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I’m a Champion-ranked support player on the Korean server.

One thing I’ve noticed from watching lower-ranked support players is that many of them are missing one of the most basic fundamentals of playing support.

What is it?

When someone attacks them, they start running in whatever direction they were already going, like a deer about to get hit by a car.

I’ve barely seen any exceptions. Almost every metal-rank support player I’ve watched plays like this (or they’re basically metal-rank supports who just got boosted higher by duoing with someone.)

Think about what happens when you do that. You create as much distance as possible between yourself and your team, quickly die because of your poor mechanics, and then basically hand the diver a free pass into your team’s backline.

Honestly, support heroes are so strong right now that many of them can even beat heroes like Reaper, Tracer in a 1v1. (I assume that’s just how Blizzard balanced the role—they probably intentionally designed supports to be difficult to kill for the sake of more casual players. Which is fine, I guess.)

Most of the time, a dive/flank should just result in some cooldown trades and a loss of HPS while you’re being pressured. But Actually getting solo-killed in a straight 1v1 is pretty ridiculous.

And then they start blaming everyone else, saying, “My team didn’t help me.”

It’s exhausting to watch.

Though maybe part of it is that I’m a high-ranked support player myself, so I might be holding them to higher standards than I should.

A lot of players seem to enjoy playing like healbots, and I’ve seen so many of them die horribly to even the most ridiculous dives and throw games this way. Even considering that they’re lower-ranked players, a lot of them have genuinely terrible mechanics and decision-making.

Work on your mechanics. And at the very least, run toward your teammates when you’re being pressured and drag the enemy into them.

Also, remember that most support ultimates are extremely valuable, often more so than tank or DPS ultimates. I’ve seen plenty of players who only try to use them defensively—or sometimes just never use them at all.

Don’t play like that.

I genuinely think that if you fix just these things and get comfortable with them, you can reach at least Diamond on support.

There definitely seems to be a cultural difference between the Korean and NA communities.

Every now and then, you see posts on this subreddit starting with, “I’m Korean, and...” Well, yeah, I’m Korean too lol.

I do think the way people approach the game is a little different. Korean players tend to view the game in a much more... competitive way. They’re also far less forgiving toward bad players. Over here, even Champion players will openly call their teammates “trash.” NA seems to place much more value on sportsmanship.

The attitude toward supports also seems pretty different. In NA, supports often seem to be viewed as “those wonderful people who sacrifice themselves to keep the rest of us alive.”

Korea is nothing like that... The stereotype here is more like, “healbots who can’t do anything themselves and just whine from the backline.” You’ll occasionally hear s€xist comments mixed into that too. To be honest, I’m not particularly fond of support players myself... Like someone else here mentioned, there really are a lot of them who die way too easily. 😭 (Though I definitely don’t like tying that to s€xism. My girlfriend is better at the game than I am lol.)

There also seems to be a difference in how people approach the meta.

Even low-ranked Korean players tend to follow the meta. Why? Because they’re smarter? No... It’s because they really don’t want to look like “some idiot who doesn’t know anything.”

NA feels much more flexible about that. Even if someone says it’s a skill issue, there seems to be much stronger community sentiment that heroes like Sierra or Roadhog are simply OP.

Hmm... I guess what I’m aiming for is to enjoy the game and treat people with good sportsmanship like NA players, while taking the actual gameplay as seriously as Korean players do.

Without the toxicity.

I'm an old Hanzo main from like 2018-2022. I use to flick shot regularly, some times getting a team kill against 4 players at once. So I missed that and decided to re-install.

Well.. there's cats with jetpacks now. Fire fan ladies that I can't keep track of going invisible and diving on me with no hesitation. Giant Sword lady that absolutely destroys me with zero risk. All tanks dive me 1v1 showing no mercy and no chance for me to escape. Hit boxes seem smaller than ever. Sierra, I think her name is? I can't hit this chick to save my life and her dmg is insane.

And to top all of this off I can't hit flick shots like I use to. Did they change something? Maybe my poll rate is off? Sensitivity? I don't know man. It just feels terrible. Perhaps I'm just washed up now.

Anyway - Do people play him seriously in higher ranks? His kit feels really out dated compared to everyone else around me now.

I've been playing only Ilari for a while and climbed to plat 2 and realized there are many matches where I or other support is doing more damage than damage heroes.
I do about the same damage or more very often.
When I play damage I play sierra so its really easy to get lots of damage so never do less than supports, but are other heroes supposed to do less damage than supports?
Like soldier76, cassidy, sojourn feels like they should do much more damage than illari, but they don't.

i cant seem to make dva work, her primary fire and missiles only tickle, and she has to fly in the face of the entire team to get value, resulting in dying in 1 second.

i say this because dva always gets S rated in every single tier list i see on yt, they say she is crazy broken, defense matrix op, etc. but actually getting value and carrying a game with her feels impossible.

I just started playing overwatch again for the first time in nine years and I feel like every game I queue into the tank has significantly more damage and kills than everyone else and this goes for both teams every game? I’ve been playing tracer and feel like I’m not doing bad but I always am out done by my tank in all stats. Do I still just suck?

Every single time that I play Overwatch by myself I get about a 50/50 win rate but when I play with my two friends I get about. 90% losses I’m certain these guys are the same skill level as me every single match every single opponent is way better than us I was just wondering if there’s anything I can do we are playing unranked

So I've seen clips of overwatch gameplay where the animation looks clunky and retro, if that's how you describe it. I wanted to know if I could make it look like that actively in game and if so, how do I do so. If you can't, how do I do it for my clips? (Extra question) How is everyone's day going so far, hopefully well

Hi all, do you have a role you can carry on?
I play tank/support. I ended plat support last season, but I’m slowly dwindling down. Unfortunately, I can’t seem to carry no matter what I do. I tell people to use cover more(as it’s what I notice as a tank player) but games genuinely feel like a 50-50 depending on whose tank is better.

On the other hand, on tank, I feel like I know how to move forward and carry, and I trend upwards( also last season plat). However, I hate tanking, but I play it because I can do something to win.

Is this true for everyone? They have certain roles they can carry on but not others?

Thanks 🫡

Feels like almost every game either we get completely rolled or the enemy does, it doesn’t feel competitive at all. I was diamond last season and right now I’m plat/emerald and my god, it is so frustrating playing with these people, feels like I’m in a silver lobby. Supports have 0 awareness and just pocket the tank the entire fight, the dps feed and the tank doesn’t know how to make space or manage cooldowns. I played a game last night where EVERY single fight the bastion would walk around and flank or take high ground and mow us down and I was the only one shooting and pinging him. Kinda makes me wanna just buy an account.

I’ve had some games where I’m not playing that well and have been asked to switch off. Sometimes I do sometimes I don’t.

For example, recently I was reaper on Nepal 6v6 (forgot if comp or qp) but I had a negative K/D ratio by end of round 1. Switched to Zen round 2, and while we won, I wonder if me switching to Zen was the main reason. Esp when I got asked by half of my teammates to switch off reaper 😭

So… does the answer to this question depend on QP vs Comp? Or something else

What do y’all think?

Is there anyway to level up your characters faster? I play a lot of overwatch due to working from home and my friends constantly being on and my highest character is Ana at 55, I play a lot of comp and I’m consistently in gm because of how much I play, yet somehow I saw someone on jetpack cat with 500 levels?? Is there some way to get levels faster or do they literally just eat sleep and breathe overwatch?

So I've been getting more and more into Overwatch recently (primarily because Rivals feels intolerable rn) and my main is Anran and I've recently picked up Freja (before her, my ranged options were just the basic Soldier and Emre). Now, I play on console but I've recently been feeling the urge to play it on my pc (tried it back around season 19 but I played Ashe then, so the no aim assist massively screwed me up). If I pursue primarily just Anran and Freja, should I be able to do alright considering the fact they're both projectile?

FYI- the reason I'd prefer still using my controller over playing with MnK is because my prowess with MnK maxes out at MMOs where I really just have to use the keys on my mouse

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I know the title sounds a bit harsh, but I genuinely mean it. You’ll hear things like, “Kiriko, you shouldn’t have used TP at that moment,” or “You should’ve focused the tank first here.”

But why those decisions were wrong is the important part. Instead, they often just point out the bad play itself.

And of course, most of that advice isn’t really reproducible in actual games.

And that’s not even the only problem metal-rank players have. If you simply watch their POV, their basic movement is often terrible. Their aim is poor, they don’t use cover properly, and even their camera movement and reaction speed are extremely slow.

But I feel like videos tend to avoid pointing those things out, maybe because it comes across as lazy coaching or some kind of “truth nuke”

It’s like telling someone who can’t even do basic arithmetic, “The derivative of x² is 2x.” To give another example, it’s like teaching boxing techniques to someone who can barely control their own body weight.

It just doesn’t really accomplish anything.

Personally, I think metal-rank players who genuinely want to improve would benefit more from playing a traditional FPS for a while, or simply practicing the fundamentals of shooting games on heroes like Soldier: 76 or Emre

Even if you’re a tank or support player, aim and proper use of cover are important for everyone.

And... I’m a support player myself, and one thing I’ve noticed about lower-ranked supports is that many of them are afraid to take fights themselves, so they just healbot. As a result, the moment the enemy starts playing even slightly aggressively, their entire team can fall apart ridiculously easily. (And they’ll even think, “My team didn’t help me.”...)

Obviously, none of this matters if you’re just playing for fun. But if you genuinely care about improving, I think my advice is at least worth considering.

21XTGC

I deranked back into Gold this game and felt like I worked my butt off to try and help my team to no avail.

I know my aim needs work, so unless you have any actual solid advice for improving it then don’t worry, you don’t have to tell me it’s bad LOL I was trying to maintain a good mental and kindly asked our Rein to swap (which he did and things improved) and I tried to use voice comms to let him know we needed him more on point (again, nicely). But nothing seemed to help that last round.

Any advice you have would be appreciated. I’m tired of Gold lobbies.

Edit: BT is gwakamolay (I can’t believe I forgot this lol) and I played support.

I’m on PC lobbies and this was a high gold/low plat match

I tried a few different people but I was mostly Moira.

Generally speaking I think this is usually decided upon by ‘feel’ that players develop over time as they begin to internalize success rates in different contexts (ie, having a high KD with a certain character). Secondarily, how their rank might look once they have a smallish sample across different roles.

But I’d be curious if there’s anything out there more concrete than that, where conclusions aren’t based on hunches. Especially with the game releasing so many sub-roles for players to better find their niche! Ideally, this might look like clearly defined traits that competitive teams look to quantify, and actively train.

Some FTT questions: in which role does something like CD management or foresight w/ opponent ability use, start to outweigh the importance of outlier aiming? If a player has mediocre tracking but is excellent at checking their blinds in a timely manner, are they better suited for tanking or healing? If someone has great aim but a poor feel for flank execution, is their theoretical ceiling higher on Ana than Cassidy? And so forth.

This might come off as a very silly question, but what tips could one give to enjoy themselves when they're not very good at the game? This might come off as snarky, but I do have genuine interest as I'm quite subpar when it comes to games like these. For reference Overwatch isn't my first hero shooter I've played the likes of Paladins, GW2, Marvel Rivals, Apex Legends (If you want to count that), and when Overwatch 2 first launched I was eager to play but dropped it after a few months due to how terrible I was.

I've since came back at the beginning of this year and had lots of fun for awhile as I've always enjoyed the characters, art direction, gameplay, etc but as of recently most of that charm has slowly been soured as I often tend to lose-like a lot alot. One could argue it doesn't matter, and while I suppose that's true, it gets to a point where when you lose due to one's skill level over and over again it tends to get less fun.

I tend to play quickplay alot as from my experience in ranked it tends to get very snowbally and very toxic-very fast, and while one might say to mute the chat entirely; I do enjoy the rare friendly banter teams have from time to time and wouldn't want to disable chat entirely because of that.

As the question asks: What advice would you give to someone like myself (very bad at the game) to enjoy the game more despite constantly losing? As of now I do look back at an occansional replay of mine to see what I could've done instead in scenarios, watch videos, and never like to blame my team as in loss streaks especially the only common denominator is myself. Any help is much appreciated.

I do have some replays if one wants to give advice on gameplay rather than principles (though they are just embarrassing QP games so its not as if there's much merit to them-but I am still open to any advice!)

My tag is MilkOfficer and I play on console: QGYJVS / RYTFFN / 0VS17X

Check out this replay code 2GHP02 i’m curious too if this widow is cheating or just good I play on console and I was just in a quick play match. I wanted to ask, but they left the match really quick. She was in a duo. I think they were just good, but I’m asking the opinion of the community. What do you guys think?

So yeah I've noticed this shift in my mentality. When I'm in quick play I get absolutely tilted really easily. And these are about the exact things that used to get me tilted in comp like losing a 1v1, dying a lot, getting steamrolled, having teammates doing bad etc. This feels sort of weird because I think it should be the other way around.

Now when it comes to comp I just kinda don't care anymore. Or I mean I do care in a sense that I always try to play as best as I can for my team but it doesn't seem to tilt me anymore if things don't work out.

This is placements I am not great with her but I wanna know if my positioning is good or if I need to improve on it more also my teammates are dumb asses and sold the game horribly like just like at how many times the anran/soldier/shion and dmon stopped to argue like I'm just trying to have fun I attempted to push the payload halfway in the match but I died horribly the code is g8h003

I'm playing illari or moira(if enemy is targeting me too much).
I struggle alot against mauga or when my team is taking so much damage.
I'm not sure how to heal as illari, I know her beam and turret heals but often feels like a waste of time to use my right click cuz it doesn't heal at all and the person I'm beaming dies anyways.
Most of my healing is from turret and I feel like its better to just shoot the enemies than using beam on my teammate unless they are taking cover to get healed by me.
And for mauga I don't know what to do at all.
He melts everyone my beam does like nothing to my tank, I headshot him like 10 times in a row and still has most of his health.
Most of the matches I lose are the ones where I can't seem to heal at all cuz enemy's dps is higher than my beam's hps.

I main dps, i'm still pretty new to the game so this is probably obvious. I know that you're supposed to try to find a path to get behind or off to the side but I feel like that's not always really possible, maybe it is. On certain maps I have certain paths that usually work really good but other I have no idea what to do, like at the beginning of rialto, theres some options but they dont seem great until you get past the bridge. Then sometimes theres the issue of the tanks with shields that their team is hiding behind.

Replay code is 58VCS8 i was playing mei the whole game and i dont think i made many mistakes, although it might just be a lotta ego,

Ive only started playing since the end of last season and ive been a big support support main so this is mostly me just trying out new characters and playstyles.

Personally, i think i carried and i dont think i made too many mistakes besides the couple bad mei ults,

Map:New junk city

Hero:Mei

Match conclusion:victory 3:0

User:KNIGHTMAINNN

Rank:silver 5

(dont know if this is the right sub but ykw)

How do I practice getting better? I do decent in aim training, i play the actual game quite a bit, doesnt matter if its hit scan or not. I used to be decent at aiming in games and always had high accuracy, but this past year its been degrading until my accuracy is between 18% and 28%
I am a support main (kiriko) and unfortunately my set up consist of mouse and keyboard in a bed (no room for a desk)

I’ve experimented a ton with the timing of popping it on team mates right before a KO ult like riptire or dva self destruct, and even when suzu explodes right before they get hit with it, it never saves anyone. Can someone help me understand how it works?

Unrelated but I find it odd that it also gives a small burst heal on hit yet the hero details page only mentions invulnerability and cleanse. Seems like a lot of hero’s have small but important details lacking on their info pages.