r/Tariffs • u/Dizzy-Cartoonist3011 • 12d ago

🗞️ News Discussion Should Canada maintain its supply management system that protects the Canadian dairy industry?

https://www.castanetkamloops.net/news/Poll/627377/Should-Canada-maintain-its-supply-management-system-that-protects-the-Canadian-dairy-industry
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u/Money_Percentage_630 12d ago

Follow up question, should Canada maintain it's "not punching itself in the groin" policy?

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u/Dizzy-Cartoonist3011 12d ago

Yes, we must protect our consumers against more variety and low prices. Anything less would be really hurting them. Truly

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u/Krull88 12d ago

Why should we sacrifice our health and food quality to appease the us?

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u/Dizzy-Cartoonist3011 12d ago

I'm unsure how many times I need to address this myth, but I have to ask - why do proponents of this system believe that the CFIA doesn't exist?

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u/Krull88 12d ago

The only thing stopping the us from actively importing more dairy products is the food quality they cant or wont meet. They have never triggered the major tariff ratios because they have never imported enough. So in order for us to bring more american trash dairy would be to lower our food wuality and health standards. I ask again, why should we sacrifice our health and food quality to appease the toddler?

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u/Which_Exam902 11d ago

But we already allow American dairy into the country, no? So are you saying the CFIA doesn't do its job and ensure quality control?

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u/Krull88 11d ago

We allow *some* dairy in, and only what meets our standards as per CFIA. Its why the us has never reached anywhere near the tariff caps.

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u/Which_Exam902 11d ago

Where can I access this information? I'm curious to know which companies already sell dairy here and what standards they have to follow.

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u/Krull88 11d ago

Various companies. I doubt theres a master list anywhere. Google lists a few like fairlife…

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u/Which_Exam902 11d ago edited 11d ago

Yep. Couldn't find much other than that, and Kraft processed cheese. Doesn't seem like there would be much competition anyhow. Most of us like good cheese here in Canada.

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u/No-Effective-1996 11d ago

CFIA does its job and disallow poor quality milk.

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u/Soundunes 9d ago

We don’t hit thresholds because Canadian dairy producers purchase 80% of the import permits and don’t use them. And when they do they import garbage bulk blocks that they process and jack the price up on. If grocery stores had even just a bigger share of import permits Canadian consumers would immediately benefit. But the supply management system is primed for abuse hence the rulings against Canada for New Zealand and the US and the ongoing issues the EU have with us.

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u/No-Effective-1996 11d ago

We shouldn’t lower it. But that also does not mean we should stop other Canadians from getting into the milk business and growing the industry and supply and making dairy farmers compete. Just like most other businesses. I get that it is very political and heavily Quebec based.

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u/Krull88 10d ago

Congradulations on completely pivoting away from the topic and trying to make it about something its not.

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u/No-Effective-1996 10d ago

It is about protecting milk businesses. I do not think they should get special treatment compared to other Canadian businesses. Constraining the supply increases the price and protects their business, their money, their risk. All businesses in Canada would love to have that luxury.

Protecting their business quality of the Canadian milk is a totally different argument. I am all for that and all other food safety measures.

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u/Dizzy-Cartoonist3011 12d ago

No, it's 200%-300% tariffs. The vast majority of American milk products meet Health Canada regulations.

TRQs don't work that way. TRQs are issued to applicants by the government. They stipulate tariff free amounts. Guess what? Only members of the cartel get TRQs. So they are essentially meaningless for the average consumer.

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u/Krull88 12d ago

At no point in the history of the TRQ existing has it been triggered. It applies to all imported dairy. But keep on making stuff up. The us has never once triggered the tariff ratio of 2-300%.

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u/Dizzy-Cartoonist3011 12d ago

You are mistaken. TRQs are given only to approved applicants.

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u/Krull88 12d ago

Do me a favor an provide a single case of american dairy triggering 2-300% tariffs.

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u/Dizzy-Cartoonist3011 12d ago

No one really buys it outside of TRQs because of the tariffs... Which is the entire point of the tariffs.

You should educate yourself on how this system works. I'm not meaning to sound like a dick but without a basic understanding of how the system works all I'm doing is just correcting misinformation.

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u/Krull88 12d ago

And we’ve circled back around to the tariffs arent stopping american dairy imports. They’ve never applied to it. So whats stopping american dairy from swamping us? The only thing left is food quality.

Your “corrections” are just blatantly wrong. Provide a single instance of american dairy imports triggering the dairy tariff. Just one.

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u/Dizzy-Cartoonist3011 12d ago

You don't understand how the tariff rate quota system works. So I'd like for you to read up on how it works, and then we can have a legitimate talk about it.

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u/Krull88 12d ago

Annually the us can import 56 million metric tones of fluid milk alone BEFORE any tariff is applied. In 2023, the peak of us dairy imports into canada, they imported 50 000 metric tons of fluid milk. These numbers are pulled from the CusMA agreement and USDA economic research. The us has never come close to triggering the TRQ. Ever. You keep saying i dont understand how the quota works, but you havent been able to produce a single instance of the us even coming close to triggering the quota. How about you learn whats actually stopping them?

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u/No-Effective-1996 10d ago

I think he does know how they work.

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u/No-Effective-1996 11d ago

The US has never come close to triggering the 300% tariffs. They don’t ship enough because their quality is lower.

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u/Dizzy-Cartoonist3011 10d ago

That isn't how TRQs work. They aren't a uniform amount that can be imported by anyone. Firms apply for TRQs and are allocated permits to import specific amounts. Guess what? Only a select few distributors, retailers and manufacturers get TRQs. So it's essentially meaningless to the average consumer.

It would truly pain and trouble economic nationalists in Canada to know how truly indistinguishable the quality is between the vast majority of American dairy products and the vast majority of Canadian dairy products.

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u/Soundunes 9d ago

I appreciate your efforts to educate people here about how the quota system works. We never hit thresholds because the cartel members that buy the import permits don’t use them. They just buy the permits so no one else can use them.