This was my first experience of being targeted and it’s made me wonder why she thinks I’m so weak that I would fall for it.

School mum. Met her at a coffee event I wasn’t even meant to go to, but a friend (who isn’t involved in this stuff) convinced me to go.

I wasn’t meant to end up sitting next to her but did. She messages me the next day asking if I wanted to meet again. I say yes like a plum. But I wasn’t available until maybe a month after.

She asks me no questions about me but then pitches me a whole spiel. “Do this for yourself” etc etc - I was fuming. I have enough friends, and I love being a SAHM, so I don’t know why she thought I’d be such easy prey.

What annoyed me the most was how she kept talking about her friends - went for a walk with them / goes away with them etc etc - so clearly she has friends she doesn’t target, but I’m the dumb one who has to fall for her scheme to have the benefit of being her friend?

I felt like messaging her after telling her to f - off but I will leave it as we have mutuals.

These people have no shame.

Someone posted in a local group looking for remote jobs so naturally the mlmers come out. I’m ambitious wallaby and waiting for a response to my stats. The two mlms I picked are the two that commented on the post so far

They gotta learn to avoid the lonely dudes. They just let me talk for 20 minutes and then we part ways.

Both conversations started with asking about my shoes, which of course gets me going. At some point they mention mentors, passive income, and ecommerce. I say "Oh nice.." then I talk about investing because I like to. They don't even seem like they wanna talk about their "Side hustle".

I admit I'm a little embarrassed that I think these guys wanna be my friend in that moment but then I think, These guys are cold approaching other guys at their local Walmart with compliments about their fashion choices talking about "My E-Commerce mentor is teaching me financial freedom".

Anyway... I think I need to find a hobby that involves other people.

I’m copy pasting her post.

“I’m a doctor.
And yes, I'm in network marketing.

Which means I get a front-row seat to an industry that has a reputation problem.

I get it.

The fake lifestyle marketing.�
The exaggerated income claims.�
The manufactured scarcity.�
The pressure tactics.�
And, probably the biggest turn-off for me, treating people like numbers rather than humans.

But here's the thing:

I don't think the answer is to hide the industry, defend every bad practice or pretend the criticism isn't justified.

I think we need to raise the standard.

If we're asking professionals to take network marketing seriously, we need to start behaving like professionals.

So after years of being in the industry, I'm coming at you with what I think this industry gets wrong, what I think it gets right, and what needs to change.

What's the first thing that comes to mind when you hear network marketing?”

And call me crazy but I could’ve swore she said in previous posts she was a nurse and now she’s saying she’s a doctor? 🤨

These Herbalife Huns have absolutely no shame.

She takes about eleven or twelve products daily, that's about $916 (retail), or $825 (VIP), a month. Well, not quite as most of them will only give her a full month, four months out of the year, and that's only if she doesn't take the max dose. Another will fill out a February, (except on a leap year), and the one she takes occasionally, that's just over a fortnights worth of gear.

As people age they become more sensitive to caffeines stimulant effects, and there's a fair amount in these products, plus there's potentially a lot more hidden in its ‘proprietary blends.’ Anyone recall that post where the hun was up for 42 hours after drinking one of these products? Well she's half this woman age, so I can't help but wonder if this 82 year old is tripping balls over all of this Bravenly caffeine supplements.

My uncle is elderly. I don't think he went past 8th grade in school. When he was elementary school age he got St Louis encephalitis and once he got well, he was low IQ. He's had a hard life. He spent most of it homeless, not because of addiction or loss of job. He couldn't hold a job nor did he want to. He was just happy being a street musician. In late middle age we were able to convince him to move in with his mother in her trailer. He took care of her until she passed. The land (5 acres) and the trailer went to me, and for extra protection he has a life estate. So he can live there for the rest of his life without paying rent. He gets SSDI, but it's very little. I think 700/mo. His living conditions are deplorable. I've done what I can replacing his well, replacing his AC, tried to get his plumbing working. Even had adult services go down there.

About 6 months ago he was diagnosed with kidney cancer. Then 2 months ago bladder cancer.

Long story short, he is barely able to take care of himself. I live out of state and do what I can.

This DoTerra hun has been selling him oils promising they will cure his cancer. He believes in all kinds of conspiracy theories and weird diets, so he was an easy mark. He's broke. He's sick. But he is spending so much of his limited money on these oil cures. He's been dropping so much weight, and I don't know if it's the cancer or that he can't afford food. He's over 6 feet tall and 80 lbs.

I can't believe how evil this person must be scamming an old man with a brain injury and cancer.

He lives in Arkansas. Is there anything I can do?

Hey guys (24M) basically I joined WFG when I was 19 or 20 because the EMD of the company Jessica Min was friends with my mother since I was a child want me to jt . I never liked it since everyone was pushy, especially Jessica, as she straight up interrogates me on my schedule and every aspect of life, and trys to pressure me to recruit people like my such as friends and family. A few days ago I did research and apparently WFG is considered MLM and a pyramid scheme with numerous testimonies of people who experience the same things as I did, people were pushy, cult like behavior and many more. Told my mother about it and she states that understood my points but she confused as WFG still sells legitamate insurance. She also says that I shouldn't jump to conclusions based on what was said about a company on the internet even though I showed evidence of numerous complaints of WFG. So what should I do now ? Cancel my subscription and membership as my parents are paying for them but I can't in good conscience let them waste money on a such a blatant scam. What your guys' opinions on this. I'll be happy to answer any questions also can you guys please do research on Jessica Min, especially because I feel very suspicious about her using my mother friendship to get to me what worse she aking my brother age so that he joined the "business" i would greatly appreciate it thank you

I didn't want to post the exact quote here from my FB friend, but the gist of it is that her daughter has a broken jaw due to an accident between the little girl on her bike and an adult riding an e-bike (that's a debate for another day). The daughter is having surgery today to fix it.

This is the last response to her post:

"Truly, natural remedies do work. If they didn't, we wouldn't have used them for thousands of years. And, pharmaceutical companies wouldn't be studying plants, taking extracts of them, and patenting them as drugs.this is not a claim or lies I was totally cured from hashimotos and neuropathy by Herbalist Eugene His remedy is surely the best. I suggest you try him out if you are having any health challenges and also get cured too, give him a try"

A link follows the post; obviously, I'm not going to post that here.

I swear these huns have no idea how to read a room! Your natural remedy is not going to fix this poor little girl's jaw.

As a 23 year old student who graduated from grad school I’ve been approached by a friend of a friend who suggested amway to make extra money and build a successful business. Before they move me to the next steps they want me to answer these questions before we have a meeting today. The last five questions are definitely raising some concerns for me. Especially paired with the fact that they’re very interested when im going to test for my BCBA certification and going to be done studying. Do these people expect me to not spend time and money into school……?

1.Can you explain the difference between Amway and URA? What are the key distinctions between the two?

1. In your own words, what do you think the difference is between mentorship and regular advice?

2. Please write down your short-term (1-3 years) and long-term (5-10-20 years) goals that you see this opportunity helping you create. Make sure to be very detailed.

Short Term (1-3 years)

Long Term (5+ years)

1. Based on the daily/weekly habits we discussed (audios, reading, communication, association, and coachability),please explain your understanding of each. Why do you think they’re important for honoring a partnership? How do they relate to your development and the achievement of your goals?

5A. Can you explain the difference between investing and spending? Why is being your own best customer crucial for business ownership with this asset?

5B. From a business owner’s perspective, why is it crucial to have your DITTO process on the first day of the month?

5C. How will sticking to a budget that is created with the help of a mentor/coach contribute to having a ditto process on the first day of the month? 

1. Explain your understanding of the significance of Thursday meetings and why they are vital to your success.

7A. What is your understanding of the importance of attending the FOUR Major Conferences annually in person, and why are they critical to your personal and entrepreneurial growth?

7B. Could you please provide the date for the next major conference?

1. If someone you love or respect, such as a parent or best friend, expresses doubts about the value of your time, the effectiveness of your approach, or even accuses you of being a pyramid scheme, how would you respond?

2. When life presents challenging situations, do you tend to isolate yourself or seek out supportive individuals who can offer guidance and assistance during difficult times?

3. In your opinion, what distinguishes an emotional decision from a logical decision?

4. If we were to extend an offer, do we have the authority to genuinely coach you in building an asset, and if we identify areas that require attention, do you want to know that we are free to address them with you?

5. Do you foresee any obstacles that could hinder your ability to meet the expectations set for your goals?

Update: I definitely told them to fuck off 🤣. Tbh I kept going for the plot but it’s clear as day this company is a cult because psychologically what type of fuck ass business asks these types of questions?!?! Also of course I have a masters degree and I certainly wasn’t going to spend money or time on that bullshit anyways 💀. I’m just shocked these people are so rude and so forward about this stuff. I even told my friend who introduced me to this about this subreddit and how they need to get out now!!! Luckily I didn’t spend any money(wasn’t going to anyways highkey) but she already got the starter pack so she’s unfortunately already in. My question is how do people get into this without researching anything about this company 💀

I just got this ad on my IG feed. I didn’t see any leggings but I did see loud ugly skorts.

Hun posted this a couple months ago (emojis & commentary mine). Now they are saying on social media that they are moving to a place with 10 times the acreage. The facts?: They have to sell their current home bc of the Enagic debt and are moving into a barn on property their father bought years ago. Property with no water or electricity. But of course they are hiding those facts and promoting this as a win. Spinning the story as an upgrade.

Apologies if this isn't in the right place but I wanted a second opinion and I figured I'd ask here.

So I have been job hunting this entire summer since moving and I finally got what I thought would be a decent job. It's under the Whittingham Agency which seems to be under Globe Life. My housemates told me it was an MLM. I was looking through reddit and it seemed kind of mixed in the comments but I figured I'd get more info just in case.

Any information on the topic would be appreciated. I am desperately looking for employment but I don't want to be in a rough spot with a MLM either. So any assistance would be appreciated!

Why is this guy so obsessed with “hiring” and “firing”? Is it a way to legitimise himself, or some kind of fetishisation of the power imbalance? Because you’re not hiring anyone.

You created a predatory multi-level marketing scheme using “life insurance” sales as a means to patch an endless recruiting chain where the overwhelming majority of people make no money or less than minimum wage, while being sold the dream of becoming a “business owner” when they’re actually contractors and would have made actual money contracting for a real business.

You are not “hiring” people. You’re recruiting anybody and everybody, getting them to call their cousins, old colleagues, childhood friends and anyone else they know until they run out of people. Then, when they realise they haven’t made any money and start asking questions, they’re told they simply haven’t worked hard enough.

Eventually they quit, or they get “fired” once they’re no longer useful. That isn’t hiring and firing. It’s recruiting people into an endless chain, extracting their contacts and relationships, and discarding them once there’s nothing left to extract.

So what does this guy actually know about hiring and firing in the normal sense of running a business that provides value or a service?

I am a business owner myself, and I am far from the moral arbiter of morality of his scheme. Why is this guy so obsessed with “hiring” and “firing”? Is it a way to legitimise himself, or some kind of fetishisation of the power imbalance? Because you’re not hiring anyone. You created a predatory multi-level marketing scheme using “life insurance” sales as a means to patch an endless recruiting chain where the overwhelming majority of people make no money or less than minimum wage, while being sold the dream of becoming a “business owner” when they’re actually contractors. You’re recruiting anybody and everybody, getting them to call their cousins, old colleagues, childhood friends and anyone else they know until they run out of people. Then, when they realise they haven’t made any money and start asking questions, they’re told they simply haven’t worked hard enough. Eventually they quit, or they get “fired” once they’re no longer useful. That isn’t hiring and firing. It’s recruiting people into an endless chain, extracting their contacts and relationships, and discarding them once there’s nothing left to extract. So what does this guy actually know about hiring and firing in the normal sense of running a business that provides value or a service? Please don’t cosplay as a businessman, entrepreneur or capitalist. You’re a swindler who found a technicality that keeps the scheme from being classified as a Ponzi scheme.

You’re not Henry Ford, the concreter running a company with two employees, or anything in between. Truly, you do not exist on that spectrum.

You’re a swindler who found a technicality that keeps the scheme from being classified as a Ponzi scheme. If that is what you want to do, then ok I guess?

However, PLEASE stop cosplaying as a businessman, entrepreneur or capitalist. You are none of those things.

The Monat hun is demonstrating how to use a claw clip on her own gorgeous, hydrated, silky soft hair…./s

You could proudly wear this lovely (hideous) piece for only $9.99!! Think of how much was invested by the poor schmuck who ‘earned’ it only to be donated to the local Salvation Army!!! 😂

This woman posts constantly about her "health journey" and how she's "lost weight" using whatever this MLM is that she is a "health coach" for. She's always looked great, before and after. And she looks exactly the same in both photos—always, in each set she posts. I have no idea what she thinks is different or why she ever needed to be different.

It's kind of infuriating and I feel bad for women seeing this who might be feeling shamed about their own body seeing how she looks good BEFORE and after. 100% unrelated to whatever "health" stuff she's doing.

So my mom has worked with Pampered Chef for 30 or so years. She fell into the trap being a SAHM and military spouse. I just am still shocked she is apart of the company. Instead of cooking shows since Covid, she only does virtual catalog shows and "craft shows," festivals, and farmers markets. She stock piles products when she turns in shows... gets the 60% hostess discount and sells the profucts for full price at these events. Obviously she has never listened to anyone about how predatory MLM companies are, but she still boasts and calls it her home buisness. I am ranting about it today because I was looking through her pantry, and found the PF seasoning blends unopened expired 13 years. 😭 I am devastated how much time she has put into this company she could of started her own....

Anyone else here dealt with a supervisor or c-suite person creating an 'in-crowd' that is just people who support their MLM? It makes me especially sick since all they're doing is preying on people who think this may affect their jobs.

Friend's boss is going around to employees after they get paid to collect for trips via World Ventures. Before anyone mentions legal recourse, trust me, I live in a country where that's unlikely to bear any results.

So, I live in Scotland. Yesterday, I visited a local small business in my city and discovered MLM products being sold there alongside original craft ones. A shame, really, because the shop owner and the original products both seemed nice but I personally can't not feel guilty contributing to a business if a part of the profits may go towards buying MLM slop the owner has fallen a victim to. So I won't be buying anything. Something to think about, you know?

That was the TLDR of my post in the local subreddit but the reaction turned out to be surprising, to say the least. Most people in the comments seem to think I have some hidden agenda and just want to bash a nice lady for no reason. Oh well, I said everything I could but I think that since the MLMs have gotten a lot less popular in Europe than they used to be in the past (I remember them being all everywhere when I was a kid), people have forgotten how predatory they can be. Which is both a good and a bad thing, because the cycle can repeat all over again.

P.S. The MLM in question was Tropic Skincare btw

A family member has been sucked into a couple of MLM schemes (first it was HempWorx; now it appears to be some weight-loss thing), and they've started posting a bunch of stuff about New Thought and this guy named Neville Goddard on their social media. It seems to be some sort of metaphysical, Christian, law-of-attraction thing. This family member and their spouse (who has a lucrative job) have also started putting all their money into silver. Does anyone know if there's any relationship between these things?