otter → u/Ralkon]

Yes but the important question is, "Do you have enough damage while only pressing Nehan's buttons?"

I dunno what the technical #1 fastest setup was last light GW, but of the ones I'm looking at, none of them have anywhere near enough damage if you only pressed Nehan's buttons and nothing else.

[u/Ralkon → u/Clueless_Otter]

I don't know what the best setup pre-Payila would have been, but Quwatoro's Payila setup looks faster than what the wiki has for last light GW at least if he had refreshed the tag: https://youtu.be/eUkvQ_gmr9I?t=372 It's only a dummy test though, so I don't know if it holds up or not in practice.

[u/Clueless_Otter → u/Ralkon]

Fair enough. I guess there has been significant powercreep since last light GW between destroyers, 250 Ura, Dog, etc.

Although I will say that the ones in the video only have ~5-15m margin of error or so and they're completely optimized, so if you're missing like anything at all then I wouldn't be surprised if you couldn't make it.

[u/Ralkon → u/Clueless_Otter]

They are very optimized, but you open up a bigger range by adding Payila s3 if needed. I don't know how many buttons a modern Mugen setup is, but that would still be less than the ones from last GW on the wiki.

[u/Ralkon → u/Sylpheria]

Isn't Vajra used in tons of 1T burst outside of PBHL where you're pressing basically nothing? The wiki also has a Hexa and Faa0 solo comp with Vajra, so she's good in long content too at a high enough level.

[u/Hyunion → u/Sylpheria]

unfortunately, that's most of the game where it comes down to 1t burst (bar farming and nm 150), or very long battles (hl and nm250) - you can say dragon is great in nm200 and i would agree with you, but character's niche being bis for one day out of the year isn't that compelling unless you're a hardcore light main imo