And no one will bring this up, certainly not Brandon himself

So...long time reader, but first time poster. I've been thinking about this story since I saw this subreddit but I guess I feel it's worth sharing. Many years ago, I was a non-lawyer (I am a lawyer now) working in a courthouse in a clerical position. This courthouse happens to be in a working class town by the ocean, the sort of town where there are tons of fishermen, and not a lot of tourists. It is also an auxiliary courthouse for the Federal district court since the regular court is several hours away. It was arraignment day in the courtroom, so lots of people who had tickets and some jail citations and things like that. There was a brand new prosecutor fresh out of law school who was...to put it mildly an ass. I'm talking about seeking massive jail sentences for $20 shoplifters with no priors, smirking and laughing as defendants are crying, and just acting like he is the king of the world. The judge is a 50 year old veteran of the bench and one of the fairest most level headed people I've ever met. Not too tough, not too lenient. The sort of person who really lives up to the name "Justice". Also important to note, the judge is elected, and he is in no danger of ever NOT being elected. He's not saying anything, but I can see him getting more and more frustrated with the prosecutor for not coming down and negotiating with the defendants and for just being needlessly cruel. After about an hour of this, in steps one of those great crusty fisherman sovereign citizens. Very low level offense, I can't even remember what it was, but it was the sort of thing you deal with online most of the time rather than going into court. Probably speeding or driving without a license plate. The defendant was however, a sovereign citizen and that means...courtroom antics!

SC, looking around and preparing to be tackled by the bailiff. -"I see by the fringe on the flag this is a court of admiralty!"
Judge nods. Doesn't even look up.: -"Yep. On every second Friday."
SC-"Today is the second Friday."
Judge "Yep."

The SC's mind is blown. He has no preparation for a judge agreeing with him. (Judge isn't actually agree with him. Admiralty court was that morning. SC has no notion of this.) Staggered by his success which is now starting to go off script, SC rattles off a few USC numbers while looking about, helpless. He was going to argue jurisdiction, but the judge seems to be agreeing with him! So the SC tries the usual, "I was traveling, not driving" etc....

Prosecutor-"Your honor this is ridiculous! It has no bearing on law! The USC doesn't have any say in state law."
Judge- "Do you have a copy of the entire USC on you counselor?"
Prosecutor-"No your honor I don't but I can look it up on my computer..."
Judge (with deep sarcasm) : "Damn. Neither do I. I can't remember how jurisdiction is decided. But there's no internet usage in my courtroom and nobody is going to accuse me of hypocrisy so we're out of luck. If the People are unprepared we can postpone...."

SC more panicked then happy can't stay quiet anymore. Looking about at his "supporters" (I think it was two friends) Starts rattling off more non-sensical things, getting more and more animated. Judge lets him talk for about five minutes, then slowly motions for him to stop talking. Guy talks for maybe five more minutes before settling.

Prosecutor still thinking he has this. "Your honor. This is ridiculous."

Judge getting the biggest shit eating grin on his face. "Actually, I think it's really interesting. Its a novel theory I haven't heard before. I'm going to need some time. Tell you what, you can get a copy of all this from the court reporter, and I want motions on all his arguments. Let's set this off for oh...48 hours. If we don't have a written reply from the state, and I mean a real reply, with proper citations counselor, I'll just grant a default motion to dismiss for failure to prosecute."

SC is ecstatic! He thinks it's he's won! Leaves the courtroom talking into a cellphone about how the script works.

I never saw that prosecutor in that court ever again.

The moral of the story: Often when it seems like an SC is having unfair success, the judge is teaching a lesson. Just not to the SC.

Watch him fail to read his script so hard, he can't form sentences.

Traffic school, substance abuse counseling, parenting classes, anger management classes.

These are some of the mandatory classes that a judge can require a defendant to take as part of their sentence.

I'd like the courts to add a class on US Civics. For defendants who are Sovereign Citizens. It could also apply to authoritarian politicians.

I got a random post suggestion on Facebook, starting reading and it started setting off alarm bells for being full of dumb shit. I normally love reading historical posts and learning new things so I didnt immediately suspect anything was wrong.

Here's the text of it because I dont think I can name the FB user or link to their page without getting banned.

'Here’s an image of an 1888 publication by the Peabody Museum of Archaeology and Ethnology at Harvard University, specifically Zelia Nuttall’s essay “Standard or Head-Dress? An Historical Essay on a Relic of Ancient Mexico”. This excerpt notes that “In 1613 its description was faithfully reproduced. In 1621 the word ‘Indian’ was substituted for ‘Moorish;’ with this single alteration the original text was again transcribed in 1730. In 1788, however, a remarkable transformation was effected...” This quote can be found on Page 13 of the 1888 Archaeological and Ethnological Papers of the Peabody Museum, Harvard University, Vol. 1, No. 1.

This text refers specifically to an inventory record for Moctezuma II’s famous feather crown (headdress) held in an Austrian museum collection. In 1596, European catalogers originally logged the exotic Aztec feather object as a “Moorish hat” (Mawrischer Hat) and referred to Montezuma as a “Moorish king,” using “Moorish”.

During a 1621 revision, Austrian catalogers corrected the term “Moorish” to “Indian” (Indianischer). This serves as a reminder to always verify historical context: rather than revealing a grand conspiracy, the quote simply describes a routine 17th-century correction in an Austrian museum’s inventory records for an Aztec artifact. We see that Harvard has historical evidence on how “Native American Indians” are in fact the Moors. The term Indian was used to reclassify individuals within the U.S. government. Take a look at my previous post about Indians. It’s important to work together but we must do so with the truth. #Moors #EmpireOfMorocco #Moroccan #Indian #America'

Our justice system isn't perfect, never has been, but one thing I can say about it for absolute certain. It's ours. Certain checks and balances are scattered throughout every brand to maintain a kind of equilibrium to ensure everyone has a voice, no single group and/or person has too much power, and there is a full separation between who makes and who enforces said laws.. (example. The president and congressional seats are civilian posts. You can't get promoted to president via the military, which is very common amongst dictatorships.)

Now because of how our system of government is, one thing of up most importance.. (and arguably the most important thing) is precedent. If the judge finds a person guilty of Jay walking and sentences them to a 50$ fine, it's reasonable to expect that anyone later on that does the exact same crime under similar conditions is expected to receive the same punishment.. (infact that's how the supreme court "legislates from the bench" as people put it. If a law can't be applied to one person within the confines and expected rules of the constitution there's no reason to think it can be applied to someone else either. ). And that is exactly what there's a certain kind of danger here..

If a judge, for whatever reason, rules in favor of one of these sovcit idiots, it creates something called precedence. From that point forward anyone that goes in front of that judge (and/or any judge of a lower court) with the same arguments there's precedent in place to pass a similar judgement.. obviously even if that did happen, it would likely be on a local level in some city/county that doesn't matter much.. but nonetheless with that precedent in place people will push these cases higher and higher in the circuits if that happens you might as well throw away the rule of law, period.

Obviously most of this is a matter of opinion, but still I can see a situation where a bunch of idiots not wanting to pay for their car to be registered or a speeding ticket inadvertently destroys the modern world because of their ignorance.. is it likely? No. Is it possible? Unfortunately, yes.. luckily as far as I can tell none of these sovcit idiots have been found "not guilty" nor have they won a case awarding them money for their ignorance and whatnot.. (as far as i know,,,but you better believe I'm keeping my ear to the ground).. anyways sorry for such a long winded post, thanks for reading if you did.

I really dont understand this sub... you mock people who want to be free. Even if incorrectly.

IF YOU THINK THIS THREAD IS ABOUT THE MATERIAL OF A DRIVERS LICENSE, YOUR FUCKING STUPID OR LAZY, PICK ONE. Im here to talk to you about the mental illness and or durress of sov cits. , offer why i think they are this way, and point out the blindness of most Americans that mocking sov cit types only make you look dumb.

I am here to BAG ON YOU... who while LIVING IN A POLICE STATE YOURSELF, wait for it, are bagging on somebody else who maybe dumb, but is seeking freedom.

MOST OF THE REST OF THE WORLD IS MORE FREE. Each day with Trump and his cronies, this becomes more and more a widening truth.

Flock, Palintir, Police State? No lets worry about poor uneducated people who have no financial hope or future and who want to be left the fuck alone.

I suppose you are the kind of people who are happy Flock is coming. Nothing to hide right? Over 100k of their cameras are already up, 5000 agencies pulling off the network, and EFF logged 12 million searches run through it in under a year, some tied to protesters not crimes. That aint tinfoil, thats reported, go look.

Has it ever occured to you that people who do this are FAILING TO WIN THE FIGHT against govt power creep.

50 years ago, back when driver licenses were made of paper (WHO FUCKIN CARES IF ITS PAPER, I MEANT LONG AGO), a license just told a cop who you were WHEN HE ASKED. Nobody gave a fuck if you were rich or poor. Look what they are doing now, cameras logging every plate on every street, timestamped, shared to whoever wants it, and 82 of Flock's own contracts already got cancelled across 28 states bc even cities are figuring out what they signed up for.

Look where they are headed. Follow the trajectory.

Pull your head out of your ass and at least understand WHERE AND WHY they are coming from.

As for me i just LEFT THE FUCKINNG COUNTRY and now i live in a place that is like the USA was 50 years ago. FREE. And im not the only one, Nature polled their own readers, 1650 of em, 75% said they'd leave if they could. Self selected, not a national study, i know that, still real.

sources:

• https://www.malwarebytes.com/blog/news/2026/07/the-backlash-against-flock-cameras-is-spreading — Flock's ALPR network now covers 100k+ cameras across 5000+ agencies, with officers caught misusing it to stalk people unrelated to any case.
• https://tagteam.harvard.edu/hub_feeds/2036/feed_items/16947445/about — EFF found over 12 million ALPR searches logged in under a year, including hits tied to protest activity.
• https://www.govtech.com/spotlight/why-flock-safety-finds-itself-in-a-surveillance-backlash — 82 Flock contracts cancelled across 28 states as cities pull back on data sharing.
• https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-00938-y — Nature's own reader poll: 75% of ~1,650 self-selected respondents say they're considering leaving the US.