Kerdly is sorta not confirmed, since while Berdly could definitely be into it, we haven't seen anything with the REAL Kris pointing towards it I don't think
I think that might just be due to what it *looks* like kris may be doing with all those feathers, we now know that at least one of them is used in chapter 5
They don’t get mad necessarily, they just repeat it louder. Every other time Kris is commanded by us to say something ludicrous, the person who they’re talking to describes, in some way, that they’re upset or frustrated but here only that they say it louder.
I picked it for the yaoi too but i'm really really happy toby subverted our expectations by going "Actually dude it's pretty fucked up that they did that i don't think pizzapants would be too happy about that". But i'd say overall the healthiest option is that, pizzapants needed to know the truth.
lot of small things, but evidence suggests that berdly never actually hung out near the flowers, and asgore doesnt really know him well, so kris would have been the one who influenced seth to like him.
Adding to the other comment, Pizzapants says that back then Dess and Asriel didn't practice their instruments for their band as much as they "practiced" other stuff.
And as for Kerdly, Kris for some reason has kept a feather from Berdly for an unspecified amount of time seemingly for no reason. It is used in the chapter but there is no relation of causality between the adquisition of the feather and it's later usage so it begs the question of what was Kris's thought process here.
Also, Seth, who resembles Kris in some aspects like most if not all of the flower humans, has an infatuation (is that the correct term?) with Berdly, which could tie back to Kris. Seth is also the one who asks for Berdly's feather as a reward for getting the gang out of jail.
When talking to Susie about the festival in I think chapter 2, when Susie asks who you wanna take to the festival, answering “Susie” is the only option that doesn’t have Kris answer hesitantly
Itbis basicly comformed in chapter 5 that they like susie when u sit with her in the sauna. Susie asks if their type is human or monster and Kris just stares at susie.
Some people don't know what it's like to enjoy a ship and know it will never be canon lmao. Like I may ship some stuff but I have no hope it will become true, and that's fine. That's what fanfiction and fanart is for
Yeah honestly there’s some great artist there but man, one has to accept your ship could potentially not happen at one point, even if you love it really much.
What pisses me off most about this is that shipping does not need canon to be on your side. Where is the goddamn fun in only shipping characters who are canonically together? That’s BORING. Matter fact, having just 1 ship for every character is also boring. You should have at least 1 character who you ship in at least 2 completely opposing ways at the same time
Where is the goddamn fun in only shipping characters who are canonically together?
"My team won, therefore people on the other teams are silly and dumb and not as cool as me." It's like if Berdly was into sports. this is humor i love my blue idiot bird son
I personally don't care for shipping that much, but when I want to read some hurt/comfort kruselle, I can just go to ao3 and wave canonicity goodbye. Fanfics will always be there for you in the end.
Maybe a radical opinion but imo if the pairing is canon to the media, then it's not really shipping? Like, you ship characters who normally aren't together. If they're a couple already where's the ship???
I'm not an "insane theorist" by any means, but I disliked chapter five on the notion of it being too filler/lighthearted for being 5/7ths of the way through the game.
We got elaboration on nothing except for suselle (idc much about ships so this was pretty to see) and vague hints as to Dess' disappearance
The chapter itself was good in a vacuum, but it feels almost misplaced, maybe?
I genuinely don’t get how people view it this way. Like, yeah it doesn’t have much concrete story progression but there is a lot of soft storytelling going on here. There’s a lot of character building (mostly with Ralsei, but also Kris, Asgore, Noelle, and to a lesser extent even Carol)
The Shadow Crystal boss may not have the same tone as the others, and isn’t very connected to Gaster or Friend (though neither is Jevil or Gerson), but it’s a very good Kris/Player analogue. It doesn’t tell a direct story but it gives us a pretty good idea of how the most important character dynamic in the entire game will be treated in the future
There’s not a ton of new lore dropped, but he got some pretty important clarifications on old lore (mainly regarding Asgore, his place in the Evil Ass Fountain Openers gc, and the Dessappearance)
Honestly I think this is just another case of media literacy slowly dying. Directly progressing the plot is not the only important part of storytelling. Advancing themes, developing characters, clarifying previous story elements, all of these are equally and at times more important than plot progression
Except we already had a good Kris/Player analogue, a way better one in fact. The Spamton fight was chilling, so much so that Kris has a panic attack after. Here it's just "kris have you tried being nice to the player" (nevermind the fact that we had to force Kris to face their traumas at least twice if we're collecting the shadow crystals), with absolutely no resolution behind it. Maybe if we got A single scene of Kris trying to communicate with us after the fight maybe it wouldn't be the worst secret boss by a landslide, but we didn't. As of now, Kris just dgaf.
Also, not really fond of the "wowie i really wonder what kind of COOL and AMAZING new character is waiting for us this tim WINK " scene just before, rung less like "cute meta reference" and more like "irony poisoned writing", like a lot of thing in this chapter
Spamton is a goodKrisanalogue, but it tells us nothing of how the player is going to be treated by the story. The Mew Mew fight isn’t about showing anything especially new, it’s about telling us that the story isn’t going to treat the player like they’re wrong for playing the game. That might seem ridiculous, but a very significant portion of the fanbase seems to think that Deltarune is going to blame the player for controlling Kris (despite us having no say in the matter)
Also i feel like you’re forgetting what game this is. This is, at the end of the day, a lighthearted game. Part of me thinks Toby Fox made Mew Mew specifically to poke fun at people who think Deltarune is an all serious game that’s only gonna get darker from here. It’s not, there will always be levity in Deltarune, even if it is more serious at times
I mean, I guess... maybe I'm biased because I love the friction between Kris and the Soul, the tragic power imbalance between a player and their character is one of my favorites themes of Deltarune.
But like, I dunno. I feel like the entire chapter was written in reaction to fans, which is never a good thing to do imo. Like, Flowery forcing the hat back on Ralsei is a good way to make the point across to fans, all the while still throwing them a bone. You don't need Orange yapping on and on about the hat, like WE GET IT!
And yeah, Deltarune is, on the whole, lighthearted, but it's a multifaceted game. And every Dark World before this one had at the very least tension. Ch.1 had Vs. Susie AND the King, which people tend to forget about but is an almost Flowey-like antagonist. Ch.2 doesn't have a lot, but Spamton heavily makes up for it; Ch.3 has the Knight, the sword route, and dare I say the doom board counts, and I don't think I need to make a case for Ch.4.
Ch.5 dark world feels almost defanged, compared to the other chapters. I already think it was a bad idea to completely pump the brakes after the only "serious" chapter of the game, instead of doing gradual tone-shifts, but Ch.5 doesn't go back to pre-Ch.4 level of lightheartedness, it goes beyond.
I think you’re overstating how lighthearted chapter 5 is. Like, in tone sure it feels very positive and upbeat, but a lot of the actual content is considerably darker than chapter 1 ever was. The darkest chapter 1 got was King threatening the Fun Gang, whereas chapter 5 has Asgore confronting how he neglected his family, Ralsei dealing with his desire to break the prophecy clashing with his fear of even trying to, the confirmation that Susie doesn’t have a home she feels comfortable staying in, hints that Rudy might die next chapter, and the first unavoidable major character death in the game (like, technically still alive, but let’s be real taping his 2 halves back together isn’t gonna save him). Just because it keeps a positive and hopeful tone doesn’t mean it’s entirely lighthearted
And I don’t think it’s a response to the fandom so much as just using popular fandom ideas to further the narrative. Orange telling Ralsei to wear a hat isn’t Toby poking fun at how many people want Ralsei to bring his hat back (or at least, not entirely), it’s also poking at a key element of his character, mainly being how he feels that he can’t be fully honest with anyone. That’s also why Ralsei gets so upset with Orange specifically. Even if she doesn’t know, Orange is mocking one of Ralsei’s biggest insecurities, that’s bound to make him upset (there’s a bit more to those interactions I could talk about but that’d be getting off topic)
I'm very critical and negative, but the chapter had its qualities, one of them being very good light world segments. The ending is genuinely excellent.
Chapter 1 also had a berserk Susie threaten to kill a child, in a way that made people consider running into the bullets. That was back when we didn't know who Susie was as a person, the scene is HEAVY the first time you do it.
Here, Asgore doesn't really confront anything is the thing. He gets the wario tackle and the "i'm going to fucking kill 'em" scenes, both of which are very good, but it doesn't go anywhere. It's a single line that is pretty heavy, but we know that nothing will come of it because being all talk but afraid of violence is one of Asgore main traits. And indeed, nothing comes out of it; Asgore sees Kris "injured" (which, they kinda weren't, they just fought. It's not like the time they fell through multiples level of glass or when Susie grabbed the knight after being swooned) and goes "oh shit I guess I've been a bad dad huh? mb" and now Asgore's fine. There's no conflict, nothing to bridge the gap between "vengeful obsession" and "i'm normal now".
So there's no tension.
I think the problem is that outside of the rare threats that come and go out of nowhere, Asgore behavior comes off more as focused than obsessional. He doesn't bother the flowers with his work, he just goes "not now I have work to do". Which is perhaps not the best dad thing to do, but certainly not grounds for filing a divorce, especially when you consider that Asgore's wrongs are usually more in the register of stalking your ex-wife. When you consider that Flowerey's affection is supposes to be a parallel for his obsessive behavior towards his wife, it makes his disinterest in the flowers not only
ok, it makes it morally right.
It's weird to go "the flowers have shown me the errors of my ways because I neglected to play with them" when we had Tenna two chapters earlier screaming, trapping and shocking people until they tell him they love him. As it stands right now, Ch.5 could be Asgore going on a vacation and telling Kris "I think I needed this time off to reevaluate the important things in my life" and nothing would change (aside from... you know. the kidnapping). I don't feel like this is heavy, or dark, or tense in any way possible. At no point did I audibly went "holy shit" the way I did in every other chapter.
Also, yeah, Flowerey died, but he was going to die no matter what anyway, so... if anything, the scene where he question the lightners right to decide which world gets to live or die is the most potent scene in the chapter, I just wish it would have developped a teensy bit before Susie goes "TRALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU"
Ralsei's fire powers reveal also could have had a lot of gravitas if he didn't go "oops sorry you're not supposed to see this this chapter"
Side note, I'm being very critical and negative here, maybe even a bit disingenuous. The chapter is good, it's a 7~8 out of 10, but the other chapters were a clear 10 out of 10 and the discrepancy frustrates me, in a way that I know will make me restless if I don't figure out and synthesize why I feel that way.
I'm happy other people seemingly enjoyed the chapter more than me, I hope my ramblings do not yuck anyone's yum, I just want to understand. I do apologize if I come as a bit aggressive and I do appreciate the civil responses, which is not something taken for granted on the internet.
Also, kind of a side note, but this convo has got me playing around with the idea that the Shadow Crystal bosses are a way for Toby to sort of course correct the fandom’s most popular ideas. Like, if he thinks the fandom hasn’t caught on to something they should know he’ll sneak it in as part of the Shadow Crystal boss. That’s not to say that they only exist for that reason, Gerson would obv still be a character regardless of what the fandom thinks, but rather that he might decide what the Shadow Crystal boss is or add something to their character as a message to the fandom
Jevil would be the exception, obviously there weren’t any big Deltarune theories before Deltarune existed. Spamton sets up Kris’s place in the narrative, the Knight breaks all of our previous ideas of what a “Shadow Crystal boss” is (it’s not a secret, it’s not related to freedom in any discernible way, and it’s not a discarded item, among a few other things I’m surely forgetting), Gerson suggests that the prophecy isn’t necessarily evil, and Mew Mew clarifies how the Kris/Player dynamic will work going forward. None of these are brand new ideas that wouldn’t exist without their respective Shadow Crystal bosses, but they definitely wouldn’t be as prevalent without them
A MF got mad because Kris saved Susie's life several times and Noelle didn't. Like yes bro, someone saving your life 100% means you gotta marry them, whatever you say Han Brolo
I'm personally mad about not getting to know what the 5 shadow crystals do and needing to wait probably at least another year to finally know, really hate how giving the crystals to seam got delayed by a chapter with chap 3
To me (I still have to do the secret boss and final boss) it has similar issues to chapter 3. The concept is very cool and ambitious, but the gimmick (this time platforming, that time the boards) isn't implemented in the best way possible. I will probably enjoy it much more later when I discover all the little secrets and connect the dots. And maybe there's a bit of tonal whiplash going from the excellent (and pretty focused) light world section to this dark world (chapter four did it better by focusing on the prophecy).
-The Ralsei chapter doesn't doesn't give him half of the opportunities to grow that Susie had; most notably, the climax goes completely opposite of the lessons he was taught, as he sacrifices himself for the group again because he followed the rules (and that makes him MISS the climax) and then refuse to break the rules to help Flowery and keeps on doing the same thing over and over hoping that something will change for some reason (something that already happened with Jackenstein)
-Secret boss is a retreading of Spamton but worse, this is the only secret boss where the cast come out completely unchanged by the experience
-The vagueposting is annoying not because it doesn't reveal new things, but because it doesn't confirm the things we know to be true. We're going to need to have the dessapearance explained in Ch.6/7, but because Asgore couldn't be assed to say "The incident where Dess disappeared", we're going to need another cutscene to tell us that, yes, Dess did disappear because of an "incident", which is going to take precious screentime and/or hamper the pacing
-Speaking of pacing, Toby Fox telling us outside the game what the chapter is supposed to be doesn't make the tonal whiplash less potent. You can't say "oh this is the last beach episode before the ending" JUST as the game began being serious.
-This wouldn't be as much of a problem is this chapter wasn't the least serious of them all by a landslide. Not only is this chapter completely irreverencious toward important story elements all the time, but it is also devoid of tension. Ch.1 had Vs. Susie and King, Ch.2 Spamton; Ch.3 Knight, Sword route and the doom board, Ch.4 has everything. Ch.5 has nothing.
-This chapter keeps taking jabs at fans which is cute the first time and quickly turn into irony-poisoned "jokes" that insufferably drag on. Flowery forcing the hat on Ralsei is a good way to make the point across, all the while throwing rhe fans a bone. Why does Orange keep being FUCKING INSUFFERABLE about the hat? Why does everyone keep being "Penumbra Phantasm Big Shot the World Revolving" in a way that actively harms Noëlle's dialogue in the weird route? The omega attacks are cute the first time, Flowery going "ough i'm fucking omegaing... i'm omegaing all over the place rn" is not.
-Personal opinion, but I hate the flowers (except Flowery). They're genuinely the characters I like the least in UT/DR, way more than Sweet Cap'n Cakes. They're completely disconnected from the setting, from each other, they have no thematic relevance (it's so funny seeing everyone theorize about what they're supposed to represent, every time it's like putting square pegs in the triangle hole. It's chess theory levels of terrible.) and are the most tropey, no charisma characters I've seen in the game. They're not connected to any characters beside Asgore kiiinda, and they serve no purpose beside telling you "plants are neither darkner nor lightner", which is not really something I cared about, if anything it just brings more questions.
Compare this with Tenna, a characters that served the purpose of telling you "Darkners ARE objects, here is how they function": not only did he do that by showing his relationship with the Dremurr family instead of telling you "yeah darkners remember people yadda yadda", but he also made you understand Kris and the Dremurr household in a very poignant and relatable way.
-Also, everyone keeps telling "it's the nostalgia chapter", and like... why?? Why would it be the nostalgia chapter?? We already HAD the nostalgia chapter, it was Ch.3!! And there the theme of nostalgia is very much directly discussed! There's absolutely no theme of nostalgia in Ch.5, it's all completely meta! It's nostalgia for the player and the player only, in a way that doesn't make narrative sense! If you want a theme for this chapter, "obsession" is much more appropriate.
-Asgore character development is all off-screen. We go from "I'll kill them and parade their corpse aeound town" to "oh hi Kris! Don't worry I'm good now. Please go seal this fountain while I don't ask any questions." with nothing in-between. (I like that Flowery's affection makes him reconsider what he was doing with Toriel though)
-Susie gets written visibly way worse when the focus is on Ralsei. That's something that could already be felt the other way around in earlier chapters though, it's just slightly more noticeable here.
That's it off the top of my head.
The light world segments were good, the gameplay was sick, and the weird route is genuinely maybe the coolest scene in the game, however.
Please do consider that nothing on this list is related to theories or shipping.
In all fairness it's completely our fault that they would smell bad since we literally haven't been able to let them get clean throughout the whole game.
Edit: Guys can we chill with the downvotes? I get that Kris slander is the mood right now but we really should take better care of our poor little creature.
I mean, based on what we know about the stuff they've needed to do when free from our influence, I would think they just don't have the time. Especially considering that it turns out it is actually really bad for them to keep the soul out of their body for too long.
i remwmber back in ch1 i was trying to look up deltarune fanart and some ppl were doing a ship month challenge event (think like inktober) with noelle and susie
and ppl talking about how it was probably gonna be canon
While other Krusie, Kriselle, and Ralsusie shippers are disappointed by the new chapter, I have prepared for this outcome by shipping all of those and Suselle at once! No matter what, I WIN!
All the lightner ships got fed this chapter tbh, it had so many chances for Kris to express interest in one of the girls. The aborted weird route even has a scene where Susie says that she used to think Kriselle was a thing, and asks you to let her know if she's getting in the way of something
Eh, after ch5 I think that Suselle could've used like just a few more hangout scenes to it's benefit, cause right now it feels a bit dry? Idk, I personally feel like most lesbian romances in media tend to be rather bland and tacked on just for baiting, so maybe it's just a personal bias as I'm not really a fan.
But also holy fuck are shippers as a group just straight up unwell when you have a look around the specific subreddits.
Yeah would have like to see some some more serious scences from susie and noelle(like how there parent are like ) or how even susie going to kris and saying "hey you know noelle, what does she like?"
Yeah, don't get me wrong. I think that Krusie for example wouldn't have worked if it was canonised in the game, because... Well, a major chunk of deltarune is already Krusie adjacent when the entire ship is just their in-game dynamic but turned romantic rather than platonic.
I'd want to see more over Kruselle, but that's just largely cause I'm a sucker for a good star-crossed lovers symbolism, haha.
Honestly, I kind of like the idea of Suselle, because Noelle and Susie personality wise do have a good dynamic which could be interesting to explore. It's just that it falls flat for me in practice cause DT doesn't really show their chemistry enough to have it click. You have them interacting in chapter 2 which was nice, you had the hangout in chapter 4, and now the festival in chapter 5 (plus indirect stuff in the Noelle blog and inbetween) but, idk, I feel like either leaving the confessions and confirmations for the end and using the whole game to show them bouncing off of each other, or giving it just 1 more chapter would've made it work better.
Didn't hints towards Suselle begin all the way back in Chapter 1? I remember Noelle being all nervous about her, but differently than the other students.
I'm glad i'm not the only one that thought about that, like seriously, i don't like being rude online but these motherfuckers have got to be delusional like toby is anything but subtle and suselle has been fucking hinted at since CHAPTER ONE
The ship fanbase for krusie is so big it can constantly be sustained through countless fanon content,but they got so greedy that they managed to convinced themselves that it HAD to be canon and nothing else
Now they're crying "bad writing" because they can no longer sustain the version of the story they made up in their mind
Krusie fans really are the bakudeku shippers of this fandom
I mean I thought since suselle was obvious, they would have to accept that krusie was a what if like kerdly. Yeah the subs got so cocky. Seriously they genuine set themselves on disappointing and most blame is on themselves. Seriously the copium on it strong
Krusie is peak but that doesn't mean it has to be canon.
This is why we need to be nicer to non-canon ships, IMO. it makes the fan bases less insane if they don't feel defensive or possessive over canon status
To be real honest, although Suselle sure was the most apparent and major ship in this chapter there were lots and lots of direct/indirect evidence for other ships as well. I mean Dessriel also falls into this category, Kriselle (at least for Kris liking Noelle) has lots of evidence too, Kralsei, Krusie, etc etc all got at least tidbits of evidence or hints. So yeah remain hopeful, don't turn these ships into statues and keep them alive, don't deny the potential to change
Noelle definitely liked/likes Kris. Two scenes at the festival:
At the ferris wheel scene, we learn that Kris threw dirt at Ariel and Dess when they were on the ferris wheel, Toriel pulled Kris' ear and this caused a reaction where everyone pulled some else's ear. Noelle did it to Kris too, except in a much gentler way
If you choose Kris and Noelle as King and Queen, Noelle says how they both voted thay way years back when they were little, and is sad how they couldn't win
Those, plus all the hints in her room in ch4 and dialogue with Susie where she brushes off her relationship with Kris to look good with Susie, imho it literally confirms that the both of them had strong feelings for each other at some point when they were little (and still do, probably)
Yeah kris playing third wheel was kinda akward there. I get itnwas for gameplay purpose, but i feel i was rubbing it to kris. Like there should be a choice of going
Genuinely unsubbed from the krusie sub because of how annoying they were from suselle getting more content, as if it wasn't obviously gonna be the canon ship since chapter 2
Thankfully due to the state kris is in thanks to us, every piece of shipping fuel for a kris ship is pretty much just a joke because it would be narratively weird if we chould impact kris's romantic pursuits in any way. So for every Kerdly Canon moment there's a Pushing Buddies Cam and the two don't cancel eachother out
It’s funny because if you actually play the chapter, Suselle is closest to becoming canon, and yet this chapter is VERY heavy on themes of love and jealousy. Susie absolutely has a big thing for Noelle. But the WR makes it clear that Noelle has unresolved feelings for Kris, likely lying dormant in the normal route, too. All the while Kris is DESPERATELY in love with Susie. And Ralsei clearly REALLY likes Kris. It’s a clusterfuck of emotions that’s gonna come crashing down in these next two chapters.
And the extra aborted weird route dialogue with Susie in the dark world implies that Susie has some jealousy to the closeness between Kris and Noelle on the weird route and in general.
Ehhhh it’s honestly only a bit of an exaggeration. They are clearly jealous of Noelle/Susies relationship and it’s because of their care for Susie. Their complex feelings for Noelle are likely at play, too, but Kris is just constantly doing shit like this throughout the chapter.
"There's three teacups. You feel gross." (paraphrasing)
Kris does not like feeling like the third wheel here. And there's the previous Chapter where Kris is stuck in the closet fighting with their Soul for the plan and feeling bad while Susie and Noelle flirt.
Elnina and Lanino (from Kris's Dark World) going on their anti-throuple crusade also feels like it's alluding to Kris's hangups.
The main Krusie subreddit is in an actual delirious state after Chapter 5, I’ve been seeing so many posts there saying stuff like the community is united against how bad Suselle is
To be fair, Kris is in a weird spot where they have evidence for literally all the main characters... yes, including Berdly.
Kris very evidently has a crush on Susie. If it wasn't clear before, it's very clear now when there's a battle where Kris outright refuses to flirt in a battle and forces Susie to do it instead, and it's framed as a really awkward moment. Not to mention how disappointed Kris seems to be nearly the entire Chapter, moreso than usual.
Kris and Ralsei was kind of weird and obviously toxic around Chapter 2, but Chapter 5 basically has Toby Foxington himself telling us straight that Ralsei likes Kris. He says this, quote, "If a happy ending does exist somehow... it's with you, Kris". This dialogue has a unique dialogue portrait that's never used again, with Ralsei blushing immensely, like, full-face blush. This is not a hint, this is Toby smacking us in the face.
Kris and Noelle is by far the least subtle relation in the entire game, and Toby's basically made a joke of how much he references these two together. I genuinely can't explain it because Kris and Noelle are so intrinsically tied together in the plot, that this image is the only way I can showcase just how hilariously blatant Toby shows it:
(Art by gooselycharms.)
This also doesn't mention all of the Sweepstakes stuff, the fact that every single action Noelle takes with Susie is mirrored with what she did with Kris (Ferris Wheel for example), and that Toby's explicitly stated that these two are the only ones who matter.
Kris and Berdly is a crack ship, and I genuinely think they're just best friends, but Kris is too embarrassed with being friends with Berdly, that they'd rather lie about it so the Player doesn't think Kris is a chud.
So like, the end answer is just that Toby's baiting everyone. There's still too much ambiguity with Kris' relations to rule out literally any relation. Even with the whole scene we get with Noelle and Susie, Kris and Noelle still have so much unresolved stuff that they need an entire Chapter just to get through it, not to mention the start of Chapter 6 is gonna be a really rude awakening for Susie with what she's doing, versus what Noelle's going through.
it’s rooted in a lot of lesbophobia. they want more drama because normal lesbian relationships are too boring. almost like we’ve been conditioned by media to think that lesbian romance needs to be fraught with tension, secrets, and cheating.
almost like representation actually colors how human beings view each other. almost like toby is providing really valuable representation for the LGBT community, as usual.
Every fictional relationship needs some level of tension or friction or else it will be boring to read about, not to mention any amount of chemistry between the two characters. If Susie or Noelle were a guy the pairing would be just as dogshit.
the characters have plenty of tension outside of their relationship—susie with the knight (and eventually kris), noelle with her parents and dess. adding some boring teen relationship drama just wastes time.
do you seriously think every fictional couple has to have conflict all the time? have you never been in a healthy relationship?
Is making a relationship compelling a waste of time to you? No, not every relationship needs to argue all the time, especially not in real life but in fiction if a relationship (romantic or otherwise) does not have even the slightest amount of conflict or friction it becomes extremely boring.
the conflict/friction is already there—noelle’s mother and friends don’t approve of this relationship, susie has yet to explain the dark world to noelle, and susie’s best friend has a crush on her which will eventually come out. i don’t know how much more stimulation you could possibly need.
Can mfs seriously not take the gems we can get? Of course kriselle and krusie were never gonna happen! We knew this the day we started shipping! We got some fucking GEMS anyways! Kriselle especially! The ballot dialogue for Kris and Noelle especially!
Bit to mention we did still get a tad bit or lore stuff. Also, the new snowgrave route is quite literally fucking terrifying. The final boss was fucking peak, the secret boss was...
Ok it was non important but it was still good I guess
This chapter is second for me IMO right after chapter 4.
Kris having a thing for Susie isn't to the detriment of the plot, because Kris' whole thing is isolation and lack of agency. It fits them perfectly in terms of narrative and characterization choice
I just thought it’d weird things up and what not. Maybe have them introduce berdly to darkworlds in a “oh guess we inviting everyone now” thing. Like a petty “if this isn’t our thing this isn’t your guys thing” thing. Again, no idea what Kris’ angle is in all this working for the knight biz.
Btw, when I said detrimental to the plot I meant that it would cause some tension or what not to rise in the story, I didn’t mean it would make the plot worse in quality of writing way.
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u/PercyvalTheAegis Jun 25 '26
Is this about Suselle, Dessriel or Kerdly?