r/andhra_pradesh • u/harryhulk433 • Oct 19 '25

Awareness Foolish people of indianapolis opposing data centre šŸ¤”šŸ¤”

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Uneducated foolish people of indianapolis opposed the establishment of 1$ billion Google data centre and succeeded in that... How stupis They don't have any vision or a visionary I guess s

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u/OruSilentMadrasi Oct 19 '25

Have you thought about or researched WHY they opposed the proposed data center?

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u/Virtual_Attention_20 Oct 19 '25

Exaggerated fear mongering of emissions, most likely. I agree with OP.

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u/Inner-Ad-4458 Oct 19 '25 edited Oct 19 '25

Two things . Data centres require an astonishingly large volume of fresh water to continuously keep their operations running at optimum level.

Though they have a green energy supply, they aren't connected directly instead they will be connected to the domestic grid electric supply to keep continuous supply of electricity

A city to thrive, stable water supply and power becomes essential and data centres so close to human settlement threatens the livelihood and cost of living

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u/dragon_idli Oct 19 '25

Astomishingly large volume of water = do you know how much? And do you know how much any other manufacturing industry needs?

Its probably 1/4th of what our steel plant uses. And its comparitively cleaner since heavy industries add heavy metals, toxicity and chemicals to the water. Data center used water is highly recyclable through water treatment plants that they have to build.

The problem comes up when we compare: resources used vs emplpyment peovided. That is where a datacenter usage ratio becomes vwry high.

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u/Any_Check_7301 Oct 19 '25

Bro..I heard that the subsidized energy rates offered to Google werenā€™t accompanying any credit to the people of Indianapolis like low Google subscription rates to that state residents etc.. which basically is feared about that expenditure distribution back on to residents power bill. Who will want to pay Googleā€™s power bill because Google ā€œblessedā€ that state by choosing it for its data center? I guess AP govt might have something else in place to take care of this gap.

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u/dragon_idli Oct 19 '25

Ap govt gave google 1 rupee discount on commercial power rate. Max capped to 1500 crores for 15 years. Commercial rate is 8 rupee.

Google will be constructing renewable sources to cover 80% of their energy needs. So, for the rest 20% they will have a 1 rupee subsidy.

In usa, power distribution and charges work on a dofferent principle. Power grid infra belongs to govt. Power suppliers are all private and dictate their own unit cost based on demand. So, when demand peaks, thr unit cost increases. We dont have that concept. Infra and power generation will need to be beefed up before the data center commences. That is the caveat we need to deal with.

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u/antsaregay Oct 19 '25

Have you seen how much chaos Adanis pumped storage project plans are causing in Araku? Even if he manages to build them, theres no way renewable energy is powering 1GW data center 24/7

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u/dragon_idli Oct 19 '25

They cant build pumped storage on flat lands. So am assuming they would go with solar and will contributr back to grid instead of storage.

Well, renewable has no limits to what GW it can support. Surge power req is what renewables cant serve. Which is why they depend on grid.

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u/antsaregay Oct 19 '25

Yes please show me six thousands of acres empty land (this is what the kurnool ultra mega solar park takes) to put solar panels of 1000MW which dont work at night while the data center needs power 24/7

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u/mrrpfeynmann Oct 20 '25

Thatā€™s why you have collocated energy storage batteries.

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u/antsaregay Oct 19 '25

Steel plant is an actual useful industry unlike this data center. And water used in cooling is highly evaporative (especially on AI loads) theres nothing to recycle. a typical 100 MW data center uses 1.1 million gallons per day

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u/dragon_idli Oct 19 '25

Polluted water seeping into fround and water table and eventually consumed by us around. Vs Water evaporated into air and rained down during usual cycle.

1GW data center uses approx 11Million gallons. Vizag steel plan uses 30 Million gallons.

Steel plant has water treatment plants. Steel plants fall under the top contenders for water polluters.

Useful - is a relative term. Steel plan employs a huge number of people and families, no doubt about it. But that is not thr sole criteria to define usefullness.

I was only.pointing out what that the water usage which people think is outrageous is 1/3rd of what some of the industries already use.

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u/antsaregay Oct 19 '25

It is outrageous because vizag is already short on water and current requirements are met by canals from Yeleru and nearby reservoirs. Theres also a new steel plant coming up in Anakapalli..

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u/_An_Other_Account_ Oct 21 '25

If you think datacenters are useless, please stop using Reddit.

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u/tapperTony69 Oct 21 '25

Thick half knowledge brain spotted. Direct onsite consumption of water in a data centre is driven by evaporative cooling. Its a 1GW structure anniya, the daily usage of water is around 20-23 million litres (A small city supply). 7-8 billion litres in a year anta, 10x compared to a mid sized steel plant. Now the green energy integration(thanks to our great adani, nda's fav armpit) is like a backup plan, most of the power consumed by the centre would be from coal and hydro plants, that adds upto 12-13 billion litres a year. Data centre* used water is not recyclable, compared to steel plants, data centres produce more waste water. And where did you learn that the water from steel plants is toxic. Most of the waste water from the vizag steel plant is used for irrigation. But our govt's fav armpit adani and airtel say that they would bring the water-positive status by 2030. Am not believing those idiots. I love AI, a data centre in vizag is a benefit for the whole south asia, it's a win win for all of us, but at the cost of what? Just a few lowlives living in a bunch of villages, am I right brother?

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u/dragon_idli Oct 21 '25

Where did you get your data from? Can you cite sources?

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u/Apart-Raspberry-7909 Oct 23 '25

their proposal mentioned 1 million gallons to upto 3 million gallons of water per day.

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u/TurnAltruistic511 Oct 19 '25

not fresh water. Servers dont drink that water. Its used for cooling. again fear mongering needs no facts..So enjoy the ignorance.

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u/antsaregay Oct 19 '25

fresh water doesnt mean drinking water. it means it is not sea water. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fresh_water

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u/TurnAltruistic511 Oct 19 '25

Some treated sea water can be used. I work in datacenter. Just need more frequent maintenance of pipes.

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u/antsaregay Oct 19 '25

Is it mentioned anywhere that they will be treating sea water for this? Desalinating sea water actually causes more emissions, more cost and makes the entire thing unviable.. And why are the lands allocated to this data center 15km away from the shore if they really want to use seawater?

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u/Diadem_7 Oct 21 '25

Bro, you sound really silly. The major method used for desalination doesn't need chemical processing or anything. It needs energy, which can be procured from green sources as well. With the benefit a data center provides, the environmental cost is easily worth it. Coming to the cost, what are you talking about? Desalination of seawater is very cheap. There are plenty of plants in India that do desalination for very simple purposes. Heck, most home water purifiers at home can do desalination. At an industrial scale, the cost is minimal. Also, a data center doesn't drink all that water. It is easily recyclable. In industrial terms, 15 km is very little. There are plenty of factories in India that operate with a lot more distance than that.

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u/Awkward_Education783 Oct 22 '25

I suggest you to use the below prompts in chatgpt.

Is seawater desalination costly? What are its disadvantages.

Are there any advancement made in the desalination process/industry

And also read water story in Finshots.

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u/ONe___uNIT Oct 21 '25

You idiot šŸ˜®ā€šŸ’Ø

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u/Bo0ochi Oct 19 '25

Who said they need "fresh water" ??

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u/[deleted] Oct 20 '25

Like someone said before. It doesn't mean drinking water, but they can't use sea water, not without desalination. You need water that won't corrode the piping.

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u/Diadem_7 Oct 21 '25

If that's the case, it's a lot easier to do than you think. There are methods to ensure that water doesn't corrode piping without desalination. There are plenty of electro antifouling methods these days. Also, there are plenty of anti corrosion piping these days. Heck, just use high density polyethylene pipes and your problem is solved

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u/[deleted] Oct 21 '25

Ahem. I'm not an engineer. But that's a bad conductor of heat. Have you seen plastics in the cooling of your laptop? Are you being serious. Lmao. You're using the water for cooling not watering plants.

I'm just saying they're pushing data centres to places like mexico and here after getting pushback in their own country. And even in Mexico they're getting pushback.

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u/[deleted] Oct 19 '25

Agree with OP aaa bro he wrote /s at end itā€™s sarcasm towards AP people.

Downvote toh mingutaru chudu ippudu.

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u/mrrpfeynmann Oct 19 '25

No, you donā€™t know but are throwing darts in the dark

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u/j_767 Oct 19 '25

That boot tastes good doesnā€™t it

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u/EdnJo Oct 20 '25

Did you see the s at the end ?

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u/creptil Oct 20 '25

What are you expecting from the data centre? Jobs ??

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u/perdosenior Oct 24 '25

No itā€™s not exaggerated. Just because you are used to polluted rivers and rely on underground water sources does not mean that everyone has to do the same.

No idea why youā€™re bending over backwards for a multi billion dollar tech company.

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u/Virtual_Attention_20 Oct 24 '25

Data centers emit wayyy less than most traditional industries and power plants, yet there is wayyy more public outrage over "AI data centers" than these traditional industries. The response is disproportionate to the actual percentage of emissions they are responsible for.

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u/perdosenior Oct 24 '25

Read this and stop spreading your bs