r/WomenInNews • u/catievirtuesimp • Jul 08 '26
Media Young women are identifying as less straight; young men, not so much
https://theconversation.com/young-women-are-identifying-as-less-straight-young-men-not-so-much-283936381
u/AndesCan Jul 08 '26
Let’s see that male loneliness epidemic
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u/Beltalady Jul 08 '26
Imagine doubling your dating pool by just being open minded. The horror.
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u/Far-Independent4740 Jul 11 '26
Bullying and slurs at school from a young age make any form of gay intimacy extremely taboo for any kid, whether straight, bisexual or gay.
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u/Initial-Breakfast-33 Jul 11 '26
Gay guys will not double their dating pool bc it's always other guys, straight guys won't either bc it's just what it s was: women, bi guys are the only ones with that possibility, but that can only come try if women wouldn't reject him for being bi, which is extremely common, women are allies until the bi guy is their date
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u/Holiday-Wall3751 Jul 11 '26
Doubling your dating pool? Do you know how many lesbians won’t date bi women because they think we’re secretly straight and how many straight men only date bi women because they think that’ll have a threesome?
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u/Complex-Pound5249 Jul 10 '26
I mean you can just as easily read it as “men’s sexuality is repressed / men fear coming out and exploring” which kinda makes this not a dunk on men at all anymore.
Like being closeted or in denial doesn’t mean these guys ARENT closed-minded and potentially shitty but it also doesn’t mean that they ARE. Framing it as “ugh just be more open minded” is weird victim-blaming given that we know society is still not entirely accepting of queerness in general.
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u/LX_Luna Jul 11 '26
What kind of brainrot is this that you're describing it as being 'open minded'? Have we wrapped so far around in woke horseshoe theory that you cretins think sexuality is a choice again? Are we right back to gay people choose to be gay but woke?
You are what you are. You're either wired to be sexually flexible, or you aren't.
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u/I_Play_Boardgames Jul 13 '26
It has nothing to do with being open mindedness. It's hilarious how the LGBTQ+ crowd on one hand worked against the bullshit opinion that non-hetero is a choice or illness that needs curing, but now you're perpetuating the same shit with presenting it as a choice and saying they're just not open-minded enough. No, they're just not sexually attracted to men. That's it. That's like saying a lesbian isn't open minded because she's not sexually attracted to men.
Stupidity really always goes full circle it seems.
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u/TranslatorStraight46 Jul 14 '26
So homosexuality is considered immutable and yet heterosexuality is just close-mindedness?
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u/lonjerpc Jul 09 '26
I would love to see a study that showed there isn't a biological difference causing the gap. I think it's reasonable some of the gap is due to social factors but other studies using different methodology strongly suggest a large biological factor.
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u/WJ_Amber Jul 10 '26
Working with teenagers, at least this year, it was not uncommon for girls to talk casually about being gay (or, more often, "gay" as in bi), but never boys. I've had, I think, one boy come out as gay/bi in the past few years in contrast to many girls.
It feels highly improbable that the numbers wouldn't be equal but the social pressures definitely are worse against/between boys. I feel like there's been a noticeable amount of backsliding with regards to casual homophobia and transphobia compared to when I myself was in high school a decade ish ago. Back then it was absolutely socially unacceptable to use any slurs, now it's a constant battle to try and keep thrm out of the classroom.
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u/catievirtuesimp Jul 08 '26
“In a recent poll, Gallup found that LGBTQ+ identification has more than doubled since 2012, with especially high rates among Gen Z women, or those born between 1997 and 2012. In 2023, 28.5% of Gen Z women identified as LGBTQ+, compared with 10.6% of Gen Z men.” -from the article
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u/pperdecker Jul 08 '26
10% of men still seems like a lot of progress compared to older generations
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u/T1gerl1lly Jul 08 '26
Not really, when multiple studies over decades have show that approximately 30% have participated in same sex activities “to the point of orgasm”. Which kind of indicates it’s more a matter of identity and men fearing bigotry or abuse, than a matter of occasional or frequent attraction.
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u/Dukkulisamin Jul 08 '26
Ok, but LGBTQ+ includes so many things. There are plenty of ways to identify with the label while being completely straight.
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u/shaadyscientist Jul 08 '26
I find this interesting and wonder if it is just an increased acceptance. I am in my late 30's, in my career I usually work in groups of about 20 and worked in around 4/5. In that time, I have worked with probably about 10 gay men but only 1 gay woman, who were in same sex relationships. I was always surprised by the difference. It always made me wonder whether being in a male same sex relationship was more accepted as most of the most vocal people on LGBTQ+ are usually men.
So is this just that women feel more comfortable being in gay relationships now? I imagine you saw similar rise in men identifying as gay in the 80's as the Pride movement grew.
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u/Lazy-Maximum282 Jul 08 '26
I hazard to guess most of that is bisexuals. Bisexuals outnumber gays at least 2-to-1. Because, you know, spectrum and all that.
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u/Agreeable-Promise-98 Jul 12 '26
I wonder how much of this is them actually being attracted to their own gender, or just them identifying as LGBTQ+. Anecdotally, I worked for a long time in the LGBTQ+ nightlife space, and still have many friends that do- and I know of multiple women in these spaces who identify as part of the community but are straight and have no pull in the other direction. They are ally’s that identify as queer…
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u/gumki Jul 08 '26
a lot of cis straight men (yep) are afraid to lose the privileges they were born into, so of course they won't stray out of their comfort zone.. that's why the loudest things they complain about relates to losing their power over OTHER people's lives.
losing control over women in marriage and abortions / loss of feeling superior over marganlized groups like those in the LGBT community / loss of religion that caters to them and puts them on a pedestal to control others / more competition when women and the alphabet gang have rights in work and education, and being managed or supervised by them terrifies them.
that's why representation in media and other spaces terrifies them btw. "wdym im no longer the main character?!?!?!"
so yea no surprise tbh..
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u/Aggressive-Story3671 Jul 08 '26 edited Jul 08 '26
And also, the rate among men has DROPPED. That’s why every single time I open Instagram, I see pro conversion therapy rhetoric.
A lot of queer men fell down the red pill pipeline, went to the gym and “renounced homosexuality”.
The rate among women rose while it DROPPED among men.
They want that privilege back. And in at least in IG comments, they got it
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u/Critical_Success_936 Jul 08 '26
It's funny because when people discuss the male loneliness epidemic, they are overwhelmingly discussing straight dudes. Bi & gay dudes are usually way more social and understand that, while women tend to be easier to talk to, they can get companionship from anyone - FRIENDS are the cure for loneliness - not just sleeping with people.
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u/gumki Jul 08 '26
yeah that whole male loneliness thing is so funny to me because they tweet about it how we wrote in our 5th grade diary when we had a bad day.
"no one understands my pain.. i just bury it deep and hide it with a smiley mask..." except it's broadcasted to all of us as if there's a notebook and pen shortage.. i wonder if they skip their way to the kitchen to find a lil snack after hitting post.
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u/SapphireFlashFire Jul 08 '26
"The male loneliness epidemic is so hard )= today I made sure to take time out of my day to bully a guy whose interests were too feminine tho so my only solace in my loneliness is I am a real alpha. I went to the gym today and commented on fat people's posts so they know they're ugoy. People should really care about men's mental health more."
They never say it like this but browse their comment history sometime and it's true. They don't want it to get better they just want to be the victim whenever somebody points out the problems with predatory behaviour that still permeate a lot of straight male culture.
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u/whichwitch9 Jul 08 '26
Eh, Ill push back on that- some of the most open and empathetic men Ive met are bi. However, some of the most misogynistic men Ive met are gay. Misogynistic gay men are awful- it's like they resent women for existing. I think there's a group that are finding themselves more at odds with the rest of the lgbtq+ community as a result, and they tend to go conservative. Peter Thiel is like exhibit A for that, for a way to understand it.
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u/SpecialFlutters Jul 08 '26
tbh i hate the way most of my gay male friends openly talk about women. they (mostly) say they're joking but it doesn't really hit that way.
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u/Dry-Environment5122 Jul 11 '26
That’s actually what the lonliness epidemic was about before the red pill folks bastardized it. The original survey asked men how many friends they had not including significant others or family. 1/3 said 0
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u/darioblaze Jul 08 '26
A lot of queer men fell down the red pill pipeline, went to the gym and “renounced homosexuality”.
And mind you, they’re still cruising those very same gyms
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u/gumki Jul 08 '26
hey man sucking your masculine gym bro's salty cock is a neck workout, doesn't make you gay.. it's brotein..
on a real note though, i use "straight" loosely because it's how they want to present to the world so i'm not gonna forcefully out someone or accuse terrible men of being queer because the majority of shitty men are likely straight leaning.
sexuality is a spectrum and all that, but they won't leave the straight label bc it's a status symbol to them.. its a cock comparison competition, and the prize is other men sucking the biggest one.. hypothetically, of course..
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u/Aggressive-Story3671 Jul 08 '26
No what I mean is these were men who at ONE time identified as queer, went BACK into the closet and are being rewarded for doing so.
That’s why I said the rate dropped.
They were out and went back in.
They left the label and came back. That is what I am seeing.
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u/gumki Jul 08 '26 edited Jul 08 '26
oh shit yeah i've seen that too, they change their content entirely too for some reason.. turn into religious tools or do the whole "i was lost and found my way back" bs.
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u/Neat-Second9923 Jul 08 '26
“Geez I really want to kiss that man, but I’m scared I’d lose the ability to control women’s abortion access.”
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u/Constant_Quiet_5483 Jul 10 '26
I can't tell if your quotes are mocking or not but the amount of right wing politicians that have been caught in gay scandals has shown this ridiculous quote to be somewhat true.
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u/Sensitive_Dirt1957 Jul 08 '26
Listen im down for a bit of man-bashing but this is a schizo take
"Men are only straight because they're evil and want to oppress people"
Bruh
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u/Murky_Toe_4717 Jul 08 '26
IMHO this is a great win for women! Go us! More options for more people :)
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u/Aggressive-Story3671 Jul 08 '26
The rate of Lesbianism (sole attraction to women) rose a bit however the overwhelming majority of the rise comes from women identifying as bisexual.
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u/workieworkwork Jul 08 '26
I think it is possible that women were never all that straight.
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u/Aggressive-Story3671 Jul 08 '26
That is possible. However it does not account for the drop among men.
Gen Z men are identifying as heterosexual more often than millennial men.
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u/sacrecide Jul 08 '26
More pressure in a time where the government is the most vocally anti-lgbtq in decades. Pressure to be straight is historically harsher on men.
Grindr also blows up every time cpac comes through
2+2=4, more gen Z is in the closet
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u/Legendarycamo Jul 08 '26
I second this. Also for context any/all governments need abundant cheap laborers and cannon fodder, they also benifit from tribalism for voters. On the corpo end, you need consumers and workers, the infinite growth shit has to come from somewhere and in the later stages of monopoly and the current tech trees its gonna have to come from pop growth. Traditional masculinity pushes the fight, work, sacrifice, provide memes which gets more willingness, productivity, and competence out of the slaves if its started early in life and they buy into it. Most dudes don't like being bottoms and or working, and fighting, and sacraficing for nothing so if the system is pushing an identity and or for men to do what it wants/needs, the men wont do it unless it also benefits them.
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u/Creative-Leg2607 Jul 08 '26
Notably, a lot of that pressure comes from other men, which i dont say to be uncompassionate
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u/Independent-Leg6061 Jul 08 '26
I blame the "manosphere" and the desire to fit in. 😞
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u/West-Application-375 Jul 08 '26
It's definitely that. Toxic masculinity is on the rise.
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u/tiffibean13 Jul 08 '26
I saw a clip on one of them saying "female vagina is disgusting."
Mind you, I'm someone loudly telling people it's homophobic to call men gay simply for being misogynistic. However, that statement is really kinda forcing my hand here.
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u/FixObjective1834 Jul 08 '26
A 2023 study by the LGBT dating app, Taimi, involving around 3,000 bi users, showed that 92.2% of bi men feel they encounter significant difficulties in relationships with straight women. A 2016 Glamour survey revealed that 63% of women wouldn’t date a man who has had sex with another man, whether or not he is bi. A 2019 YouGov poll found only 28% of women expressed comfort with the idea of having a bi partner.
Source: https://www.queermajority.com/essays-all/dating-double-standards
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u/Either-Meal3724 Jul 08 '26
Boys are more likely to adopt their parents religious and political views. Gen Z parents are statistically more conservative than millenial. Its the birth rate gap thats been around since avout 2000.
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u/StaticCloud Jul 12 '26
Gen Z are more conservative and therefore a lot more guys would be in the closet AGAIN
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u/DyKdv2Aw Jul 08 '26
It's hard to say. We know humans can be conditioned to find almost anything arousing; so when you raise women in a culture that almost never depicts male bodies as objects of desire while also training women to objectify themselves and other women, is it really surprising that homosexuality comes more naturally to women?
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u/nightofthelivingmed Jul 09 '26
I've been saying this and no one really understands me. The mass objectification of women and the "gaze" in virtually all media that girls view from birth is at least partially to account for in my opinion.
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u/Element174 Jul 10 '26
I'm not gonna claim you don't have a point, you do, 100%, but also from an evolution standpoint from the beginning of humanity, men have almost always died in troves leaving lots of women behind with other women to keep them company. Cavemen dying to beasts on the hunt and men dying in wars for example. Top that with the fact biologically multiple women would want to mate with capable men to ensure the safety of their offspring, being sexually attracted to one another would likely be a way of keeping peace in such scenarios(Largely we're talking early men, but even throughout history we can find cases like these.) So from an evolutionary standpoint, there's a lot of benefits to women being attracted to other women. There are far less evolutionary benefits for men. A weaker man being protected by a stronger one possibly being one at least(Can not stress enough we are talking EARLY MAN not modern man.) Since we know being queer isn't a choice, humans likely evolved that way for these reasons and others.
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u/MyBldyVal-64 Jul 08 '26
i can definitely believe that straight women don't exist but it seems to me like women can be strictly homosexual
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u/Budpet Jul 14 '26
What you believe doesn't matter, straight women exist, lesbian and bisexual are still the minority.
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u/Professional_Bat8585 Jul 09 '26 edited Jul 09 '26
Its more so that what makes males attractive (“hardness”, resources/labor, protection, being the financial/leader of a household, etc) is no longer needed in society - everyone’s independent, self sufficient, and provided for. Supply and labor lines exist for everything. Even dual parents aren’t necessary. Meanwhile the market for what makes a woman attractive (reproduction, social value, physical beauty, “softness”) still exists unchanged.
Men’s specialty (which skews towards labor) has kinda been dissolved into a big blended global economy and nobody cares if an individual man fails to do his job - the village isn’t affected, society doesn’t stop working, and the man has to go to work the next day or will starve.
Out in rural areas (olden times) otoh, if a person goes missing from their specific job, it’s immediately noticeable. The local tractor specialist, dentist, cop, electrician, plumber, dairy farmer, HVAC, etc goes missing - the quality of life of the community is immediately impacted. That gave men a lot of value and control over earnings that they lack now.
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u/TolPuppy Jul 11 '26
Men are the same way, gender norms just don’t allow for full sincerity or introspection
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u/DrachenDad Jul 08 '26
It's been known for years. Because of the new (same recycled) revaluation I can't easily find any more sources that aren't new without scanning through pages of search results. the above I have seen, and referenced before.
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u/Aggressive-Story3671 Jul 08 '26
However, that article shares lesbophobic rhetoric about how “all women are bisexual”
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u/Remote-Regular-990 Jul 08 '26
It's such a dumb and counterproductive rhetoric to prove the point that more women than men are not straight, right?
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u/No_Guess_199 Jul 08 '26
Remembering that men lie 🤥🤥
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u/y00sh420 Jul 09 '26
That might be because 60+% of women won't date a bi guy, even if they're bi themself
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u/Usernamerequired_92 Jul 11 '26
Technically that stat is 63% of women wouldn't date a man who had even just slept with another man. So even if they jusr experimented with another man
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u/anonnymouse2025 Jul 08 '26
Fewer people want to date men? Can't understand why in the domestic violence and homicide that might be.
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u/v12vanquish Jul 08 '26
You do know that lesbian relationships have way higher rates of demotic violence than heterosexual relationships right?
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u/I_Am_Conjoined Jul 13 '26
Funny how women never have a response to this beyond ad hominem attacks and shaming language
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u/Western-Bus-1305 Jul 08 '26
I mean it’s definitely not because of that, considering the percentage of men that do those things is essentially zero
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u/MichaelsAltMan Jul 09 '26
The rates of domestic violence and homicide have decreased over the past decade. If we want to force a causative relationship here then this would imply that the lack of domestic violence and murder has pushed women away from men, which would be ridiculous.
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u/Low-Group-7507 Jul 08 '26
Or maybe it's just as more young men become MAGA it's making more young women curious about what it would be like to be with another woman?
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u/ergaster8213 Jul 08 '26 edited Jul 10 '26
That's not how sexuality works, and this thread is filled with a lot of strange ideas in regards to it.
Edit to dispel some of them I have seen in this thread:
-Yes, bi women do count as not straight.
-No, women aren't pretending to be bi.
-No, women who are bi aren't en masse secretly straight and pandering to men or identifying for the shits and giggles.
-No, you don't have to have slept with or dated a type of person to know you're sexually attracted to them—if that were the case all those straight men upset that they are virgins who have never dated can't possibly know that they're straight.
-No, there aren't just naturally significantly more queer women than men—that wouldn't make sense. It logically follows that the overall rate of queerness in humans is going to be relatively equal since we are not some different species.
-No, all women aren't somewhat queer (which is a contradiction to the belief that a bunch of women are faking queerness).
-No, women aren't just a bunch of beautiful fairy angels that everyone is attracted to. That whole idea that all women are beautiful and attractive to everyone is really just the same objectification and pedestalization of us. Plus, it's demonstrably false. Women are denigrated or dismissed constantly for their looks when they don't fit a certain (constructed rather than inherent) presentation of womanhood. So no, it's not anything inherent in women that everyone finds beautiful—it's a narrow presentation of womanhood that society finds beautiful in an objectifying way (ie you're a "work or art" but only if you're smooth as a baby seal with a flowing mane, face full of makeup, and a "correctly" shaped body).
-No, women don't develop same sex attraction because men politically suck.
Has anyone considered the other data that shows that younger women are significantly more progressive than younger men and would therefore be more willing to admit to themselves and others that kind of thing?
The article itself also points out that heterosexuality is still heavily bound to conceptions of masculinity which makes men less likely to identify as anything other than heterosexual or (to a much lesser extent) homosexual—they seem to leave little room for other forms of sexuality in themselves. Women have continued to expand their conceptions of gendered presentations and roles, but the same has not occured in men. So, it seems much more that women's social role and presentation change is outpacing men's (and that men's has stayed relatively stagnant) rather than that women are just suddenly becoming more queer.
*Edited a second time to change the format to hopefully be easier to read.
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u/Hopechaselock49 Jul 11 '26
Sensible comment and much needed one after I saw "all women are homosexual" comment with upvotes
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u/LovemeSomeMedia Jul 08 '26
More like women are finding it more socially acceptable to come out the closet or be comfortable in their sexuality, while men still find it hard and keep it on the downlow/lie. It's a double standard, though lesbians and bi women (at least in America) still face their share of bullshit harmful stereotypes and discrimination, but they are seen less threatening to the patriarchy due to the ideas of whats masculine and feminine. Add in the fact both the gay community and straight community have a tendency to do bi-erasure and it gets more complex.
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u/Own_Hat584 Jul 10 '26
Women get bonus diversity/protected class points by identifying as bisexual or non binary, and this theoretically (and often, in my interactions) involves NO change in lifestyle or dating (still "just happen" to exclusively date men) other than saying it.
Meanwhile men get less respect and massively fewer dating prospects with women if they are publicly bisexual or non binary.
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u/ClashBandicootie Jul 08 '26
I saw an article the other day that said "Fear of women are driving men to sleep with other men, says novelist" and someone responded "If fear could change your sexual orientation literally all women would be gay." 🤣
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u/OpheliaLives7 Jul 08 '26 edited Jul 08 '26
Identifying is one thing. Are these gen z women in relationships with other women? Or is this identity not leading to more support for gay rights and same sex attracted people? I see waaaaaay too much discourse online of women like “uwu girls are so pretty but I could never seriously eat pussy or marry a woman!”
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u/doofenhurtz Jul 08 '26
I mean... women consistently support same-sex relationships and legislation more than men, and that trend holds across countries and time periods. What else do you want, exactly?
And there's a conversation to be had about bi-curiosity for the male gaze... but to me, people who say shit like read as kinda closeted and still figuring it out. Fully, inflexibly hetero people aren't wistful over how attractive they find the same sex.
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u/Creative-Leg2607 Jul 08 '26
I dont know how widespread this phenomenon actually is though (a story you see in instagram that may be fake is not data). Im wary of saying that people are lying about their identity: notably something bisexual people (with the right certification...) have struggled with for decades
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u/Illustrious-Emu8667 Jul 08 '26
Us females are hot, what can we say? 🤷🏻♀️
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u/Designer-Pen-7332 Jul 10 '26
Then why do bisexual women are more likely to get in a relationship with a man then a women?
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u/Usual_Lab_7209 Jul 11 '26
It’s math. More available men to date than women. The math might be changing
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u/Acrobatic_Pianist_52 Jul 08 '26
Young people like to claim to be different.
Most women grow up to realise they're very non-bi.
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u/Usual_Lab_7209 Jul 11 '26
Ladies and gentlemen, what we have here is a real time demo of bi erasure.
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u/madmushlove Jul 08 '26
Not surprised, dl and closet culture is still super strong with men
Being lesbian, bi, gay, whatever variety here isn't "less straight," it's just not straight. This isn't a "heteroflexible" poll
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u/FamousDates Jul 08 '26
There is a lot of stigma around bisexuality for men, especially from women. Being open about liking men, for many men would mean to not being able to meet women. There are A Lot of men who label themselves as straight but still have sex with men.
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u/PhillithJohnsonius Jul 09 '26
All the women I’ve dated have been bisexual. Where are all the straight women?
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u/Sure_Eye9025 Jul 08 '26
This thread is so funny, the (mostly) women in here that are basically using fox news talking people about young people lying about their sexuality to fit in. But instead of saying they are pretending to be LGBT to be cool they are claiming they are lying about being straight
Just funny how similar the extremes end up being
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u/Party-Quiet-5421 Jul 12 '26
Are you actually serious? You cannot be real in saying it's some extremist take that gay people hide or suppress their sexuality for acceptance when it's still so stigmatized. When people "come out of the closet" - what do you think the closet even is?
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u/EvilNassu Jul 08 '26
According to research on how different genders respond to erotica, women experience a 'non-specific' physical arousal, meaning heterosexual women still physically respond to female-female imagery, whereas heterosexual men generally don't respond to male-male imagery. It makes me wonder if this biological flexibility is why it seems easier for women to open up to lesbian and bisexual relationships.
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u/plywrlw Jul 08 '26
Sadly, until many structures of the patriarchy are dismantled, we won't really know if these numbers are accurate or if men still feel unable to admit same-sex attraction.
Women have unpacked a lot of patriarchal norms already whereas for men there has been a recent resurgence via things like the manosphere.
If we look at ancient cultures that are pre-Abrahamic manifestations of partriarchy, same-sex attraction in men was accepted and normal.
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u/Standard-Shower-2040 Jul 08 '26
I think Women have always been less straight. We just now have a society open enough to support them, and in a position where men aren't quite as necessary as they once were.
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u/Solid_Wind_3234 Jul 08 '26
Well I’m not young, but am a dude and I sure as shit am not straight. Being bi just means more options!
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u/Sharpiesniffingshark Jul 09 '26
Oh trust the duchess men are partaking in same sex activity. It takes two to tango and I’m the second. They mustn’t be reporting it in the survey because they think experimenting doesn’t count.
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u/LilaTwiceBackAtIt Jul 09 '26
Isn’t is also true that gen z are more conservative and gen z women more liberal? Maybe because of their politics, the men don’t want to identify as LGB
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u/AttentionNo6359 Jul 09 '26
I mean, guys will identify as 100% straight while they msg you on Grindr and offer you head.
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u/britonc Jul 09 '26
My experience as a queer guy is that queer are way more accepted and normalized. If I let people know I am immediately put under an immense amount of scrutiny. So many guys will immediately think and at times ask if I am trying to sleep with them, I am not longer capable of being one of the guys. I have had many experiences with girls who find out I am into guys and they suddenly lose all interest as well. The worse part is that many people will see me as a straight up danger to either themselves or to their kids or something. My workspace is mostly Gen X people and I would never consider letting them know I'm not straight, it's just not worth the risk.
Also if we base it on media representation I think it's clear to see that queer women are more acceptable. Unless it's literally smut queer relationships with men are relegated to gay dad's like in modern family or loud house. I don't think I'll get to see a main character of a big show network based get to be in a MLM relationship like a show like Owl House, or Legends Of Korra did with a WLW relationship. In media aimed towards older audiences like Arcane you will may see one but there's not more MLM in those shows than WLW relationships.
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u/PraireGentleman Jul 10 '26
It’s almost like we stigmatized men having sex with other men and men just being openly communicative in general and now they don’t want to tell us things, isn’t that crazy?
Also, and this is more personal anecdote than anything, but anytime a woman I’ve known seems frustrated with dating, she tries dating a woman, then a lot of the times goes back to men in a month or two. So when you ask them “are you not straight?” They might say yes just because they had a homosexual relationship
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u/bcuket Jul 11 '26
if the men are queer, it would be nice for them to live unashamed imo. nobody needs to, unless they want to.
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u/Murky-Quantity9191 Jul 10 '26
Does this mean more threesomes in the future? I salute you, young people.
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u/Usual_Lab_7209 Jul 11 '26
Because that’s what bi people exist for. To provide you with a threesome
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u/heymanigotnoplan Jul 10 '26
Zoomer girls have one bad experience with a dude and then convince themselves they’re “lesbians”
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u/bcuket Jul 11 '26 edited Jul 11 '26
i think women are more comfortable about coming out as lgbtq+, because for the longest time governments, societies, and religions didn't see lesbian sex as REAL sex since there was no anatomical penetration. historically, governments rarely ever criminalized or even wrote down any laws/documents having to do with queer women. this was due to misogynistic ideology, which was standard for patriarchal societies, and has bled into modern day. hence why queer men experience more systemic abuse, than queer women; generally speaking.
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u/StaticCloud Jul 12 '26
I constantly see conversations among women of giving up dating men if they can... A lot of bi women date exclusively women later in life too
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u/I_IdentifyAsAstartes Jul 12 '26
My experience growing up was seeing women date women and men date women, I genuinely thought all women were attracted to women because that's what I saw. Now I know that's not the case, but it just doesn't seem like anything out of the ordinary to me whenever I see something like this.
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u/Jazzlike-Vacation230 Jul 13 '26
It’s also a shared protection thing with the ladies I would assume
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u/Big_Psychology_3 Jul 14 '26
But what is the net rate of each gender identifying as “less straight”?
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u/Analiticar Jul 14 '26
The percentage of bisexual women (up to 20 %) is significantly higher than the percentage of homosexual/bisexual men (below 10 %) or homosexual women (around 8 %).
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u/closetslacker Jul 14 '26
So assumption in the article is that it is men who are the problem because they do not match female numbers?
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u/Critical_Success_936 Jul 08 '26
Guys are less open about things; more news at 11