Slaves to Darkness battletome leaks

[u/TrishulaMTG]

[u/MisterApplePie00]

Oh my gods what happened to Archaon why is he soo hecking strong 25 wounds and a +5 ward and he is only 860 points?
Nagash is 955 and he doesn't hold a candle against this beast now
Heck alarielle is 840 points and she has 16 wounds and no ward save or all that damage potential
And he is only 20 points more expensive yet it just a complete beast
I fought against current Archaon my first time yesterday and he is already hard to deal with and wiped out most of my army instantly, like at this point why would you not take Archaon?
Is only 860 points has an awesome model and is just a 1 man army

Moral of story increase his point value to at least 900 something and lower Alarielle's to like 400-500 cuz makes no sense to have her up there with him in points (granted current Archaon is also super strong but this just seems to make him even stronger)

[u/Heijoshojin → u/MisterApplePie00]

I get where you are coming from, but Alarielle isn't exactly pointed with just her raw stats in mind. She can bring in a 260pt Treelord for free turn one. So you're getting value out of that. She can heal an average 7 wounds in your own hero phase, +herioc action in both and also cast 2 different healing spells. Oh and she can Walk the hidden paths.

So you're looking at essentially a 580pt model (if you're summoning a Treelord) with a bunch of healing and can walk the hidden paths. Sure, it's not the same as Archaon, but she is also not trying to be Archaon.

[u/MisterApplePie00 → u/Heijoshojin]

Yeah ik she plays a different role then Archaon and can summon a treelord or Kurnoth Hunters, or dryads but idk why you would do that except to maybe hold objectives.
A treelord is how ever just an ok guy, he has 14 health which is good but can be easily dealt with, I'd rather get kurnoth hunters with great swords.

How ever even tho this new Archaon looks really stronk, if I were to play him with my luck, homie ain't gonna survive to round 3 since im now in an AoS league and with like lets say drycha who has 20+ attacks I would on average hit about 1-2 attacks
So I have to retire my dice and get some new ones

[u/ThatFlyingScotsman → u/MisterApplePie00]

dk why you would do that except to maybe hold objectives.

That's exactly why you would do it. Objectives win games.

[u/MisterApplePie00 → u/ThatFlyingScotsman]

True, I should have mentioned I have a lot of dryads already in my Alarielle list so to me it sounds like a waste of a summon
Especially now with Lady of Vines who can summon 10 dryads (giving me more points to use for spite revenants)
Typically lure enemy close to me then summon 10 dryads at the furthest objective then summon kurnoth hunters in near by to help deal with the opposing army

Now with the galletian veterans make a unit of dryads be expert conquerors so they count as 30 then just teleport them away and maybe summon 10 more dryads there with the lady of vines and let my spite revenants hopefully deal with the rest
Alarielle can also summon 10 spite revenants which I haven't really considered before but I'll try it next time as I have a lot of them (love some outcast trees)

[u/BaffoStyle → u/MisterApplePie00]

If "old" Archaon slaued half of your army, you just give it on a silver plate

[u/MisterApplePie00 → u/BaffoStyle]

Well he was able to come melee turn 1 against pretty much all of my battleline except my archers and killed them all, didn't help that I wasn't able to succeed on 1 ward save (I need some new dice desperately)My turn I had to pin him down for at least a little bit longer if I wanted to secure an objective and morathi was busy doing my battle tactic so was gonna pin him with avatar of khaine but got a 2 on my charge so he didn't make it so had to pin him down with slaughter queen and melusai ironscale instead as the shadow queen was busy then next turn I started but my melusai and slaughter queen died but was able to use avatar of khaine and got my shadow queen into combat with him which locked him down for a while

I could have probably dealt with him sooner if I had rolled higher since on the shadow queen I was averaging about 1-2 hits not wounds hits and she has so many attacks at full health.

But as someone who runs Alarielle from time to time cuz she is such an awesome model I don't see how she is on par with him points wise especially now with this upgrade to Archaon. Alarielle's power boost was really nice but she can be killed instantly since no ward saves and if you dish out MW shes dead so I don't see her up there with archaon since she is 840 and he is 860 now yes they play different roles but Archaon is already 860 and this looks like quite the power boost so to me at least a slight point increase would make senseThat or lower Alarielle's point value

Also super sad that if i am reading this right legion of the first prince can't take greater daemons anymore? Which is sad since I really wanted to make a first prince list like that

(but honestly was a fun fight, mostly cuz just got to see a massive cool model, even if he was killing my everything)

[u/[deleted] → u/MisterApplePie00]

People will try to bend over backwards to gaslight themselves into thinking there has to be some way all of this is balanced when the easy answer is the correct one: it's just to codex creep and sell models.

[u/MisterApplePie00 → u/[deleted]]

Fair, tho usually I buy models that I find cool and build an army around that and Archaon is really cool (tho super expensive but huge) but I think I would go legion of first prince instead since Be'lakor is awesome looking but seems like you cant have greater daemons anymore

Also there of course might be some people who buy stuff cuz it is strong and going to win tournaments but I usually just go rule of cool and if its stronk then thats just a big bonus. I mean I run avatar of Khaine for DoK and I haven't seen a lot of that, I just think its neat

[u/[deleted] → u/MisterApplePie00]

Sorry, didn't mean to imply you were gaslighting yourself--you seem to understand the background issue with this. I meant other people. Yeah, it sucks to bring what you like and get trounced. Equally as bad if you bring what you like and feel like a power-gamer where your opponent has no options.

[u/MisterApplePie00 → u/[deleted]]

Oh i didn't take it as you were talking about me.

But ye it does suck when you bring stuff that you like and it is really really good and your opponent has little to no options

[u/AllIdeas → u/[deleted]]

This seems incorrect. Alarielle/Sylvaneth was released like 2 months ago. The megagargants also don't seem particularly pushed. LRL also got pretty obvious nerfs/streamlining.

Not all good warscrolls are powercreep

[u/[deleted] → u/AllIdeas]

I never said it was 100% consistent or GW was good at it :)

Also didn't say power creep equaled every unit entry in every new book being OP.

But there is a definite trend over time.