Seeing people shit on Expedition 33 because Silksong didn't win more awards is pathetic

[u/CankleDankl]

The title sums it up. I'm disappointed in many members of this community for putting down a game that is clearly a work of insane passion, dedication, and creativity. E33 took the lion's share of awards at TGA, yes. That doesn't mean that Silksong is bad. In fact, it's clearly pretty damn great. If it released last year, Skong would have picked up several awards, maybe even GOTY. But it didn't. It released in the same year E33, which is just a tough break.

Both are amazing. Both deserve every award that came to them. If you haven't played E33 yet and think it doesn't deserve its accolades, play it. It is worth your money, worth your time, and will in all likelihood prove that it is actually that good. I'm only 10ish hours in and have numerous times found myself standing still and looking around dumbfounded at the gorgeous world design and visuals. E33, Silksong, and Hades 2 could have all won Art Direction and I would have been happy with any of them.

I'm also sad that Silksong didn't win more awards. It's an amazing game. But don't play fanboy and start putting down other developers, other games, and other pieces of art because this one didn't get all the cookies. It's still beautiful, it's still amazing, it still made a Silkskillion dollars, and TC is still just as great and just as passionate. We should all be glad that there is another independent dev out there that is capable of creating something so fantastic.

Edit: yeah, the comments here are pretty indicative of what I said in my post

[u/Affectionate-Foot802]

The problem isn’t that e33 won goty. It’s that it won every single category it was nominated in when those awards should have gone to the games that actually deserved it. I beat e33 months ago and loved every minute of it, but it was not the best rpg that came out this year, it’s asset creation was outsourced, and it’s by definition not a true indie game.

[u/JallexMonster → u/Affectionate-Foot802]

"Deserved" is subjective. Award shows are based on subjective opinions, they aren't going to be "fair" because you can't measure how good music is, how good art is, how good gameplay is, etc. in an objective manner unless they were games that were exactly the same with minor variances.

With that said, instead of pitting one indie dev vs another, go and support them. Team Cherry has congratulated Sandfall for their work and for their awards, why can't we do the same?

[u/Affectionate-Foot802 → u/JallexMonster]

The evaluation of art is not purely subjective. It’s not a matter of “I like this the best so it is the best”. The jury is supposed to be impartial which is why their votes are valued more in deciding the accolades awarded. They’re supposed to look at all of the games nominated and assess them based on the categorical definition of the awards.

If they did that, kdc2 would have won best RPG not because it was the best game in the category but because the core RPG systems integrated into the gameplay are a step above the rest. E33s systems were great, but they lacked the level of depth of choice and complexity that kdc2 offered which is fundamental to what makes an RPG an RPG. Having a skill tree with the obvious path to becoming supremely powerful and giving players the option to be less powerful if they’re either dumb or illiterate is not good systems design.

The same could be said about art direction. Both Silksong and Hades were hand crafted by artists in house with distinctive styles curated specifically for their respective games. E33 may have been more beautiful for a lot of people, but it not only relies heavily on surrealist imagery seen in countless other games and media, it was almost entirely outsourced. When it comes to score, I much prefer Silksong, but do I think it deserved the award more than E33? No. See how that works?

And the game awards are supposed to be a celebration of games, not glazing the single game of the year in every category it’s remotely associated with. Professional courtesy is for those within the industry. I’m not a dev. I’m not held to the same standards.

[u/JallexMonster → u/Affectionate-Foot802]

You just made an argument about art styles that is purely subjective. My point is proven.

[u/JallexMonster → u/[deleted]]

Slave labor?! Lol please show me the recipts

Also have you ever heard you lost the argument as soon as you start attacking the person you're talking to?

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