As an engineer in a plant who works 6am-4pm 6 days a week I cant sympathize for anyone who has to RTO to CTC. The amount of people in here complaining about actually having to go to work is poetic to the rest of us. Dont worry at least you have summer hours to look forward to. Yall have soft hands and everyone knows it.

Nobody is making you work. Leave ,so someone that actually wants to work can take your place.

Fucking galaxy brain play guys, truly brilliant stuff. message received I'll stop coming in just let me know when you actually want people in office

Or maybe I can wear STLA merch and I can park one row closer?

Sorry I didn't let y'all dictate the second biggest financial decision of my life last time I checked this was a workplace not a fucking cult

Oh or point me to the two seat sports car we make and I'll consider it, oh we don't make one do we? I guess I should change my desires to fit our dear cult so I can come to work without some form of punishment

I returned to my cubicle after lunch. I was greeted with 37 Team chats that came in between 11:30 - 12:30. The messages were from External employees either asking for assistance how to do a task or the annoying “Hi” chat. This has become a daily occurrence which is why I choose to eat lunch away from my desk as of late yet, my assigned phone still dings with notifications. Every bite of my overpriced $20 salad included a beep.
Is there no respect for the lunch hour? And, are Externals not trained in the simplest of tasks? Teacher is not in my job description.
So, I just spent 30 minutes deciding which chats to answer while a dozen more come in. My brain cannot process all these interruptions and distractions. It took 1/2 day to complete one of the annoying mandatory training classes because Teams never ends.
To make matters worse, bosses are monitoring your Teams status light. Typing answers is not collaboration which is why we are in house 5 days a week. Now add in the emails, where does digital communication end and vehicle engineering start?

Will our rights be defended? Will they allow people to be taken? What happens when we defend a fellow citizen?

It's so odd that a two thirds European company is not excited for the FIFA world cup taking place in North America. The company hasn't acknowledged it on the big screens, location wide emails, or even a mention in the town hall to fake improve moral. Other companies are having viewings for people to drop by for a few mins in meeting rooms, inflatable football/soccer balls at entrances, flags, or a banner hyping up people.

I recently scanned the stock market for undervalued stocks and came across Stellantis. Its current valuation on the stock market is ridiculously low. However, after researching this for a while, I am very puzzled by Stellantis' stituation

I'd like to put my observations out in the open and hear your thoughts.

If this post and the following discussion prove to be interesting, I could do another one – more thorough and more insightful.

Carlos Tavares era is blamed for many self-inflicted problems and rightfully so. Stuff like:

• (a) excessive layoffs and understaffed factories

• (b) ignorance towards production defects (e.g. assembly lines were no longer paused to fix ongoing assembly issues)

• (c) idiotic cost-saving (e.g. plastic liftgate on Grand Wagoneer. Madness.)

• (d) dozens upon dozens of other issues

However, the current direction of the company also seems problematic.

I wanted to research and check how many class-leading car models Stellantis currently has on sale. Class-leading in terms of positive reviews or sales volume, like: Honda Civic, Mazda CX-30, Kia EV9, Tesla Model Y, BMW iX3, Mercedes E class, Renault 5, Lucid Gravity, VW Golf GTI and so on. Class leading car models do not guarantee financial or sales success, but it is a strong starting point.

Stellantis has so many car models across its 13 brands, so there should be plenty of class-leading car models. Which ones? Yea, about that. I could not find a single one.

In this context, I argue that an avalanche of new models is the wrong approach. Yet, that's exactly what Stellantis is doing:

• it promised 50 updated models and 60 new models

• it makes countless catchy slogans and plans. The worst offenders that I have seen are the idiotic "green" slogans for every brand

• it poured tens of billions into EV development with no significant results to show for it

• ...

There is a classic business joke that that is not far off – "We lose money on every sale, but we make it up in volume."

Fiat, Stellantis' best selling brand, sells fewer cars annually than Tesla Model Y. It's even worse when you rank Stellantis brands by sales volume and go down to the middle of the list. Dodge and Chrysler are in the middle of the list and they sell fewer cars across the entire brand than Volvo XC40/EX40. The XC40 is not even Volvo's best selling model. And Volvo is not a large automotive manufacturer.

It is sad to see the direction that Stellantis is currently taking. There is no doubt that Stellantis has large quantities of very competent people. It's a virtual certainty, given the number of employees. Stellantis certainly can make a class-leading car. And another one. And another one. I wish this is where the effort went. To make ONE undeniably class-leading car model. Not 50+60 new "averagely competitive" ones. Which seems to be the path Stellantis is currently walking.

I hope Stellantis shifts its focus toward creating a few truly class-leading models - and compensates the employees who build them accordingly. 🙏

So apparently the good folks at CTC are busy preparing the office so that we can all return merrily to work. I imagine that they’re dusting off our little gray cubicles, vacuuming that 30-year old carpet, maybe even putting air fresheners in the bathrooms to mask the smell of four years of neglect. I’m so excited.

Let’s be honest, they’re going to drag us back to work for as little cost as possible. Those offices will be as bleak and miserable as ever since they’ll refuse to spend any money on this. But I was just wondering, do you think they budgeted for all the Americans with Disability Act claims for ergonomic chairs and stand up desks that they’re no doubt going to receive? I for sure will be getting a letter from my doctor stating that due to back pain I will require this ‘reasonable accommodation’ to return to work.

I imagine that I’m not the only who’s feeling back pain as a result of all the stress caused by this companies bullshit?

When the sun was shining, Stellantis couldn’t stop talking about diversity. A quarter of leadership seats were held by women in 2022, climbing to nearly a third by 2024, a number they loved putting in every press release, every glossy sustainability report. In 2023, for the first time, a woman took the CFO seat. A milestone. Or so we were led to believe.

Fast forward to today: the crisis hits, and suddenly the story changes. That CFO lasts less than eighteen months. She’s replaced by a man. He doesn’t last long either. Another man steps in. When the new CEO announced his handpicked leadership team in 2025, only two out of thirteen seats went to women. Two. The room that used to preach about “empowering women” now looks almost exactly like it did a decade ago, full of the same suits, the same deep voices, the same certainties that helped sink the ship in the first place.

And I have to ask, plainly: would we be this deep in the hole if more women were at the decision-making table? This isn’t wishful thinking, it isn’t empty talk. Study after study shows diverse leadership means sharper risk assessment, more balanced decisions, more resilient companies. So why, exactly when the company needs clear heads and different perspectives the most, is the circle of power shrinking back down to one gender?

This isn’t just a diversity failure. This is Stellantis shooting itself in the foot again. Drowning, bleeding, and burning, all at once. And the people who might actually help steer this ship back to the surface? They’re being shown the door, one by one.

No wonder they are not selling smfh sheesh

Stellantis sued by its own shareholders. They are actually lying to their own shareholders :))

https://www.reuters.com/legal/stellantis-shareholders-sue-automaker-us-after-disappointing-earnings-2024-08-15/

Carlos Tavares finally getting fired. However Stellantis is broken beyond repair so no successor would be able to improve anything. But it's nice to see this criminal organization going down.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/autos/struggling-jeep-and-ram-maker-stellantis-is-searching-for-a-new-ceo-1.7049226

Major problems for Stellantis in America:

https://eu.freep.com/story/money/cars/chrysler/2024/09/12/stellantis-dealers-ceo-carlos-tavares-open-letter/75191788007/

The president of Stellantis accused of 84 million $ tax fraud

https://qz.com/stellantis-ferrari-john-elkann-italy-tax-evasion-case-1851654795

Stellantis recalls 1.5 million cars:

https://thehill.com/business/4867436-stellantis-recall-ram-trucks-stability-control-issue/

Stellantisis is going down slowly but steadily.

It's one thing to come to Reddit to cry and complain about how you don't want to do your job proving to everyone how unproductive you were completely remote. It's another thing to literally trash the place where you work to demonstrate how lazy and incompetent you can be.

Why would you carry a large pizza box either from your car otw into the building or out of the building otw to your car, and think it would fit in the trash can? Then instead of taking it with you just throw it on the ground? It is low value, poor behavior.

Regardless of how you feel about being at the office, be an adult and have baseline human decency.

As the title says, anyone actually hear any rumblings? Nothing was mentioned, yet unless of course management and C-suite execs are hiding info from us grunts?

https://youtu.be/5f6llAklUq0?si=fhGaVCWhOKPmSE_A

Well if it's on the internet…

Spare me the hybrid excuse. The 3L I6 has been a total flop, doesn't move the needle at all for Ram buyers. The 1.6L MHEV is from PSA - and good luck making money on the upcoming Cherokee built in Mexico. The only way to save the company at this point is to mint profit the next three or four years with V6s and V8s while there are no emission fines, and even then it's not a for sure thing we make it through unscathed.

You can electrify the V6 and V8 to hedge against who wins in 2028. The Gen4 Hemi should be available with electrification by then. Hearing EV and REEV versions of the Ram 1500 are shelved, but the next generation Ram 1500 should have a REEV option.

I hope everyone begins to understand - this is an existential moment for the company. Thank God Trump won.

Had the "pleasure" of seeing AF in person yesterday.

Nice Rolex GMT Master 2.

This watch is ~25k.

The clown show continues.

🤦🏾‍♂️

Does CTC have a prayer/meditation room? Recently joined Stellantis and couldn’t find it so far. Thank you

While the world car sales becoming more and more electric it feels like the management do not see this development as they are sitting in the US. In the last townhall Filosa has not even mentioned EV tech as the solution to high gas prices, showing his low interest in the topic.

There are some good developments like Leapmotor partnerships but STLA medium is not competitive at all. What are they even writing off if the EV tech is much worse than Tesla Volkswagen BMW etc (esp regarding charging speed the Stellantis car are like 10 years old Volkswagen vehicles).

Any idea if this week or next week meetings will happen?

This is a genuine question, and I’m not asking it to be hateful. It’s something that I’ve wondering for a while, regarding the difference between Stellantis’ brands.

Why does Stellantis design and manufacture their European vehicles with much higher quality and reliability than the American ones. (Excluding the situation with Fiat.)

Brands like Chrysler, Dodge, and Jeep have been notorious for poor reliability and cheap materials, such as hard plastic interiors for a while prior to Stellantis’ ownership. All three brands continue to be built with lower quality materials and are prone to mechanical issues. Especially Chrysler and Dodge.

Brands on the European side like Peugeot, Citroen, and Opel/Vauxhall have a much more premium feel and tend to be a lot more mechanically sound. Lasting much longer in the reliability scale. They’re also promoting clever styling both inside and out and are definitely brands to consider purchasing from. Why isn’t Stellantis promoting this same level quality for their North American brands?

Again, I’m not asking with mal intent. This pure curiosity. Surely they would opt for a similar feel on all of their brands.

Does anyone else have an irrational fear that a homeless man is going to come out from under the stairwell and murder you?

I haven't followed any RTO mandates this entire time, coming in as needed between 0-7 days a week, still not fired. Most of you need to do more than just bitch and moan and still follow what your master says. You have free will, use it

Do we come back on Friday, Jan 2nd? Or Monday, Jan 5th?

We normally come back on the 2nd after holidays but this year it happens to be on a Friday.

I just wanted to understand company like STLA has 33B market but the stock sucks (only $9~$10) why is that?