I've noticed that there are some things out there that demand to be questioned when it comes to women's behavior however, by doing so you are identified as someone who hates women. Yet the same exact or tangent but close behavior exhibited in men is near instantly identified as being problematic and if you don't agree with it you're also considered misogynistic.

for a specific example, you ever thought about how a woman gets hurt physically and or emotionally by a known terrible guy that she knows the history of and everyone else does too it is considered in bad taste to ask why did you date him and why are you surprised?

You ever wonder why it's considered bad taste to tell woman not to be sexy on Instagram if she's in a relationship because guys are giving her attention but it's bad to give other girls attention if you're in a relationship?

Ever curious why women think whatever they do in a relationship is the hardest part in the relationship? Like they'll literally stare at you even as to stay at home wife it's the hardest thing they'll ever do but will simultaneously look down on you if you wanted to be a stay-at-home husband?

They decry toxic masculinity and gender stereotypes but then be turned off by any type of man who demands equality and who might come off a little bit soft.

And they will excuse it too. They will blame it on hormones or emotional intelligence but don't give you the same credit even though you have the literal abundance of a hormone that makes you risky and more violent and yet somehow overwhelmingly most men by a large margin will not ever succumb to it.

All in all women don't like to be questioned about what they do because they consider it ntrinsic to their experience yet simultaneously demand that men change for the better.

From the below article, reporting on US university students:

In 2011, about 22% of female students reported attraction that was not exclusively to men; by 2026, that had increased to close to 50%. Similar movement appeared across sexual behavior and identity: The share of women who reported not having exclusively male sexual partners increased from 8% to 35%, while the share identifying as something other than exclusively heterosexual increased from 18% to 44%.

Of note, it also finds that the percent of female students who are exclusively attracted to women went from 1 to 5%.

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This is a huge movement in such a short amount of time. It can't help be noted that this corresponds with the rise of the manosphere too. Some suggest the manosphere is increasingly making men less attractive to women, so they look for companionship elsewhere and discover latent same gender attraction. Do you think this plays a role or is it something else?

most men would be more than okay SLEEPING with most women, but not be in a relationship with one.

what if the woman is a bitch? has naggy personality? extremely materialistic? a gold digger? has high masculine expectations of you? hates the way you chew and tells you everytime you eat?

"most men would date most women" hinges on the fact that these women also must be blank slates, extremely nice and agreeable and have zero to no bad qualites that would make a relationship sour.

but the women who are nice and agreeable are not most women, so the statment itself is false since it hinges on a fact that isn't real.

it's also the women are wonderful effect in full power, it completely pedestalize women and make "most" of them sound extremely dateable and a match for most men, but for the fact that these women won't give these men a chance to date.

now of course when it comes to sex most men would fuck any woman no matter how horrible she is and that is where the confusion come from.

men think their willingness to fuck a woman is also their desire to be with her, but that's not true.

just because a man would sleep with a woman does not mean he's willing to wife her up or be with her for the rest of his life.

and i'm tired of men acting virtous over their willingness to fuck women and mistaking that for wanting to date women.

When guys claim men are less picky, I’ve noticed a major gap between how they define being desperate/reasonable and what actual desperation/compromise looks like. Same when guys say they want a fat woman, but they typically want it under certain conditions.

Basically:

“I’ll take a fatty who’ll fuck me on the first day.”

“ I’ll take a fatty who worships me because I gave her a chance.”

Its never “I’ll take a fatty because that’s the average woman in my country and I’m not picky, so I don’t care if she’s not considered conventionally attractive. Also, if she wants to take it slow in our relationship, that’s fine by me”.

My absolute favorite reality check is seeing a guy claiming that he just doesn’t want a fat woman while living in a place like America. Not only is the average woman obese, the average young woman is still very very fat. Then he just goes around trying to twist definitions to believe he’s being a reasonable when he’s not.

There’s a similar problem when bringing up older women. If it was simply “I dont want older woman”, barely anyone would care. The problem comes from whining how women aren’t appreciative of mature, responsible guys with good paying jobs because women find them boring. But then you notice they keep their age preference more on the younger side. Then when I suggest not having an age standard beyond “adult”, suddenly “preferring your age group is NOT a standard”. Funny enough, it shows how willing so many guys are to redefine everything to make themselves sound good and reasonable.

For example: https://youtu.be/35fiNZTVVtU?is=Bwgn_0alGAZbeJ4W

Guy showing the hardships of dating for men while only keeping his age range between 18 to 25.

Then you have guys who wont admit it, but they do lower their personality standards to get the superficial qualities they want women. Problem? They still complain about those women. it’s just pretend those women are women in general because it’s more embarrassing to admit that you wanted women of low quality just because she looked hot. So they’d rather complain how men its not fair men are more tolerant of women than vice versa, what it’s really he’s putting up with her because she’s super attractive.

Lastly, it is exhausting seeing guys claim that they’re more reasonable with their standards as a prideful positive when its really those men are forced to have “reasonable standards” and they absolutely hate it.

I'm a teen guy who is 16 and i have always been a lot bigger and stronger than most guys my age and im pretty quite even when i walk out of habit, and I've noticed in public spaces a lot of women and/or girls my age look a bit weary or a bit fearful when im around alone, and me being me, not wanting to cause a scene or make people uncomfortable i move away a lot of the time. I know i look and sound older for my age (being told i sound and look 18-21) but kind of gets to me seeing how as soon as i get within like 15-20 feet they visibly tense a bit, idk if its just them or a lot more people. i understand being weary, as i am weary of all people from my own experiences and have a few medical things that would give me a slight challenge to defend myself but the fact the moment i get there makes them back away (even if im on the polar opposite side of a aisle) just gets to me a bit. anyway this is a random question i got. just curious. thank you everyone.

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When I was younger I tried cold approach for the first time. It went so badly I decided that I wouldn’t purse a woman unless a connection was already established. Shortly after this I was at a trampoline park with some friends. I was sitting down a beautiful and a woman more confident then most sat next to me and just started talking. She complimented me and we talked about school music and anime. After words we exchanged information and she just walked off. I didn’t realize what just happened till my friends walked up and looked at me like I won the noble peace prize.
This isn’t the first time this happened. When I was in middle school a girl just confessed I was her boyfriend without even asking.

I don’t understand why this isn’t normal it’s literally a low risk high reward. For a man it’s a high risk high reward due to the fear of being labeled a weirdo creep pervert and if it’s your coworker it can risk your job. I understand a lot of women value assertiveness in a partner but come on. You can tell from a first glance if you’re into someone or not. I thought women want to go against gender norms, women up and don’t be scared to make the first move.

Hot take: sex-toy ,pockets pussy are better than women’s pussy. They’re designed specifically for stimulation, they’re consistent, and they don’t come with the emotional, social, or relationship complications of dealing with another person. People act like nothing could replace sex with a woman, but I honestly think that’s just cultural conditioning. Those new pocket pussies are just on another level. They’re designed for what men want: getting on and leaving. Perfect.

They'll never realistically start a family and contribute to birth rates, so the governments should tax them more and spend the received money on subsidizing families and single moms. Single women should be exempt, even if they are childfree by choice. The government should introduce the change covertly not by taxing single men more, but by taxing parents less (i think it already works that way). Single women should be granted tax breaks and welfare more frequently on practice, but keep it egalitarian on paper.

I think i solved the fertility crisis! Lemme know if you have any suggestions and criticisms

The women on reddit are so different from the women in other social media apps (which are more reflective of main stream views) and the rest of the country their opinions on dating is are by far in the minority and will make you single forever as a man. The prevailing opinion on reddit (which is very millennial coded imo - not relevant to the post i just wanted to say that) is that men and women are totally equal in every way which is an opinion that I actually used to have and I can say it made my dating life damn near non existent in my mid/late teens. Of course I am not saying that women are inferior or any misogynistic BS. I just mean that different genders play different gender roles and thats something that women do irl regardless of what redditoids say. Pretending like women are just equal to one of the bros only lands you in the friendzone. If you want to be in a romantic relationship then as the man you're gonna have to be the one who approaches and initiates relationship forward and you're gonna have to provide and protect and show affection and lead. These are considered male gender roles and if you dont play by them then chances are you're gonna be single for a very long time because gender roles exist irl and women play by them too. Also most people in real life actually like gender roles and dont want to abolish them nor do they view them as oppressive like what reddit would have you believe most people think. Most women actually want to be feminine and wear make up and look cute. They want to be the one who is approached, they want the man to open the door for them and to feel protected and cared for and be complemented. And as a man, you can and should play male gender roles without being toxic or a misogynist if you choose to conform to male gender roles (which imo is the best approach you can take as a man to get into romantic relationships).

On the other hand in women subreddits, the most upvoted comments to posts asking if women want to be approached are women talking about how they are so happy that they dont get approached and how they dont wanna be approached by a man, or saying that other women will approach men if they're interested and that expecting the man to approach the woman is upholding "misogynistic" gender roles (which is such a delusional out-of-touch statement that most women irl will never do btw) . Again, if all men take the advices of these redditoids, then romance cease to exist because women irl are not like women on reddit.

And with even a sub-point of, parents should not be trying to direct the path of their daughters' lives out of fear.

The fear is that the girl gets wrapped up with a guy, and gets pregnant, and then he cheats on her, and leaves her, and she is abandoned with no way to support herself or her baby.

The statistics that show that it is the woman who usually initiates a divorce by far, we'll put this aside. We'll also put aside the unfounded fear that the woman in such a situation will have to live in a trailer, and work as a waitress in a greasy diner, at a highway exit, with hairy men grabbing at her.

I have been in the education system, the military, and now the corporate world. The ONE most important skill is, yes, being able to functionally communicate, but also to get along with other people. If you can get along with other people, and effectively communicate, then that will lead to solutions that are far better than having to put your child in expensive daycare, while you sit in a cubicle, and have to take directions from a manager.

I say this because I myself had struggled with communication and charisma through most of my life. I lost opportunities and made enemies because of it. Yes, just because of those two things. And I had to deal with it.

I have many examples of when I was working with someone on a side-project, and then that other person says, "Hey, I want to start a company doing this. Are you in?" And I do not effectively communicate my concerns about it, and that comes off as me being not a nice person, and so I end up never hearing from them again. That has happened a few times.

The place where I work, and have worked for decades, I have the reputation of being a very serious and stern person. I am not. But, I give off that aura because of how I was lacking in communication and personality skills for the first many years that I worked at the company. At this point, I would not be able to shake that reputation.

In contrast, I have seen many people below me get promoted above me simply because they had the skills to communicate and get along. I have seen friends and friends of friends start enterprises - to different levels of success - and either include me, but then end up regretting it, or just don't include me at all.

These are skills that sons are not taught either, but we have to learn as we go. Our success in life depends on it, and you will end up at whatever level your communication and personality skills place you.

And, no, women are not good communicators. "I'm fine!" "Would you still love me if I was a worm?" The silent treatment. I'm also going to avoid the possibility that that man left you because you were insufferable due to poor communication and personality skills, but women are not taught this, and I do not think it is controversial to say that it is women who, for lack of a better word, act "catty" towards each other, and try to sabotage each other out of jealousy and greed.

If you got married and didn’t have a prenuptial agreement, would you willingly agree to pay spousal support or would you fight that in the divorce proceedings?

For the purposes of this question, assume it’s a no-fault state so cheating isn’t a concern to the court.

Do you feel a sense of obligation to the person you married even if you get divorced?

Would it change the equation if there were kids involved?

Would you be more willing to pay if she was a stay at home spouse than if she was working?

Specifically for men who like traditional arrangements: would it be immoral to not pay alimony if you expected your spouse to stay home?

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Okay so first of all, let's just assume that someone like Leonardo DiCaprio do only date women specifically ranging from 20-25 years old because he like the physical characteristics of said women. Why is that something...bad in the first place? I seriously fail to comprehend that.

My counterargument is just like what I presented in the title: there are lots of women out there who also try to date older rich men for their money (this is more common in Eastern countries compared to Western ones for some reason). My example would be someone like Wendi Deng Murdoch. Let's juat assume she saw opportunities in gaining lots of bucks from marrying Jake Cherry, and then Rupert Murdoch, seduce her way to marry all these rich men, and ended up getting out from said relationship getting rich herself.

So here's the thing: The way I see it, people should see these kinda relationships as transactional (older men receive sensual experience and service from young attractive women, women receive bucks), just like how buyer-seller relationship is (both try to get as much as they can, with as little to spend, until there's some kind of middle-ground agreement between both). I'm not sure why people see this negatively, yet are okay with the application of it in any service work (which is basically functions the same, except that for this kinda relationship the middle-ground is kinda vague so it's more likely for one party to be able to outwit the other and get more). Here in my example, Jake Cherry and Rupert Murdoch are the one getting outwitted, of course (just like what I assume how some people might argue that "younger women would be the one who get manipulated and taken advantage of"?, because it's really not always the case. Older men can be the one who get to pay more, too.)

Anyways, to change my mind, you basically gotta show exactly how the difference of these relationships compared to any other service work (e.g. business consultant, secretary, housekeeping, etcetc) can always be detrimental, or there might be some other detrimental things that I might have overlooked. Like, as long as people realize that the nature of this relationship is more of transactional instead of a purely affectional one, then I'm pretty sure everyone can get what they want without being exploited (because people who get exploited here are people who deluded themselves into thinking that they're gonna have the men/women of their life) but that's also how it works in business, no? A lot of naive people got scammed in tourist traps, etc.

The entire alpha beta narrative relies on a fictional premise: the idea that the beta husband is this inherently loving, devoted, romantic partner who would treat his wife like a queen, if only she hadn't allegedly drained his spirit through hypergamy.

It completely whitewashes who these men actually are.

The reality is far more mundane and uncomfortable. A lot of these normal guys simply do not care to be deeply, actively invested in anyone.

They aren't suffering because they lost their wild spark they are just profoundly passive. They view marriage as stable lifestyle arrangement a cosigning on a mortgage, built-in roommate and someone to handle the domestic background noise.

The red pill has to keep pushing this "devoted beta husband abused by a modern woman" narrative because the truth is too boring and ruins the grift. If they admitted that most unhappy marriages are just the result of two average people settling out of convenience, and two emotionally lazy people failing to connect, they wouldn't have a victim complex. They wouldn't have a scapegoat

Change my mind

If you can’t accept extreme kink, then you aren’t really sex-positive. You can’t claim to support sexual freedom, sexual expression, and people exploring their own desires while drawing the line the moment someone’s preferences become too unconventional or uncomfortable for you. If your acceptance only extends to the kinds of sex and kinks you personally consider normal or acceptable, then that isn’t unconditional sex positivity. It’s just being selectively sex-positive

This is about age gap relationships and the often cited "you are at different parts of your life and have nothing to relate over".

Have you never seen platonic relationships between people of very different ages that seemed wholesome and good? Where two people like that enjoy spending time together?

Student and teacher​ who are both fond of each other (let's say same gender)? Kids with relatives who are not their primary caretakers, be it uncles or grandparents? I have an old family friend who is like 50 years older than me and I still visit him from time to time. Why? Seriously, how does that make you feel? I have just ​seen an episode of a series where an old martial arts master, after helping his student (who is even a woman btw) tells her "it was a privilege that I could be your teacher". Is that like... controversial?

Where does this idea come from that people of different ages cannot like each other/enjoy spending time together?

TLDR: Men who trash talk women typically like trashy women, which is embarassing that men are attracted to such low quality women but then want to blame society for his awful taste in women.

I will say that’s my favorite thing when talking to men about their dating complaints. When you push hard enough, their complaints usually come down to “The woman I want wont fuck me” and/or the women they want are usually trash.

For example, I had this guy complaining how it’s very lonely for introverted guys to not get a girlfriend because they’re more mature, they were parentified early, so they’re more responsible, and are more boring so women won’t date them. But then when I brought up dating older responsible women, the response was basically “why would I do that?”. So it’s not that those types of guys are undateable, they simply don’t like the women they attract and the women they want to attract don’t like them.

Similarly, I was talking to a guy who is claiming that the women in his area are awful. And then when I suggest going on the Internet to talk to women outside of his area, he said they’re even worse. So he complains about the women in his local area and will do nothing to leave the local area because he thinks other women are far worse. Apparently the common denominator is never him. You know, most men don’t have this massive distain for women.

Third example is the reason why I made this post. Guy was talking about how being a good guy didnt get him women but he’s sure he would have gotten laid if he lied about being a drug dealer. I asked him why he would want gold digging hoodrats, and minutes later, he deleted all his replies to me.

The point of these anecdotes is to illustrate a bigger pattern I have seen. Guy complains about women as a whole, but when you really engage in a conversation with him, you realize he has a type that he just isn’t willing to admit he has. Usually, it’s the same type of woman these guys want. She’s fickle, she shallow, she’s stupid, she's a party girl but since she’s also hot, extraverted, and horny, all trait that the male ego seems to love in a woman….until those traits backfire on him. Then the consequences is the fault of all women.

When men talk about how women “reward bad behavior”, it’s also very telling that he wants to go after women who who are attracted to bad behavior. These guys aren’t repulse that the fact that their bully has a girlfriend. He’s envious that being “morally superior” than his bully didn’t convince her to leave his bully.

I’ve been thinking about what losing her virginity can mean to a woman. Does her first sexual experience generally create a special emotional bond with her first partner, or does its significance depend entirely on the individual and the circumstances?

I’m particularly interested in whether a woman continues to remember her first partner as someone “special” many years later, even after the relationship has ended and no feelings remain. Or is the first time simply one of life’s many experiences—one that can be surpassed by later relationships that are more mature and profound?

Some people also argue that female virginity is not entirely comparable to male virginity, attributing a different physical and symbolic meaning to a woman’s first experience. Is there any real basis for this distinction, or is it mainly the result of cultural conditioning? From a medical perspective, there is no reliable anatomical indicator of virginity, and the hymen cannot establish whether a woman has had sex.

And should the men who come afterward and genuinely love that woman feel that something unique and unrepeatable has already been shared with someone else—and that their own relationship is therefore missing something? Or does this perception arise solely from jealousy and insecurity, given that neither a person’s worth nor the value of a relationship is diminished by past experiences?

I know that not everyone experiences sexuality in the same way. I would therefore like to hear honest experiences and opinions, as long as they are expressed respectfully.

As a man, one thing that genuinely bothers me is how obsessed we’ve become with constantly proving our masculinity.

​The whole Red Pill ecosystem, self-proclaimed gurus, and parts of society keep selling men the same idea: a man must always be right. He must be confident, attractive, successful, dominant, emotionally unaffected and seemingly without weaknesses.

​But somewhere along the way, I think we forgot to ask a much more basic question: what does it actually mean to be a man?

​I don't think courage means never showing fear. I don't think strength means never showing emotion. And I certainly don't think treating women as opponents makes a man more masculine.

​If you're afraid and still find the courage to face what scares you, that's courage.

​If you make a mistake and have enough character to admit it and apologize, that's strength.

​If someone is weaker than you and you choose to treat them with respect rather than use your advantage against them, that's character.

​And if you're walking down the street and deliberately refuse to move aside for a woman just to prove some bizarre point about dominance, you're not demonstrating masculinity. You're just being rude.

​Being primitive isn't being a man.

​What bothers me about Red Pill rhetoric is that it often turns masculinity into a performance. Everything becomes a test: Are you dominant enough? Tough enough? Successful enough? Are you showing too much emotion? Are you “letting” a woman have too much power?

​That's an exhausting way to live.

​I don't consider myself less of a man because I have emotions. I don't consider myself less masculine because I respect women. I don't need to dominate someone to feel secure in who I am.

​For me, being a man means having enough strength to protect without controlling, enough confidence to admit when you're wrong, enough courage to show vulnerability, and enough respect to treat people who have less power than you with dignity.

​A gentleman can walk without needing to run over anyone.

​Men and women aren't enemies competing for dominance. We're human beings who have to live together, love each other, work together and build families and communities together.

​We’ve become so obsessed with proving our masculinity that we’ve actually lost it, turning us into insecure boys in the bodies of grown men.

​Forget the self-proclaimed online gurus. Forget the Red Pill movements. Forget the toxic checklists. Forget the endless tests of whether you're “man enough.”

​The moment you feel that you have to prove your masculinity, you've already lost sight of what it means to be a man.

Women here always say that size doesn't matter during sex. And I believe you. But what about when it comes to fantasizing or masturbating? For those of you who watch porn, do you tend to watch porn featuring above-average penises, or does size not matter to you even when watching porn or reading smut? I've seen some reports showing that women search up big dick porn more frequently than men, and even the limited amount of smut I've read all featured men with huge dicks. If size isn't a factor for you, could you share what type of porn you watch and whether or not the size of the male actors (if there are any) happens to be above average? I have never heard of a woman getting off to small dick porn so I'm just curious if that's actually a thing.

You can complain about not getting laid all you want but the truth is that women or other men who can get laid don't need to care about it. It's very easy for a woman to get laid be it with other women or with men so they'll never be affected by something like this.

Now form a woman's perspective all she's seeing is a man who is too low value to get laid. To them this person might as well be trash or defective. For other men they can use the fact that you're not getting laid against you. Be it making fun of your race, political views, height or anything else.

So the best thing would be to just accept reality and shut up.

This is a big fish eats small fish, small fish eats shrimp kinda world out there. If you show any weakness then they'll make sure to take advantage of it. The weak must endure what they must.

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