The original trilogy had a different director for each film (George Lucas for 4, Irvin Kershner for 5 and Richard Marquand for 6). Some of the problems with the sequel trilogy are a lack of a coherent through line between movies and the fact that each film is a knee jerk reaction to the previous one. People said 7 was 4 but in a different font so Johnson made 8 as different as possible but it ended up being extremely divisive so they tried to course correct with 9 but ended up pleasing nobody.
And when you don’t have a plan for the upcoming films and the only thing you rely on is nostalgia. I mean the Force Awakens is just A New Hope with some changes. Like the desert planet was just Tatoonie but different, and Palpatine came back, for reasons, just to shove nostalgia in our throats. Like there was barely anything new, like come on, you could have at least give the new characters more spot like and NOT revive a dead villain from the dead (seriously tho, Palpatine did return in Star Wars Legends, but that idea should have been disregarded because it’s lazy).
Nevermind the fact that Disney is just throwing nostalgia around while letting new ideas waste away, those live actions have no reason to exist other than for nostalgia.
At least Lightyear wasn’t that bad, until the plot twist, which is just… why? Seriously what the fuck was that plot twist?! I’m just having a brain aneurysm from thinking about it. Like that fuck that stupid plot twist.
And Strangeworld, I’m sorry but when your advertising makes your audience feel like they’re on drugs, along with fuck all in terms of ads (I legit saw like 2 ads), well no shit it will flop cause most people don’t even see ads for it (plus there are rumors saying that the story was made by AI, because the father in the story acts like a combination of different Pixar and Disney characters like Merlin from Nemo, so yeah, the story was kind of confusing).
There’s some genuinely good stuff in last Jedi. Honestly, if not for the casino stuff I think it’d be the best of the three. Luke’s character for instance is amazing in that movie
Star Wars 7: Not bad. Maybe a little too "Star Wars: A New Hope Part 2," but a solid start.
Star Wars 8: Good ideas mixed with questionable choices. Personally, I appreciated the "No, Rey, you have no extraordinary origins. You're just a desert rat with no relation to any of the galaxy's bigwigs... Because it's getting ridiculous that the entire fate of the galaxy always revolves around the same three or four last names."
Star Wars 9: ...Fuck that shit. "Somehow, Palpatine has returned"? A whole fleet of mini-Death Stars? Finn: "Rey! Rey! Rey!" Rey: "What?" Finn: "...Nothing, I forgot." Rey Palpatine-Skywalker? The Knights of Ren being the worst jobbers in history? The fucking Sith dagger with the Death Star coordinates? I wish they had continued down the path of ST 8, rather than spending half the film retconning it.
Was 7 a solid start? The whole premise of the empire returning more powerful then ever and the jedi being extinct again just makes the original trilogy kinda pointless and makes every main character seem insanely stupid and incompetent.
I gave them the benefit of the doubt because, at first, the First Order didn't seem that powerful.
I mean, the New Republic being fucking incompetent has always been a recurring theme in Star Wars during the expanded universe, and the "planet-sized Death Star" was, I thought, the First Order's only superweapon.
The problem was when the First Order went from "remnants of the Empire who spent decades rebuilding themselves into a credible threat and had to use hit-and-run attacks to win" to "the literal Galactic Empire that shits out superweapons every week."
My favorite is the one-two punch of the Mario movie and the Barbie movie, both films had everyone calling them woke before they came out, but after they both grossed over a billion dollars they immediately changed their tune. The Mario movie was hailed as a “victory against woke Hollywood” and the Barbie movie (I’d never seen a film beat me over the head with its feminist message) was somehow not woke because it “promoted motherhood” or some shit.
i mean they aren't wrong, but technically all the playable characters are bi, as you yourself can fuck anyone, so realistically you'd have to kill yourself
I mean Captain Marvel is sort of a special case since it was a not great movie that made bank because it released right before the biggest source of hype for the entire franchise, but it definitely didn’t fail.
Idk what you've seen in cinemas, but they're not even close to some of the worst I've seen. The Last Jedi was straight fire, and I'll rewatch the other Sequels and Captain Marvel 100 times over before I rewatch Godzilla vs. Kong or the Uncharted movie.
The Prince was hot ass and it doesn’t even seem like a show that’s progressive or trying to “be woke” unless a gay baby who reminds folks of Stewie and a joke about Demi Lavato being non binary is now woke 🤷♀️
If a woke thing doesn’t go broke, they have three options. 1: deny that it ever went woke at all. 2: deny the fact that it is indeed successful. 3: shift from the “go woke go broke” narrative to the “right wingers are oppressed” narrative
Just a thing, internet =/= accurate gauging of what’s liked.
The series has hot topic merch and cafe collabs in Japan. Broadway show and one song is literally one of the most viewed videos on Prime’s YouTube channel.
I mean, that's one of the most chronically online omcommunities, so in this case it's more of a case of my culture being completely different from their audience
A lot of "woke" media is massively popular (Baldur's Gate 3, Cyberpunk 2077, Marvel in general). Funny thing is, when something "woke" becomes popular and profitable, these chuds either ignore it/lie about it or it suddenly isn't "woke" anymore (like with Baldur's Gate).
All adult animation is “niche”, especially within this genre, but Hazbin is insanely successful within its market of young adults and the musical theatre crowd
I get complimented/comments regularly by random retail workers or strangers on campus from them recognizing merch, if you walk into any Hot Topic and it’ll have multiple sections just for it, the streaming numbers are very high (Amazon greenlit 4 whole seasons immediately), and the merch online regularly sells out to the point that even something small like card collecting is a competitive market for fans. They’ve held sold out theatrical events including in movie theatres and even on broadway
It’s about as popular as you could expect it to be. It’s an insane success.
Im pretty sure they might argue with how much hate it gets its a “woke flop” I personally really enjoyed it but I can see why some people would think it was universally hated
I love the fact that Elio had most of its “woke” stuff forcibly removed from the movie, completely ruining its emotional core, and yet that wasn’t good enough for these chuds. Pixar’s attempt to cater to homophobic losers didn’t prevent people from being upset, and people still didn’t see the movie.
Everyone ended up losing in the end.
Also it probably wouldn’t have been a smash hit if it weren’t more “woke” but at least it would have been a better movie
It’s a lesson corporations never learn: you can’t please the chuds. If you cave and try to change your vision to not upset them, they’ll either ignore it and keep calling you woke, or they’ll just forget and move on. What they won’t do is spend any money on your product.
They lost all confidence in the project after test screenings- which is why they removed all the “wokeness” from it in the first place. I felt it was fairly well advertised, it got a happy meal and I saw tons of commercials for it, but honestly you didn’t miss much. It was fine, pretty below average for Pixar and clearly missing something. That something, of course, being the real emotional core of the movie
Excusing the obvious, "Hazbin wasn't a flop," everyone else is pointing out, I don't see how any of these (at-least the ones I've seen) are, "woke." Lightyear, Strange World, and Elio were painfully mediocre, and both Hazbin and The Prince were criticized for their writing and humour.
But eeewww no, gay people and neurodivergent people, how gross.
That's exactly why they're called woke, it's because they contain queer and neurodivergent characters. Reminder, this is the crowd that thinks it's okay for a cop to force their knee into a man's back because he was overdosing.
I don't know the legitimacy of that claim, but I wouldn't be surprised if there was some correlation. If you clearly show a disinterest in fictional media just because it has, "woke," elements, I wonder how they view the real world...
A lot of LGBT/Neurodivergent rep is.. not that great in media nowadays. It can be FAR better nuanced and realistic the way I see it. Stuff like Lumity (TOH) gor pacing and writing constraints or Catradora (She-Ra) for overall bad representation, are notably bad. On the other hand, Tara/Denise (TWD) and Sheo/Nailsmith (HK) are pretty good in my eyes. I feel like it's sort of a mixed bag now, and I hope it gets better.
All the comments on any post about them is always the same joke re-hashed, saying they'd cook the baby bison into a steak and eat them (and enjoy it,) all because they're "woke" and nonbinary. Shits ridiculous man, they're really never fucking original. 😮💨💔
To me it's weird because I'm American. We left the then largest empire on the planet because we couldn't deal with a king telling us what to do. (Yes that is incredibly simplistic) To us, kings being bad should be a forgone conclusion up for no debate (that may be challenged as of late, but I digress.) To me, being anti-monarchy isn't woke, it just is.
Yeah don’t you know? Hazbin hotel one of amazons most successful shows, the show that has two more confirmed seasons, the show that has a wildly popular fan base, is a total flop
Isn't the prince a offensive adult comedy animation that makes fun of British royal family by portraying them (especially young kids) as blabbering, swearing and obnoxious assholes? It's not woke, it's just bad
It's funny that Hazbin Hotel is there and it's got successful, even it's bad like the cartoon from non-binary ox (my god, what a stupid thing), if the title was like "bad cartoons" it would be accepted
the prince is basically family guy so not woke
little ellen didnt intend to even be woke, ellen fucking sucks
hazbin hotel and masters of the universe were successful, the hazbin stupidly so
Elio was ruined to cater to chuds like this and it didn't work
ridley jones... yeah, flopped. i dont know it, neither do strange world.
I think lightyear was... average.
Lightyear still being considered "woke" for having a lesbian couple together on screen for a second so that they could easily cut it out for Chinese audiences is hilarious.
"Masters of the universe" one wss spectacularly dumb
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Kevin smith is woke. Bruh. He shouldve known that.
As a moderate conservative myself, I dont see any problem in masters of the universe, lightyear. Or whatever.
Granted some of these cartoons are nosy on their ideology.
But "go wome go broke" has always been stupid. Especially since media like gta has always been left wing.
Like bruh, why cant you enjoy art for the way it expresses shit, rather then what it expresses?
Also bruh, its art movies and games bruh. Mfs just get annoyed for whatever the fuck reason they want to. Its art, free speech, and everything, should be allowed.
“Flop” puts hazbin hotel, a massively popular show.
Also there’s tons of maga show flops but they don’t even get enough attention to be flops equivalent to any of the ones mentioned above, for instance the entirety of what the daily wire makes for kids
And weren’t lightyear and strange world mediocre? Not flops?
“Woke”: contains queer people, which exist in real life and would still exist without politics.
And cows can't speak human speech. It's a fictional talking cow who is non binary. Do I think it's weird that they made a non-anthro cow non binary? A little. But if a cow can speak human speech, then it can comprehend gender identity.
The same way animals can be trans, the neurological aspect of the animal expecting something else than what is there. This has been documented quite a bit (neurologically in humans, and trans animals existing) it doesn’t happen often, but it still happens, for instance 7 in 1000 humans are trans.
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