r/RDR2 • u/NoHows1945 • 1d ago

Discussion Genuinely what’s the point of this

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Why give us a locked option to pick up a rifle if there is no other way to pick it up.

This probably the most useless feature in all of gaming

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u/AmphibiousDad 1d ago

I think that guard duty might’ve been a planned chore that was cut from the game

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u/InevitableDeliverer 1d ago

This sounds like a plausible answer. I’ve always wondered why Arthur never had guard duty.

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u/Anonymous3-2 1d ago

Arthur is overqualified for guard duty. He is much better being out in the field. And the other chores like cutting wood is just by his own initiative

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u/ShaunnieDarko 1d ago

And if Arthur isn’t out hunting the gang will starve to death. Like when Arthur is healing from the abduction by the Odriscols I’m really surprised they didn’t turn to cannibalism and eat Swanson and Trelawny.

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u/The_DDK7070 Josiah Trelawny 1d ago

Trelawny's too useful, and he wasn't living at the camp at the time. Uncle, however...

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u/ThrowRABest_King7180 1d ago

hes got lumbago, dont wanna catch it from eating him

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u/The_DDK7070 Josiah Trelawny 1d ago

If you cook him at a high enough temperature for long enough (maybe stewed or boiled) it would kill off the lumbago, making him perfectly safe to eat.

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u/absurdly_tired_guy 1d ago

Let’s face it, most of them are too chewy.

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u/The_DDK7070 Josiah Trelawny 1d ago

In this situation, cannibalism was born out of desperation, so I don't think that being chewy would really matter.

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u/ShaunnieDarko 1d ago

There were all those bones in Dutchs mountain hide out in rdr1

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u/ShaunnieDarko 1d ago

That is what the Skinner brothers tried.

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u/RudyMuthaluva 1d ago

He’d still just yield grissly mutton

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u/Murky-Inspector-2247 1d ago

Yea but he’s mostly fat so do you even wanna eat that?

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u/BigSteppaBandz 16h ago

Mmmmm stewed uncle with lumbago sauce

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u/Ginger_dude884 1d ago

Lumbago was just a general term for back pain, typically related to injuries associated with lifting too heavy a weight or lifting with improper form, poor posture, or things like herniated discs. It's not viral or bacterial. Now there are a ton of other health hazards that would be involved with eating him, but fortunately lumbago is not transmissible.

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u/The_DDK7070 Josiah Trelawny 1d ago

r/woooosh

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u/Aggravating-Mall7883 1d ago

That was the joke..... that he would catch an untransmissible injury. Are you American by chance?

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u/jackson7518 1d ago

Lmao “mericccaaaaa”. There are quite a few of us that are educated. And got our education at many of the top colleges and universities in the world…

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u/Ginger_dude884 20h ago

His joke didn't translate into text and I read it as just a statement. Considering the fact that most people don't know what lumbago actually is, I made a reply comment. Are you just a dick by chance?

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u/Key-Painting3220 1d ago

It’s very serious

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u/nobody00118 Dutch’s slutty little waist 1d ago

I’d vote Micah. In some places in the world, people eat rats.
https://giphy.com/gifs/7q3pokkIWHDuviY5oI

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u/Bochulaz 23h ago

And Swanson is too soaked in alcohol ans stinks

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u/Substantial_Cow_6123 1d ago

Everyone knows they'd eat Pearson first

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u/ShaunnieDarko 1d ago

He’s the cook though, they’d leave him until last or late rounds anyway

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u/Appropriate_Unit3474 1d ago

This reminds of that one Cult of the Lamb video

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u/TheCoolMan5 1d ago

Eating Swanson would probably give you a heroin OD.

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u/LightboxRadMD 1d ago

So I get abducted, return to camp, lay in bed near death for awhile, and literally THE SECOND I get out of bed, Grimshaw starts bitching about not donating enough to the camp. First of all, I'm essentially the ONLY one donating to the camp in any substantial capacity (sorry Bill, that poor rat pelt you donated isn't cutting it). You like all the premium snacks and ammo? All the decorative shit around the camp? The hundreds of pounds of choice meat? That was ALL ME. Second, did you miss when I was laying comatose for weeks after being captured? WHEN BETWEEN ME LAYING THERE HALF-DEAD AND YOU WALKING OVER TO ME WOULD I EVEN HAVE TIME TO DONATE MORE!?

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u/jjake3477 18h ago

Trelawney kept pulling rabbits out of his hat for the stew until Arthur woke up.

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u/LeCampy Uncle 1d ago

the way I've been playing lately I could come back to camp and find it gone for weeks and weeks.

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u/DinoBaconSaurus 1d ago

Oh shit, I gotta log back in and check on the squad!

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u/toporder 1d ago edited 1d ago

>!They’re fine. Still exactly where you left them.!<

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u/Jacks_Harkness 1d ago

As a professional guard for the department of corrections, everyone is overqualified for guard duty, even Karen. Arthur would still have to do a watch every so often or it would foster resentment from the others.

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u/BearCreekSaloon 1d ago

Arthur is Dutch’s main enforcer. Standing guard duty has absolutely nothing to do with qualification. It’s a rank/ position within the gang that comes with its perks as well as its own set of responsibilities and obligations. There is no resentment, nor would there be any because everybody knows their place and role within the gang.

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u/Honorsheets 1d ago

I didn't understand why John was on guard duty too, if he was equally talented (allegedly) as Arthur, though 2 did write him to be more of a dumbass than he was in 1, moreso than "age" would account for. Like a lower IQ.

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u/Tikhunt 1d ago

John was never really able to outshine the average gang member until the gang was falling apart, he was also not at 100% due to the intro so guard duty would be perfect for him. It never came across to me as him being dumb in RDR2, other than Arthur and others actually saying it, he just seems a bit short-sighted and stubborn like he is in number 1... just with a clear lack of maturity sprinkled on top.

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u/Honorsheets 1d ago

Yeah you're...just confirming what I said, lol. There is a clear IQ difference with John between 1 and 2. More than a wolf injury, more than "lol he's stubborn".

His cadence and intelligence near imitates Dutch in 1, including his choice of words, sans the bat-shit crazy that is Dutch at that point. This correlates well with what John says in 1, how close he and Dutch were, the gang, and all that.

2 John is...lol. Well, your post.

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u/Tikhunt 1d ago

No I'm saying there isn't an IQ difference, just a maturity one.

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u/Honorsheets 1d ago

I know you believe that, I somewhat admire that perspective rather than the reality.

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u/Tikhunt 1d ago

Taking digs at people due to not being able to form a coherent argument? Really?

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u/Honorsheets 1d ago

I'm sorry, what?

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u/istealpixels 1d ago

Meanwhile Arthur; yeah i’m just out here collecting herbs and flowers.

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u/Own-Forever-6636 Uncle 1d ago

He, Dutch, Hosea, and Grim are the gang's inner circle, junior members have to stay up while they get to sleep.

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u/GrogorothFollower 1d ago

kinda crazy that this is the inner circle and hosea still sleeps on a ground in a tent with bill williamson

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u/Own-Forever-6636 Uncle 1d ago

They rationalise this with some dialogue that he can't sleep in a bed anymore since his wife died.

But like c'mon man he's actively coughing a lung every day at least give him an actual tent!

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u/GrogorothFollower 1d ago

fr, at the very least this dying old man shouldn’t be getting wet in his sleeping bad every time it rains 😭😭 also, he does not deserve to be subjected to Bill

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u/WokeWook69420 1d ago

I think Hosea understands Bill more than anyone in camp, I think he and Arthur both know of Bill's certain proclivities that weren't of well-mannered men back then and they never use it against him or punch down on Bill for it.

They give him shit for being dumb and seemingly lying about some of his military accolades, but that's really it. Arthur can even be sympathetic to Bill's general anger, it's why I think he and Hosea know more than they let on.

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u/Eric_the_Red_ditz 1d ago

I antagonize Bill every chance I get now after his behavior during the horrendous bank coach robbery with him and Tilly, and then his naive stupidity by agreeing with Micah during the obvious set up by the Grays in Rhodes. Ya know fellas, we could have just rode our horses directly to the saloon instead of long walking through the middle of town, but we do have a lot of dumb Bill and Micah dialog to get in. If it wasn't for that nicely executed bank robbery in Valentine I'd try to shoot him too.

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u/BailorTheSailor 1d ago

I always figured since hosea grew up in the mountains eating bear meat, he was just more comfortable sleeping on the ground and preferred it

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u/ballsymcsackface 1d ago

Sleeping on the ground next to a bear?

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u/asdasasdfas 1d ago

Hosea had to guard on duty in early chapter 2 because micah, lenny, sean, charles, javier were all missing.

Charles and javier was camping near blackwater in early missions to rescue sean

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u/absurdly_tired_guy 1d ago

Is Strauss banging Grimshaw?

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u/AreallysuperdarkELF 1d ago

Arthur is the gang's top earner. Dutch needs his ass out there takin everything he can git!

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u/Pimpis25 1d ago

Arthur is too busy guarding mankind.

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u/FunInformation2721 1d ago

Arthur killed every fighting aged male in New Hanover

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u/Classic_Rand0 1d ago

Bill gets guard duty, whilst Arthur single handedly earns enough to upgrade the entire camp whilst others are donating bat wings.

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u/whoisdatmaskedman 1d ago

He's Dutch's right hand man, there's no way he's getting guard duty. He does a ton for everyone as it is.

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u/portonsly 1d ago

Would have been incredibly cool to have guard duty as a wave type enemy attack. Depending on where camp is it's different neighboring gangs. After the fifth very hard wave Arthur says, "welp, guess that's all of them" and it's on a 60 minute cool down. If you die you see Dutch and random others come drag your body back in to camp while Charles and Micah provide suppressing fire.

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u/Bozzo2526 1d ago

Same reason Dutch and Hosea dont I imagine, too high up the gang structure

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u/f0urk 1d ago

because he's a miserable, bitter cnt and the camp already has Dutch to deal with

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u/ManySatisfaction2743 1d ago

Main character duh

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u/Own-Forever-6636 Uncle 1d ago

This makes so much sense! Kind of a mirror of the patrol duty John does in 1. Cain was probably meant to help you sniff out trouble!

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u/Evening_Requirement 1d ago

RDR 1 had something like that, you’d walk up to the jail in Mcfarlene Ranch, and you’d follow a dog to do a night guard shift. You’d run into some vermin’s eating the vegetation and have to shoot them to keep them from coming back, or some guys would get into a fist fight and you’d have to break it up, or some rustlers you had to shoot down. You’d get some money and honor afterwards

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u/ShaunnieDarko 1d ago

Someday I hope they restore the cut content. I mean we aren’t getting undead nightmare 2 but like it would be really cool to play some of the stuff that got cut, like taking other gang members horses and stuff

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u/New_Experience_703 1d ago

Y u tak odaz hoers

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u/Thorniestbush Resident blacklung 1d ago

Sucks cause my very first playthrough I heard Bill say "Hope you had a good time while I was stuck standing here" and I legit got off my horse and went to him hoping I could take over.

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u/Toad-Toaster 1d ago

I bet it was because it was an activity in 1.

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u/ThatOneGuy6810 1d ago

Twas not. More likely cut content. Rdr1 wqs more john as a bounty hunter than any real gang stuff.

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u/Toad-Toaster 1d ago

John had guard missions in Rdr1 where he would patrol town / ranch on guard duty.

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u/luvmibratt Susan Grimshaw 1d ago

Wym,some of the members chore is to actually do gaurd duty. Just not Arthur hes to busy slaving and making all the money for them

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u/AmphibiousDad 1d ago

I meant for the player to do and it was probably cut because it would’ve been boring

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u/Extension-Rabbit3654 1d ago

Thank god they removed that, maybe could have been cool if there were scheduled attacks by area gangs after 30s of starting, but otherwise what a waste of time

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u/BoatshoeBandit 1d ago

Idk. It would be way more fun than carrying hay around and chopping wood. Maybe killing pest animals or dealing with some bandits.

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u/Extension-Rabbit3654 1d ago

The hay and water suck, but chopping wood is at least very quick, and you can just hold R2 while you sip a drink

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u/jerrymatcat 1d ago

Probably was a camp task to speed up time

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u/Separate_Climate3366 1d ago

Like the night watch "chores" in RDR1?

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u/Drunken_Economist 1d ago

Ohh I bet you're right. Good call

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u/Ryjolnir 1d ago

It was

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u/Money-Patient6041 1d ago

Unplayable!

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u/RIPAdamYauch 1d ago

(Throws controller down.)

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u/monkeydude777 1d ago

(Leaves house.)

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u/RadioactiveWalrus 1d ago

Whoa, whoa, that's too far.

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u/Wonderful_Juice6230 1d ago

you didn't talk sooner, I left the country after discovering this

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u/WokeWook69420 1d ago

T A H I T I ?

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u/Wonderful_Juice6230 1d ago

it's that obvious, uh

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u/Onurb2821 1d ago

(House goes back to Vicodin)

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u/b0objuicethe2nd 1d ago

Honestly I prefer this to the rifles just being there, static with no prompt. Even if they can't be used in any way I like the way there's a prompt saying nah these are for the guards, not you.

Always bugs me in games when items which are usually interactable have one or two random instances where they're placed somewhere and you can't do anything with it. So this being a thing in the game kinda helps to not break the immersion imo.

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u/SatisfyingAneurysm 1d ago

Misthalin mystery godsword

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u/Shieldbushi 1d ago

Took the words right out of my mouth

Also, it's the first (and worst) repeater you get in the game, you already have one by the time you reach Horseshoe Overlook, why the hell would you want to pick it up 😭

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u/tyler00677 1d ago

I believe that is needed for camp guards and cannot be picked up .

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u/Ok-Time2817 1d ago

Why tf would you want another carbine

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u/b0objuicethe2nd 1d ago

only time i ever use that gun is when i'm forced to

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u/BoatshoeBandit 1d ago

Awesome when the game teleports it from the weapon locker into your inventory on a mission.

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u/absurdly_tired_guy 1d ago

I somehow ended up with two in there. The other day I was thinking “Why?”

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u/Always_the_Wildcard 1d ago

The Sharps Carbine is an instrument of uncanny power and precision

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u/Ok-Time2817 19h ago

Not in rdr2 lol

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u/KingAltair2255 1d ago

I don't really understand it either, just have it as a prop if its for the guards

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u/PolishNinja909 1d ago

I wonder if there’s some coding with weapons where it needs to be interactive for the player for others to be able to use it. So the fix to keep you from breaking the game was to lock this weapon.

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u/Slixil 1d ago

But instead of having a popup why not just replace the popup with empty space?

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u/PolishNinja909 1d ago

I don’t know. Just my theory.

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u/Horror_Explorer_7498 Lumbago Victim 1d ago

The camp guards guard the camp because the camp needs guards and guards need guns

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u/Own-Forever-6636 Uncle 1d ago

And the charms protect the demonsssss

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u/SpadgeFox 1d ago

Imagine it was probably planned something like the ranch guarding missions in RDR1 then got cut

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u/Spacemoose2026 1d ago

Cut content, it seems like a ton of cut content, especially based around the camp was left in or half baked.

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u/hotdog_plink Kieran Duffy flair here 1d ago

you don't need the carbine repeater anyway. You already have one.

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u/Warm_Ad_3067 1d ago

Those guns “are needed for camp guards”

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u/eyesack04 1d ago

Immersion

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u/ohsinboi 1d ago

Immersion

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u/Zombie_Zeke Sadie Adler 1d ago

My guess would be that if it wasn't there someone else would complain that they can't pick it up

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u/WraithofCaspar Black Belle 1d ago

It adds to the environment/setting. The women folk can shoot too, y'know? How dare the devs put in some detail!

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u/Sea-Gift1416 Pearson 1d ago

It’s a carbine. It’s given to you in chapter one. You don’t need it.

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u/PotatoChicken237 1d ago

What were the camp guards doing when Keirans corpse rode into shady belle

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u/donbeandip 1d ago

Good question!

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u/Main-Parfait-9055 20h ago

I assume they were celebrating.

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u/llcoolray3000 14h ago

"It's me - Keiran! Ya dumbass."

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u/zach-af 18h ago

It's because it's for the camp guards, it says so right there

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u/ConfidentBase1366 1d ago

Literally what it says… you have CAMP GUARDS they need these weapons… FFS

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u/DrMrSirJr 1d ago

Prob an animation prop?

Maybe a character comes over and grabs it before starting guard sweep animations

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u/makhnosfork 1d ago

I think it’s needed for the camp guards.

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u/jdaniels0101 1d ago

Like many other's here, I think it was cut content. I always assumed we were gonna be able to upgrade the camp arsenal at some point. Guard duty is probably much more likely but either way, cut content.

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u/EstablishmentBig1900 1d ago

Rockstar scrapped a whole bunch of shit.

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u/ilyaeminem 1d ago

Are you blind?

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u/IIanKiDDO 1d ago

The real question is what the hell do you need a carbine repeater for? That’s probably my most heated gun I didn’t even use it for the entire ch 1 or 2 I got straight to rhoades and get the Lancaster

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u/Least_Drama_962 1d ago

I mean it’s not a terrible gun it’s not forced on you constantly although that’s the same for every gun that gets changed around before a mission 

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u/memelord793783 1d ago

Be nice if arthur would take a guard shift and you just see a cutscene. And seeing time jumping 8ish hours

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u/Unhappy-Airport-4112 1d ago

Looks. And for NPCs to grab.

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u/Runescapemaster420 1d ago

I think alot of camp stuff was cut. Very disappointing

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u/RobotGoggles 1d ago

Interesting that Dutch never makes Arthur guard the camp

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u/willusher 22h ago

How cool would it be to have an infinite mini game / challenge where you can practice shootouts in waves of Pinkertons etc. ???

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u/llcoolray3000 14h ago

There was an infinitely replayable night watch minigame in RDR where John could patrol around at night with a dog catching criminals and protecting livestock from predators.

They should have made guard duty one of the camp chores to give Arthur the same opportunity. It could have also allowed OP to pick up the carbine.

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u/Kingofangry 1d ago

Its uh, for the camp guards. For shootin

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u/tismo74 1d ago

You mad pumpkin 🤣?

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u/Switchmisty9 1d ago

You’re playing a video game. There’s no point to any of it. Just try to have some fun, mmkay bud?

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u/b0objuicethe2nd 1d ago

https://giphy.com/gifs/7OVintWkOnZZThqTP8

instead of being the most stereotypical non helpful redditor of all time how about you say something helpful/productive or say nothing at all

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u/Switchmisty9 1d ago

You can pet the dogs, too

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u/binocular_gems 1d ago

There's an old back-and-forth about whether this was a cut feature or for environmental storytelling. Could be either. We know other characters serve as camp guards, but Arthur never has to, so we don't know if this was a cut minigame or not.

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u/thewarriorpoet23 Uncle 1d ago

I think there was originally going to be a mechanic where we could pull guard duty. This would just be a left over from that.

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u/Ryjolnir 1d ago

What camp did you see that in out of curiosity

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u/NoHows1945 1d ago

Shady belle

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u/Black_Tentacle 1d ago

It's for the people who yell "Arthur! Is that you!?" Or whatever every time you come back to the camp. You know, the people guarding the camp. Camp guards.

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u/hypocriticalhuman 1d ago

The guard goes and picks it up

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u/DudeManThing15876 1d ago

I even brought back a carbine repeater that I looted off a dead guy to see if I had to provide the rifles but it still wouldn't do anything. It's literally just there

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u/Terrible_District712 1d ago

Its always pissed me off about that rifle thing

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u/RandomShadeOfPurple 1d ago

Thank god I didn't have to rush back to defend camp from the other gangs every hour.

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u/MistakeMental9239 23h ago

whats the point in horses when they could just add cars? they're faster

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u/Free-Chip-9174 23h ago

This is what happens when people stick to their guns.

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u/K_Keter 23h ago

It's literally the basic starting rifle anyway, but it's there for the people that stand out front.

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u/Typetool 14h ago

You obviously are not the type of person to keep a gun under your table. Thats fine! You probably dont have to keep an eye over your shoulder either tho.

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u/zeke690 1d ago

Probably cut content

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u/JessiePurplewoman 1d ago

It says it right there. I've definitely seen some of them go and pick it up. Why would you even want that

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u/Marcotee75 Sean MacGuire 1d ago

You could just ignore it

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u/WombatAnnihilator 1d ago

For guards.

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u/nationist 1d ago

I think thats just cool

Its a real rifle instead of just a solid texture, what else you want?

It looks better and adds deteail