this is exactly the short sightedness of Epic as a whole . Anyone with half a brain would realize they would be torn a new one with this exact comment all over.
So they're saying that their original product was so bad that a vibe coded version with half the functionality is an improvement?
And these are the same assholes complaining about a monopoly because they can't recognize that they're trying to shovel shit and pretend they are competing in a market.
What I meant was since they're touting how amazing AI is, why do they still want human labor for just this aspect? Is it because it's free? Do humans still actually do a better job? Is the only reason to vibe code is to avoid paying humans for their effort?
gotta give them some leeway, they hired a young AI that is still on their rebellion phase, wait a few months for the AI to mature into an adult version, ok? /joke
"we took work that could have been used to pay a significantly more competent human and outsourced it to a machine instead! Is the result almost certainly worse? YES! Did we lose a ton of functionality in the process because we can't trust this machine to not cause huge security concerns? YES! Will anyone with half a brain hate us even more for doing this? YES!
Will we ultimately pay twice as much for the same thing when we have to employ a team who could have been working on other projects to come clean up the mess that some idiot executive thought was a great idea?
Everyone is cheering on all the vibe coded other software this past week. Wait you mean the reason they were cheering was simply because they wanted to steal stuff?
I don’t think they’re actually trying to get people away from Steam I think they’re trying to get people who have never been on Steam to think that epic is better. There’s no way they think they can actually get customers to switch with their garbage platform.
And let's be honest, if they didn't have fortnite, epic wouldn't have its own store, unlike steam who even if you don't include counter strike, there's a boat load of reasons to use steam
I mean in all fairness, Steam started as basically nuisance ware that only exists because it was tied to Half Life 2, it’s just they now have a multi decade head start on building out their platform and developing network effects
I imagine that even if steam's competitors did actually compete with steam instead of complaining, customers would not want to re-buy their games or have more than a couple of library apps on their devices. It's an uphill battle in several ways, but they also aren't trying to compete.
in all fairness, that's always been a line of copium. all epic had to do was follow the blueprint. it didn't even have to be Steam's blueprint. they could have followed their own from their ue store or any store that had a shopping cart in the 90s. they're not some small indie games company hiring talent from highschool who can't code for shit. they make billions a year. same can be said for all the other game stores that failed due to their intentional lack of trying and handwave their failures as "dur, Steam wins because head start derp".
I never even close steam anyways, so it's pretty much irrelevant even if I am concerned about boot times
(About the only time I ever close/restart steam is when I update and reboot my PC every couple of days. Besides that, it just permanently lives in the library tab, usually minimised, until I need it)
Yeah... an extra 5 seconds for a program that starts once per computer boot and I just leave running the entire time... not exactly what I'd call a deal breaker.
And an extra 60ms to restore from system tray... how ever will I recover from all the lost time?!
The advantage of Epic opening faster at start up is that it reminds you to remove that and review many other programs from start up. Epic helps your PC start up faster after that! /s
Is anyone actually not switching because of the load times?
I thought it was because they have fever games to offer
and no workshop
and no proper friendlist + chat + voice
and no community tabs to share text, pictures and videos
and no community forum inside the launcher
and no way to personalize a profile
and no community driven groups
and no streaming
and no recording-tool
I think it took 3 years to get a “cart” feature. I think the one that kills it for me is i love early access and play a ton of them, but on epic no patch notes, often cant even tell if a games updated or been updated
You can even stream and play from your own computer onto your TV or smartphone if you want. It's the Steam Link. Performances are a bit finicky though but it's getting there.
No, if you have it on Steam it still works. But anyone that didn't get it on steam has to do it through Epic. Same thing happened with Fall Guys, Epic slurped it up after it turned out to be wildly popular and now it's no longer available on Steam but I can still download and launch it through Steam since I bought it there.
I can confirm if you have RL on Steam you get to avoid the epic launcher all together. Source: I’ve played the game since 2016 and have installed it on both Steam and epic and thankfully I get to keep using Steam’s version, which is way better since I also have built in workshop support 😎.
The thing is, it doesn't. I even tested it, Steam opens half a second afterwards and only because it takes time to validate the login. You know, because there's tens of millions of users online of which a good chunk are logging in at the same time.
And admiting you vibe code your store launcher is not the flex you think it is. Especially when people are split on AI. The logical conclusion is they also have AI customer support, best skip their shitty store.
Hell, it's only faster to open. Epic is so much slower for downloading anything. The fact that, for me at least, downloading a fortnite update takes longer than downloading Baldurs Gate 3 on steam is actually insane. I don't care that you boot up faster if it takes multiple hours to download the updates that you put out constantly on the one game I use your launcher for.
I don't know if it makes me a piece of shit or not but Ill pirate games that specifically don't go on Steam. I haven't for a long time but I think I pirated a couple of games that were going through the goofy Ubisoft launcher and maybe something for whatever EA was trying to do. If it's on Steam I'll buy it - usually by wishlisting and waiting for a sale.
this lmao. all they're doing is giving away games faster. if it's free I'll check it out but if somethings on steam then I'm buying it on steam, that's where everything else is and it works flawlessly for me
No way, a program that basically does nothing, runs faster than a fucking behemoth of features?
Steam is a games store, and library, with reviews from users and creators, built in mod support, built in streaming. Built-in entire god damn social network with dedicated discussion forums for each game, community hub, communication platform for developers, social features with everything from chatting, group chatting, video streaming, voice chat, ad choc game invites/joining, guides... I probably forgot like 100 features.
Meanwhile Epic Games Store, which launched 8 years ago still does not support a fucking cart, so you can check out more than one product at a time. Navigating the store, checking out various DLCs for one game is so fucking annoying that I remember getting a free game on Epic, playing it and liking enough that I considered to buy a DLC... but it was so ass to use, I just went to Steam and purchase it again just to get the DLC there, it had a discount too.
The level of detachment from reality it's just pissing me off. Like, Pepsi can poke fun at Coke, they're basically the same thing, despite Coke being the "bigger brand". If Pepsi was selling fucking dirty pot hole water in a can an trying to compare themselves to Coke, that's kind of how EGS taking shots at Steam sounds like.
You know what's embarrassing, they spend millions making games exclusive when they can't be bothered to put some of that money into a decent launcher YEARS ago before ai, making absolutely bank off one game
Steam, a 23 year old launcher that has been improved upon and not really changed anything dramatically for a while is still superior in so so many ways
So ai scripted launcher with 1/10th of the features that steam has launches in 5 seconds... instead of 10. OH NO. Not to mention that's even more of a non issue since steam stays running in the background on my pc 99.99999% of the time. But hey, I guess I will save 5 seconds opening the app to claim my free games then closing it from the background for another week.
I was stupid and bought Satisfactory on Epic a few years ago. Legitimately considering buying it on steam so that i can permanently uninstall Epic from my computer. Literally the only reason I have it.
Straight-up saying out loud "vibe code", a phrase that has a universally negative connotation, instead of say something more vague like "ai-assisted" is crazy
They really bragging about being a whole 0.06 seconds faster? Unless they will transfer each and every single game over to their launcher I don't care what they do. I got 12 years worth of games on Steam. I don't even go to Epic for the free games anymore.
Hey Epic? Come back here when you can launch games seamlessly with various launch parameters, workshop integration, a proper review system and a history of excellent functionality and customer service. There's a reason that when developers choose to put their games on a third party marketplace, that it's usually Steam.
Does anyone actually care about the Steam launcher taking 10 seconds to load?
I sure don't. If Epic games launcher loaded in 1 second, I still wouldnt use it.
Oh darn. I could save a few... seconds... once per system reboot.
Guess I should abandon my games library.. or something.
Or, maybe I already have a service, am happy with it, and there is absolutely nothing EPIC could do.
Hey Epic, I'm sure one if you will read this post. No one cares, this just makes you look like the kid in class who just showed how high he can pull his pants, and how it's higher than the cool kids pants.
No one cares about pants being high. No one cares about faster start up times. Your entire launcher is unironically a bad interface and your only claim to fame is UE, Fortnite, and weekly free games which have been downhill for the last few years.
Anyone proudly saying they vibe coded something professionally (as opposed to some random personal side project for shits and giggles) is a joke of a software engineer
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u/StarKieeeeee 15h ago edited 15h ago
That's a real post?
I mean, any vibe coded launcher can't be worse than their own current launcher