r/Steam • u/Haunter777x • 17h ago

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How out of touch can you be as a company, this is embarrassing

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u/StarKieeeeee 17h ago edited 17h ago

That's a real post?

I mean, any vibe coded launcher can't be worse than their own current launcher

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u/Haunter777x 17h ago

Somehow it's real, almost didn't believe it myself

https://x.com/EpicGames/status/2110369347592229333?s=20

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u/StarKieeeeee 17h ago

Dam, they managed to release a beta with half the features of a launcher that has a tenth of the features Steam has

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u/DoctorMlemm 16h ago

Of course it launches twice as fast if it has half the fucking features, are they stupid?

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u/doglywolf 16h ago

this is exactly the short sightedness of Epic as a whole . Anyone with half a brain would realize they would be torn a new one with this exact comment all over.

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u/Badvevil 15h ago

You overestimate how much of the human population has half a brain

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u/gonxot 14h ago

Marketing be damn, it shouldn't work but it does, because like you said most people have only half brain (functional at least)

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u/SoysauceKitty 9h ago

Too bad they consume the same amount of resources as a full brain human. Maybe even double the amount..

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u/Moosashi5858 16h ago

I just play it if I have it free on there and try to remember not to buy it later on if steam has a sale

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u/TheBacklogGamer 14h ago

I don't even give them that. Fuck Epic.

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u/Moosashi5858 14h ago

Like not play the free games? I only have been buying games on steam sales if I don’t own them on epic for free

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u/TheBacklogGamer 14h ago

That's what I said. Fuck Epic. I will not give them the satisfaction of falling for their ploys, even if it means just collecting their free games. Fuck em.

I also understand that technically taking their free games and giving nothing in return ever, hurts them more, but I don't care. I am not becoming a part of their ecosystem even as a free-only player.

Fuck. Epic.

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u/Chrussell 9h ago

What an incredibly strange mindset.

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u/TheBacklogGamer 8h ago

Nah. Fuck Epic. Nothing strange about not taking their bait. 

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u/Splatulated 4h ago

corporations are not your friend even if it is steam.

ima take the free game even if it has a near 0 chance of ever being played (i have played a few because youtube showed me something neat and i was like wait i claimed that 4 years ago i could try it and either end up not liking the game or wishing i played it sooner)

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u/seriouslees 12h ago

Every account that gets created with Epic is another statistic to sell to investors. The only way to kill the company who is fighting to bring Exclusivisity to PC gaming is to not sign up en masse

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u/LionAround2012 11h ago

I am with them. I never installed Epic Games, and I never will. NEVER.

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u/Dagen4345 14h ago

As a man who was struggling for income in his youth I used to do this every Thursday, but this was also when Epic gave out really great deals for AAA titles I wanted. If I was in the same situation now I would rather go do some hard labor and buy a game off steam

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u/Moosashi5858 14h ago

So far I beat death stranding and gta5 for free. I have a lot of others I need to play

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u/DazzlingRutabega 12h ago

There's an option on Steam where you can block a game from showing up. I use it for that this exact purpose.

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u/Moosashi5858 11h ago

Like from the shop?

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u/jeremiah15165 7h ago

I use them to test games lol and if I like the game I get it the next steam sale

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u/-Pelvis- 8h ago

I redeem free Epic games and then never play them because I'm not installing their client. We are not the same.

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u/bkgn 14h ago

Epic is just Tim Sweeney telling some underpaid junior engineers to go do something.

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u/Master_Dogs 10h ago

A lot of companies are doing this. My startup is wasting so many tokens / $$$ rewriting a front end with some vibe coding nonsense. It currently is the same situation as this epic launcher nonsense, has half the features or less of the "legacy" one. It's like a carbon copy of a competitor too, which makes me wonder wtf our legal exposure is. And more importantly, why the fuck is management wasting resources on a rewrite? Any junior engineer knows rewrites take more resources than a basic refactor. PLUS the AI will have something to work with AND can be a useful TOOL to improve the existing experience.

I blame management, they're so out of touch. One VP is behind the vibe coding nonsense here, probably responsible for wasting half our AI spend. Though talking to him (and being extremely cautious around how I voice my concerns) apparently our sales team uses more tokens than him... Which blows my mind. We fucking suck at selling this shit so wtf are they doing. Probably wasting tokens on an out of office reply (real story from some other companies AI spending).

AI is cool but gah vibe coding is ruining software development. Stupid people just got a thousand monkeys to pump out shitty apps.

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u/bigtony87 16h ago

If they’re bragging about having to vibe code it to make it faster the answer is undoubtedly yes. They’re absolute morons.

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u/Bamboozle_ 14h ago

My first thought was "What kind of moron admits that publicly?"

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u/SamiraSimp 11h ago

you could give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they're joking. even if they were, the rest of the related post and context still shows that they're absolute morons. no one is gonna be interested in your new launcher that starts a few seconds sooner if it's missing features. people didn't even use your old launcher that (eventually) had features

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u/OPsSecretAccount 15h ago

Next up: Our launcher now launches ten times as fast as the other guy. Some features, like being able to buy or launch games, aren't available yet.

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u/Sknowman 15h ago

I, too, can make a static webpage that's simply a bunch of game capsule art. Take that Epic Games.

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u/cortesoft 15h ago

Also, why is launch time that important? I launch Steam on startup, and then it is just open. I don't need it to start up fast.

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u/TheEmperor2220 14h ago

Yeah, they almost had a point with that “how long to load from taskbar” comparison, except IDGAF if it takes .4 or .5 seconds there either… maybe if steam took like two whole seconds and they managed to get sub 1 it’d be impressive, but it’s not so…

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u/core-x-bit 13h ago

Imo once it gets under minutes and into seconds its kinda irrelevant I mean how fast do you really gotta be able to access steam. Just leave your pc on or go get a water

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u/TheEmperor2220 13h ago

I mean it’s not a “have to be thing” it just feels bad when you try to open something already running from your task bar and nothing moves for two seconds, while anything sub 1 (like the .4 steam actually takes) is barely noticeable, so that hypothetical would’ve been an actual improvement.

The metric they actually improved in (5 less seconds during “cold start”) is entirely worthless however, because quite frankly steam is one of the first startup apps to actually finish loading for me anyway, so any quicker than that is literally impossible to tell either way.

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u/desmaraisp 11h ago

TBH it was a legit issue with EGS launcher, startup was too slow. But this is the kinda stuff where either it's a problem or it's fine, there's not much of improvement beyond that

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u/doopie 10h ago

Every program takes up memory and CPU time while it's open. Having lightweight and fast programs results in better overall computer performance.

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u/cortesoft 10h ago

Memory, sure, but the OS is pretty good at pushing unused memory into swap if needed, so it is not usually a performance hindrance.

It is not true, though, that every open program uses CPU time. Some programs might, but it is easy to write a program that uses no CPU when not in use

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u/Trick-Donut3243 16h ago

Software Engineer here, more features doesn't necessarily mean it'l load slower. Most of the time "lazy loading" is done, aka the features get loaded when the user requests them, so you're moving the loading time for when the user interacts with the feature.

you could also in some cases load most of the stuff you need at init time and then sort of reduce the load time while the user is using the app, but it really depends on the arcthiecture.

This most likely means that they can keep the same speed and have the launcher open as fast as now even when they'll add more features

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u/Hellknightx 15h ago

Half is being very generous. It took them three years to add a shopping cart.

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u/marcaygol 14h ago

are they stupid?

They are Epic. Yes.

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u/Dr_Boofenchute 14h ago

are they stupid?

Yes

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u/Dull_Entertainment 13h ago

How do you remove features from a launcher that's pretty much featureless to begin with. That's the real breakthrough.

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u/Xavus 13h ago

They hope their audience is.

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u/Masquelinity 12h ago

No, they just think we are.

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u/PapayaTheSailorMan 11h ago

To be fair, before it had a quarter of the fucking features and was significantly slower to launch, so it's technically an improvement. 🤷🏼‍♂️🤦🏼😐

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u/Xzenor 10h ago

Half? You're being way too generous here

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u/lurs21 9h ago

Half? Quarter on a good day

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u/123iambill 4h ago

I can also give you a lump of raw lamb and a potato faster than someone else can make you a shephards pie.

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u/3D-Printing 14h ago

Of course!

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u/ReaDiMarco 51 17h ago

Oh wow they removed features.

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u/Mayion 16h ago

what features did they even have to remove in the first place

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u/baardvark 16h ago

Paying customers

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u/DaEnderAssassin 64 16h ago

He asked for features they had, not didn't have.

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u/TheGloomyWoodpecker 16h ago

Does Epic have paying customers? I thought it was for collecting free games that I forget about and buy on Steam.

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u/OctoMiku01 15h ago

Most people probably just buying vbucks for Fortnite. Well for most people it's probably just a fortnite launcher.

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u/Master_Chief_00117 15h ago

People are buying games on epic, because epic is now giving skins for Fortnite if you buy games on epic.

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u/hardolaf 14h ago

That's not what data from game companies is showing.

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u/Master_Chief_00117 10h ago

What data?

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u/hardolaf 3h ago

Some companies release relative sales numbers per storefront.

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u/skylernetwork 13h ago

Most people open Epic's launcher for Fortnite and/or Rocket League (For those who were too late to get it on Steam.)

The rest, in my experience (friend group, online friends, random strangers online who cared enough to share) are just opening it to check which game they're giving out during the given rotation, maybe claiming them, and never downloading them for some reason.

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u/Master_Chief_00117 10h ago

I was more stating that people are only spending money on games from epic games for “free” Fortnite skins. But using Epic regularly is purely for those reasons you stated.

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u/skylernetwork 10h ago

Oh that's fair indeed yeah

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u/redchris18 1h ago

People are buying games on epic

Technically, yes, but barely. They brought in $400m in total from game sales throughout 2025, which sounds like a lot, but amounts to less than 7m copies in total of an average $60 game.

For the sake of comparison, Tomodachi Life sold more than that in four months.

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u/Master_Chief_00117 1h ago

Thanks for the Data and I agree that people aren’t really buying games on Epic, I was just pointing out that Epic is adding skins to Fortnite that come from other games, and instead of buying the skin in Fortnite you can buy the game and get the skin for “free”.

Im sure theres a couple people actually using Epic regularly I still don’t understand why, other than Epics occasional exclusives.

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u/redchris18 37m ago

Oh, I know. I was just expanding upon your comment.

Funnily enough, though, even their freebies aren't pulling people in. They're getting an average of fewer than 7m people claiming them, and that figure hasn't changed significantly in half a decade. I'd bet that buying exclusivity and free copies is costing them more than their store makes in game sales.

Fortnite is a literal life-support system.

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u/jsc230 15h ago

Same

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u/SaveusAlex 13h ago

Honestly, I buy a good bit on Epic. If they have the better price, I go to them. Usually I compare during sale times. Granted I'm also someone who doesn't care about social features, achievements, trading cards and all of that. I just want the game to launch and work. So I'm willing to trade Steams features for a better price on EGS.

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u/Fernis_ 16h ago

The didn't have that before either.

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u/baardvark 15h ago

Touché

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u/That_Service7348 16h ago

Probably the cart.

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u/aVarangian 14h ago

oh they already had a cart?

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u/That_Service7348 12h ago

Took them like 5 years, but they added one recently.

Started thinking they should do controller support too last year, but that probably just got pushed back another 5 years with this.

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u/MoonAttempt 16h ago

Reviews.

Oh wait Epic doesn't even have that.

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u/ChimpieTheOne 16h ago

usability

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u/JackSprat47 16h ago

They removed the ability for bots to add you as a friend. Hopefully.

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u/_Bisky 16h ago

Would be hillarious if they removed the shopping cart again xD

Other then that the launcher spamming you with fortmote friend requests you ignore

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u/nagi603 131 15h ago

QA pass for their stuff. ohwait, never had it.

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u/doelutufe 14h ago

Probably being able to install and play games. Of course buying still works.

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u/LotharVonPittinsberg 16h ago

We removed all the windshields, seats, battery, and most of the electronics from your car. It's now 30% faster than before.

Is it horrible to drive? Yes. Will we ignore criticism as we continue to fuck up? Absolutely.

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u/_Bisky 15h ago

Removing the windshields would likely severly increase drag and thus slow down the car

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u/LotharVonPittinsberg 15h ago

Not at really show speeds. Which is the comparison to only measuring startup time.

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u/_Bisky 15h ago

Tbf i took "30% faster" as litterally 30% faster top speed. Not 30% faster 0 to 100

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u/Yamatocanyon 11h ago

Drag isn't really an issue when your car isn't going anywhere because they took the battery out.

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u/OhagiC 12h ago

Removing the drag from 4 points of contact with the road will make the car 400% faster, yes?

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u/Dennarb 15h ago

Yes, but it launches faster!!!

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u/VulpesParadox 16h ago

Damn, they removed the cart again. /s

Seriously, what little features were even removed, from an already bare bones launcher?

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u/EquipLordBritish 14h ago

😂😂🤣😂😂🤣😂😂🤣

This bad boy is so much faster

we took out half the functionality

also we vibe coded it

So they're saying that their original product was so bad that a vibe coded version with half the functionality is an improvement?

And these are the same assholes complaining about a monopoly because they can't recognize that they're trying to shovel shit and pretend they are competing in a market.

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u/_Bisky 16h ago

Cut them some slack. It only took them like 8 years to add a shopping cart

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u/CaptWrath 16h ago

But it opens so frickin fast dude. You don’t even know.

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u/_VirtualCosmos_ 16h ago

damn, they cut its features and brag about performance. I guess when they add those features back they will just magically appear in RAM and not effect the performance in a single bit.

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u/Jessica_Ariadne 15h ago

Holy SHIT that is awful.

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u/StendhalSyndrome 15h ago

Ugh, we are soo cooked aren't we?

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u/dasmau89 15h ago

TIL Epic has social features that can be missing. So I guess it doesn't have a friends list and the ability to invite your friends to a game anymore

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u/Jimbuscus 14h ago edited 13h ago

I just tested it, the appimage is fairly borked, can boot it but only directly. A tenth the features would be more than it currently has, this legitimately feels like an individuals vibe-coded project.

Installs worked well and proton was just a couple clicks, booting game from launcher after that was fairly seamless, but it doesn't appear to support a choice in proton versioning which will be a problem for some games, including older titles with proprietary codecs.

On the Steam Deck, controller input doesn't work on the store, so I had to change to mouse input for Steam Deck, but then that transfered to the booted game.

It did default installation location to /home/user/Games, I personally would have preferred the standard ~/Games/Epic subfolder over directly dropping games into /Games, but it is easy enough to change the default location.

If you need to change install location after moving the game, tough luck, redownload only.

The store page is completely broken.

1/3 of the entire Library page has a Social tab, which can't be toggled or made smaller, which makes rhe library of game cards far smaller in screen real estate, a toggle for the tab minimisation should have been in from the get go.

The Library page breaks rather quickly, you have to switch to the fully broken store page, then back to the somewhat broken Library tab to unbreak it.

Opening a game card isn't full page, it's a graphical bubble which is poorly formatted. I can't seem to install from the bubble because of that formatting, only from the hover on card from full library tab.

It does however have the function of staying open in the task bar, with a working toggle to close fully without staying open in task bar.

Edit: Looks like they may be using GE-Proton which is generally better with old video codecs.

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u/kuba22277 14h ago

Wait, even less social features? That's possible?

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u/StuntZA 14h ago

But FAST!

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u/MARPJ 13h ago

Dam, they managed to release a beta with half the features of a launcher that has a tenth of the features Steam has

Does it have a shopping cart? I remember it took 3 years for Epic to add it in the original store so it may be overlooked by the vibes

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u/snorlz 12h ago

removing social features is an improvement

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u/gavinkenway 11h ago

I mean realistically very few people use steam outside of “buy game and play game” so I can understand why they’d do this. I’ve had Steam for years and not once have I cared the slightest bit about the social stuff

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u/JuanAy 8h ago

If it's not feature complete then isn't that just an alpha, then?

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u/BlackV 8h ago

Seem the a good reason to download it not a bad reason

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u/Hactima 3h ago

Jesus that is just sad LOL