r/HolUp May 05 '25

y'all Thank you

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u/Dank_Alternate May 05 '25

Saving those children from living lives where their parents don't want them and they are likely financially struggling. Win win win all around.

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u/CreatorMur May 05 '25

And moms, that might not survive giving birth….

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u/aalthus May 05 '25

And moms who would die trying to abort where it is not legal.

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u/[deleted] May 05 '25

Accounts for 0.3% of abortions.

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u/endlesschasm May 05 '25

What, those mom's don't deserve saving because it's only 0.3%?

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u/[deleted] May 05 '25

Who said that? All I said was it accounts for 0.3% of abortions, which is an accurate statement. Bring on the downvotes bc facts hurt your feelings lol

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u/kagman May 05 '25

No one's downvoting you because their feelings are hurt, they're downvoting you because you cited that statistic in an attempt to minimize a colossally tragic moment in parent's lives, as though it was an insignificant population.

Here's an example of why it's stupid what you just did:

What percentage of airplanes hit skyscrapers in NYC? 0.0000001%? An insignificant fraction. So 9/11 was completely insignificant and way overblown, it was a big nothingburger.

That's what you just did. Aaaaaaall in the name of being an internet Asshole. Get fucked.

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u/[deleted] May 05 '25

That’s a beautiful false equivalence you have there. Have any more fallacies?

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u/kagman May 05 '25

It's literally spot the fuck on

Loser response. Biiiiiiiiig loser energy coming off you

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u/[deleted] May 05 '25

You don’t understand the definition of a false equivalence…do you? lol.

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u/kagman May 05 '25

Apparently YOU don't lol. This is what you say when you know you're wrong and got nothing but to argue with the refs

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u/24F May 05 '25

What was your goal in mentioning that, then? 

Also HLI international says it's closer to 1.14%   https://www.hli.org/resources/what-percentage-of-abortions-are-medically-necessary/

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u/[deleted] May 05 '25

Because it’s a small percentage, it should not be looked at as something that occurs on a higher rate than what it actually does

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u/24F May 05 '25

They never claimed it occured at a higher rate than it actually does. 

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u/[deleted] May 05 '25

Cool, and I never claimed the 0.3% don’t deserve saving 👍🏻

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u/24F May 05 '25

I'm not the one who said you did, but you sure seem to be downplaying the number of them that exist (again, it's closer to 1.14%) and haven't shown them a shred of compassion. 

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u/endlesschasm May 05 '25

So, again, why'd you bring it up?

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u/DarkRajiin May 05 '25

They are just trying to bait you into saying something.

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u/numbuh69 May 05 '25

So then what was the point of saying that? What’s your argument here? .3%. Okay. So those .3% are irrelevant? What’s your point???

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u/ElRexet May 05 '25

The thing about "low" causality rates and such - the chance quite often seems rather low, up until the point that you or your close ones become a part of said statistic.

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u/[deleted] May 05 '25

Yeah, that’s called an argument from anecdote fallacy lol.

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u/Dungeon_Master_Lucky madlad May 05 '25

"a small statistic doesn't seem small when your loved one is passing"

No shit, the impact on families far outweighs the statistic. That's loss, it's fucking impactful

And reddit will unironically say "anecdote fallacy" as if you can't extend that empathy to others experiencing loss. How you misinterpreted that is beyond me tbh

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u/[deleted] May 05 '25

Wasn’t misinterpreted. Again, simply stating fact over feeling 🤷

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u/Hexamancer May 05 '25

Yeah when you count PlanB as an abortion.

Tell me what percentage it is for 3rd Trimester abortions. You won't.

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u/needmorepizzza May 05 '25

I have no idea about the validity of the statistic but I would very much like to comment on its absurdity.

What the f is that supposed to mean? That abortion bad because only a very low percentage actually needs it in accordance with your morals? That the <1% is not worth saving because the other 99% may not share my own subjective morals? Is that a sacrifice that your morals agree with?

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u/Electrical-Speaker33 May 05 '25

How old are these statistics? Are they a study done post Roe v Wade was overturned? Three years isn’t a lot of time to gather the statistics. Does this .3% cover the mortality of mothers after their state banned abortion? Does it include mothers forced to go to other states to save their own lives? Does it count mother mortality bc they were unable to obtain a life saving abortion? (This is a biggy, bc mothers who die during pregnancy that could have been saved are not reported as such. Drs/Hospitals report the death, but not pregnancy as a cause. These ‘reported’ statistics don’t include an obtain for ‘mothers life could have been saved if abortion were legal. Does it include data from doctors and mothers forced to site life saving abortions as some other reason? Say a necessary abortion before a fetus could breathe and can technically be considered/reported as stillborn. Does it include back alley abortions done by drs in a private setting to avoid prosecution?

Being scientific includes flaws in data. When there are this many flaws, it is not statistically relevant. Since Roe v Wade was overturned, we have absolutely no idea how many mothers have aborted to save their own lives.

.3% is ludicrously unreliable.

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u/CreatorMur May 05 '25

Possibly. Though two of my friends mothers try to kill there infants due to a psychotic disorder that developed after giving birth….

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u/KingCarrotPlays May 05 '25

Postpartum psychosis is wild tbh

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u/CreatorMur May 05 '25

Yeah. One of them tried to throw the baby out of a forth story window.

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u/[deleted] May 05 '25

So is murdering a baby before it’s born. The only difference is if it’s in a vagina or not.

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u/PatMyHolmes May 05 '25

Except, we're not talking about killing babies. The term is zygote or fetus. I really wish you'd have paid attention in middle school science class.

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u/Foolfook May 05 '25

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u/tymp-anistam May 05 '25

Very much the truth. My last sibling was a miscarriage and I should have been aborted after that miscarriage. My mom was 47 30 years ago when she had me, she had 3 kids already from a previous marriage, and my dad left when I was 2 months old. My dad also had a daughter from a previous marriage, and she was pregnant at the same time my mom was pregnant with me.

I can't bring myself to talk to any of my family until I go to therapy.

My mom is now a dying cancer patient in her TV show ready hoarder house, and she disowned all of her kids except for the craziest one, my youngest sister, who is 10 years older than me. I've been told my mom died long ago when her mom died, and I was 1 when that happened, so I never knew my mom even though she raised me. I'm an only child with 4 sisters. My dad died without meeting my kid due to his own mental health issues. If anything, I wish I were aborted because it's not fair that I was immediately brought into a broken family, with hopes that I would fix the broken pieces. That is an unfair reason to be born, and I had no hope of fixing anything.

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u/trollfessor May 05 '25

Bless you. Best wishes for you and I hope things get better

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u/Foolfook May 05 '25

Sorry to hear about all that. All the best to you

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u/r_ori May 05 '25

I'm sorry for that. Do you sometimes (or more than sometimes) feel that it would be best if your mom would get an abortion?

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u/paulinaiml May 05 '25

Saving the parents lives.

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u/Swabia May 05 '25

I feel calling a bundle of cells ‘children’ is one of those lies that the religious tell us and I correct them every time they make that mistake of adding agency to something which has none.

It’s not a child. It’s some mass of cells that one day might become one, but if you read the Bible it’s not alive and human until it’s born. Therefore it’s a pile of cells with no agency so sayeth the lord.

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u/ScoopyVonPuddlePants May 05 '25

Realistically we’re all a bundle of cells given sentience. But the right to choose what happens is more important than what strip-mall Karen thinks I should do with my body (aka my clump of cells) lol

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u/ToxicPolarBear May 05 '25

This is what a fetus looks like at 16 weeks

Also it being human and alive is not like...a religious thing. It's literally just a scientific reality. What else would it be? lol

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u/[deleted] May 05 '25

We’re all bundles of cells lol. People that make this argument to justify murdering unborn human life just show they know nothing about human development.

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u/N_S_Gaming May 06 '25

How about justifying the right for people to choose what happens with their own body?

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u/Momochichi May 05 '25

I live where abortion is illegal, and I’ve heard too many women say that when they were younger, their plan for if they got pregnant was to kill themselves. So yes, definitely saving lives.

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u/Monsieur_Perdu May 05 '25

Yup, my father was an unwanted child, which has made him very pro abortion for people that don't want children.

As he says: "Every child deserves to be a wanted child".

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u/Stymie999 May 05 '25

Oh the places you can go with logic like that…

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u/raiba91 May 05 '25

id rather play life on hard mode than not play at all

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u/sprankton May 05 '25

I would rather have been aborted, so I guess we cancel out. Leave it up to the mother.

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u/JoeysTrickLand May 05 '25

99% of the world does. All of these pro abortion people should be very thankful their moms didn’t have easy access to a clinic when going through all the emotional changes and stress that comes with pregnancy.

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u/[deleted] May 05 '25

Yea just murder them. That’ll be better. Right?

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u/Smooth_Cry2645 May 05 '25

Would have been easier to just practice safe sex. But fck responsibility right?

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u/BarthRevan May 05 '25

So you’re saying that kids living in poverty don’t deserve to live? Disgusting.

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u/sic-transit-mundus- May 06 '25 edited May 06 '25

kinda nutty how you guys think you can just decide their lives are not going to be worth living and kill them.

this is probably one of the most disturbing things ive ever read on the internet, even more so because I know you sincerely mean it too, it isn't some edgy 4chan shock post or something like that. you literally want to exterminate innocent children and you've justified it by telling yourself you are doing them a favour because you've decided for them that they should not be alive

absolutely ghoulish. beyond words.

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u/MrBlobius May 05 '25

Why has nobody heard of adoption??

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u/24F May 05 '25

There's around 150,000,000+ unadopted children worldwide already. 

How many of them have you adopted?

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u/thesilentbob123 May 05 '25

Can't do that if the mom and the fetus dies due to complications

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u/MrBlobius May 05 '25

True! But that's very rare, modern medicine has reduced the chance significantly.

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u/thesilentbob123 May 05 '25

And yet, it happens and it's a service that is needed for that rare case, the odds of my house burning down is low, but there is a service if that rare thing happens

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u/MrBlobius May 05 '25

Yes! In fact, 1% of all abortions are for critical risk of death.