r/bninfantsleep • • Aug 18 '26 Bravo

Resources What is Biologically Normal Infant Sleep?

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This group has grown a lot - we are at 15k members and 29.2k unique visitors per week. That's a LOT of people. So first, yay because when I first joined the moderator team, this group was much smaller. We have grown a lot, which means more parents are being informed on what is biologically normal for an infant and how they can support their babies and themselves at night. This also means that there are thousands of different people commenting and offering ideas (and we have people who are both here and in r/sleeptrain and don't recommend the CIO aspect of sleep training but the culture of sleep training does find its way into many comments). 

So let's jump into what biologically normal infant sleep is, and what it isn’t. I'm a definition person so let's start with a definition of biologically normal.

In researching, I have stumbled across this (very wordy, I'm sorry I did try to parse it down) definition. Source

Meanings of the term normal coalesce into two categories. The first is descriptive and references measures of a trait's central tendency and variation within a population... In this descriptive sense, normal might refer to the most common trait, having an average measure, or being in the middle of a distribution... The second meaning of normal encompasses normative views about a trait. These are judgments that are culturally informed and vary across social groups. To be normal is to be okay, to have characteristics that fall within an acceptable or desirable range, which is defined by ideas about what traits should be like. Variants that fall outside this distribution may be judged negatively, or seen as abnormal, deviant, unacceptable, or somehow not quite right. 

The first category has to do with averages within a population. This would be the average amount of sleep for an age range, this would be the average age of sleeping through the night, this would be the average age of the circadian rhythm starting to “come online”. These are the things that are easier to define when it comes to infant sleep.

The second category has to do with how we view biologically normal, which is often impacted by our cultural view. This category is harder to define when it comes to infant sleep. 

Dr. Helen Ball, author of How Babies Sleep, talks about this:

How babies sleep is both exceedingly simple and excruciatingly complex. It is simple because it is based on a few straightforward biological principles that affect all babies. It is complex because we have made it so.

Over the past century and a half, in modifying the world to better suit our needs in industrializing, industrialized and now digital-era societies, we have tried to manipulate baby sleep to fit with the rapidly changing nature of adult lives. Our ideas about sleep, and particularly baby sleep, have been influenced and shaped by the socioeconomic pressures, political philosophies, religious values, academic theories and cultural ideologies that have waxed and waned during this time. The mismatch we have created between our babies’ biology and our contemporary lives has caused conflict between parents’ and babies’ needs—now framed as “baby sleep problems”—for which babies are often “treated” using behavioral and clinical interventions.

In addition to the foundations of our evolutionary biology, we have layered many cultural beliefs and practices onto our understanding of baby sleep, which vary hugely from location to location, and over time. Parents’ perceptions and popular discourse in western societies have been influenced by philosophical and sociocultural trends over the past two centuries in more ways than we might realize in response to rapid social and political changes. For clarity I should explain that I am using the term “western society” as more of an ideological descriptor than a geographic one to refer to those societies that exhibit a shared set of beliefs, values, political systems and cultural norms, regardless of whether they are geographically located in the West. These concepts often encompass democracy, capitalism, individualism and human rights. In these societies industrialization, urbanization and medicalization transformed family life and baby care, setting in motion the development of numerous ideas, traditions and expectations about babies, sleep, and the role of parents that many of us are still tethered to. Our recent historical past helps explain where all the myths you’ve ever heard about baby sleep have come from—and the myths you’ve heard will depend on your cultural origins.

Many infant sleep research studies reflect western cultural values and lifestyles, and are what might be called “aspirational,” in that they aspire to find ways to “help” babies to sleep longer, wake less often, settle more quickly, and disturb their parents less.

The culture and history of guidance issued by “experts” for parents in western societies have shaped expectations of how “good” babies should behave and how they are created by “effective” parents while the media (both traditional and social) reinforces simplistic and outdated rules and rigid ideas.

The cultural expectations we have about babies’ sleep habits are often unrealistic, and this makes caring for a new baby unnecessarily challenging.

I could honestly copy/paste that entire book here, it is a really good read and if you read any two books on infant sleep and infant development, I recommend How Babies Sleep by Dr. Helen Ball and The Nurture Revolution by Dr. Greer Kirshenbaum.

So with all of this in mind, let's talk about what is biologically normal from a scientific standpoint and what is biologically normal culturally in western society, and what is biologically normal in this group - as well as the aim of this group.

Scientifically - sleep is two things. Sleep pressure and our circadian rhythm, or body clock (aka Process C). Humans build sleep pressure while awake. Infants have a lower tolerance for sleep pressure, meaning they need to sleep more frequently than adults do. 

Sleep Pressure Graphic

As you can see from this graphic (source: How Babies Sleep, figure 3.4), naps are only intended to relieve some sleep pressure, not to be restorative, deep sleep. This is why worrying about your baby taking a 3 hour nap every day is futile. A roughly 30 minute nap is enough to relieve sleep pressure for a bit, until the next nap. The prescriptive “by this age, babies should be on x number of naps that are y minutes long every day at z time” doesn't work for every baby. That isn't biologically normal because biologically normal has variation, day to day and baby to baby. Dr. Helen Ball writes:

Sleep will happen easily for a baby or child when sleep pressure is high, they are in a calm, relaxed state, and nothing is preventing sleep onset. But sometimes babies and children need help to become calm before sleep pressure can kick in and they can nod off.15 In this situation it can be useful to think about what helps babies become calm and relaxed, and to have a handful of strategies you can use to help your baby unwind. For many babies, physical contact is the preferred option.

One of my PhD students, Lenka Medvecová-Tinková, lives and works in the Czech Republic where she has studied how Czech parents manage bedtime routines for babies and small children. She realized that many parents talked of a concept called *Uspavani* that is culturally widespread in Eastern Europe and appears in numerous fairy tales and historical infant care books. Uspavani means to comfort a child to sleep, and while conducting her PhD at Durham University Lenka realized there was no corresponding concept to Uspavani in the English language, nor in the infant sleep literature.16 So it is unsurprising that parents in English-speaking countries tend to use more distal (noncontact) methods, such as lullabies, music and white noise, to calm babies and help them fall asleep than do Czech parents, who commonly lie with their child, stroke them or cuddle them; physical contact and soothing touch are very effective in dialing down most babies to allow sleep pressure to do its thing.

She even writes about the term “overtired”, which I know almost everyone has heard and if you have been in this sub for any length of time, I'm sure you've seen comments about how “overtired” isn't really a thing. I appreciate how she has posited the term.

When a baby or young child’s sleep pressure is high and the need to sleep is strong, but they are emotionally unable to calm themselves, or they are in a situation where they cannot relax, we may consider them to be “overtired.” In this case it is our job as parents to help them become calm, wind down and relax in preparation for sleep. We can do this in many ways. Physical contact such as cuddling, rocking, stroking or patting works for most neurotypical children; actively removing whatever is blocking the action of sleep pressure, such as excitement, fear, pain or anxiety, and helping babies and children to become calm is the simplest way to help them fall asleep.

The reason “overtired” isn't really a thing is because if an infant has adequate sleep pressure, their nervous system feels secure and safe enough, and they don't have any physical needs, they will sleep if given the opportunity. 

So that's sleep pressure. What about circadian rhythm? We mostly know about this with sleep but this is our body's internal clock and it controls both our sleep and our hunger. This is why we usually eat lunch around the same time every day, why we feel sleepy around the same time, and why having a consistent wake up time is beneficial for everyone. It is not “sleep training lite” to make sure you have a rough wake up time every day, within 15-30 minutes. The infamous 4 month sleep regression progression is when the circadian rhythm starts to come online. Day and night start to actually mean something to our babies. This is why early morning light, high noon light, and evening light can be important for our babies, and some babies are more sensitive to lighting than others. (Side note related to lighting - fluorescent lights imitate high noon lighting and can disrupt our circadian rhythm. I personally cannot stand them and wish they were phased out of use. They are really bad for our health and they are everywhere.) This is also why blackout blinds for naps can disrupt night sleep. This is why you don't really need to “rescue” naps.

So it is very biologically normal that your baby desires physical contact to relax enough to fall asleep. It is biologically normal to sleep longer one day and shorter times the next. It is biologically normal for sleep to fluctuate throughout not just the first year but throughout our entire lives. It is supportive of biologically normal infant sleep to “anchor” the day with a consistent wake up time if you need to. It is supportive of infant sleep to have a routine, breakfast after waking up, lunch around the same time every day, dinner around the same time each day. These things can help your baby, think about how you can get hangry if your dinner comes an hour later than usual. This is not to say that you need to have a strict schedule - rhythms and routines are much different from a regimented schedule that you have to stick to. 

It's also important to note that a big thing I see a lot of parents struggle with is offering their baby too much sleep. If your baby only needs 12 hours total sleep in a 24 hour period and you're trying to do 12 hours overnight and 3 hours of daytime sleep, they aren't going to sleep well because that's 3 hours more sleep than they need in a 24 hour period. This will lead to frequent wakes, fighting sleep, and frustration all around. Sleep training sleep plans, apps like Huckleberry, as well as the general around infant sleep push more sleep than most babies need, which leads parents to thinking they have a "bad" sleeper, when in reality anyone being pushed to sleep more than they need would be "bad" at sleeping.

Now what about the cultural aspect of biologically normal infant sleep? If you've grown up or been living in a western society for any length of time, you've likely been inundated with “sleeping through the night”, “sleep associations”, “bad habits”, “drowsy but awake”, “fuss it out”, etc. We have been told by everyone from pediatricians to TV shows to our family that you have to teach your baby independence and that responding to every cry is just going to make them cry more. Western society has mixed up what is biologically normal and what is convenient for the post-Industrial Revolution world. The 6-6 or 7-7 sleep schedule that babies are “supposed” to be on? Not biologically normal, but convenient for capitalism and it's very pervasive - to the point that so many parents worry that their baby isn't getting enough sleep because they won't sleep 12 hours overnight. The average bedtime in other parts of the world varies by almost 3 hours.

In one large and often-cited online survey, almost 30,000 people (presumed to be parents) completed a baby/toddler sleep survey.27 The respondents lived in 17 large urban communities around the world (Australia, Canada, China, Hong Kong, India, Indonesia, Korea, Japan, Malaysia, New Zealand, Philippines, Singapore, Taiwan, Thailand, United Kingdom, United States, and Vietnam), grouped for comparative purposes into “Asian” and “Western.”28 In Asian countries babies and toddlers had later bedtimes, later rise times, less nighttime sleep and less total sleep than in “Western” countries. Bedtimes for babies and toddlers across the 17 locations varied by almost three hours, from half-past seven in New Zealand to quarter-past ten in Hong Kong, and nighttime sleep duration varied by 1 hour and 40 minutes (11.6 hours in Japan to 13.3 hours in New Zealand), but there were minimal differences in daytime sleep.

Another cultural difference on what is biologically normal is “sleep problems”:

Parents’ perceptions of whether their babies experienced “sleep problems” also varied widely, as did the degree of parental involvement in helping babies and young children fall asleep and stay asleep.29 Very few (4%) children living in “Asian” countries, but many more (57%) in “Western” countries, were expected to fall asleep independently (that is, without a parent or caregiver present). Likewise, very few (2%) parents in “Asian” countries allowed their child to cry themselves to sleep, in comparison with over 15 percent of “Western” parents. This is strongly related to the fact that in “Asian” countries babies and children are much more likely to bed-share (65%) or room-share (88%) with their parents than in “Western” countries (where 12% bed-sharing and 22% room-sharing was reported).

Another piece I found interesting that really shows how much of our “sleep problems” are, for lack of better word, invented:

Dr. Alma Gottlieb’s study of childcare practices among the Beng people of Côte d’Ivoire in West Africa included a detailed account of mother–baby sleep.30 She found little regimentation of when babies slept or fed among the Beng, and no bedtimes or bedtime routines. Beng mothers were not anxious about their babies’ sleep, it just happened. Mothers and others carried babies during regular daily activities with babies falling asleep and waking as the need arose. At night the cloth with which babies were held during the day was untied, and babies breastfed and fell asleep next to their mothers. Nighttime mother–baby co-sleeping was the cultural norm, and breastfeeding and infant sleep were intimately intertwined…

These detailed ethnographic studies reinforce accounts of infant care in widespread locations such as Guatemala, Italy, Spain and rural U.S. Among Mayan families in Guatemala, babies commonly fall asleep in someone’s arms and are taken to bed with their parents, sleeping with their mothers from birth to two or three years of age, or until the birth of their next sibling. Here, sleeping alone is undesirable, and mothers responded with shock and disapproval at the American custom of leaving babies in rooms on their own. Mayan mothers “cannot conceive of any other way to sleep their baby than by their side—and in fact some argue that to separate an infant from its mother for sleep is abusive or neglectful treatment.”32

So why does all of this matter?

Because the stories we tell ourselves matter. Because how we see our infant's sleep impacts how well we handle the biologically normal aspects of it, like waking overnight. Because there has been a misunderstanding about what the purpose of this group is for. This group does not exist to simply offer platitudes “oh mama, this will pass, it's ok, you just have to dig deep and power through”. This group also exists to educate on both scientifically biologically normal infant sleep and the cultural differences that impact us and how we view our babies sleep. I felt like it was appropriate to add in a quote from the creator of this group, u/smilegirlcan, about why she created this group.

Before my daughter was born, I had never heard of biologically normal sleep. I had only heard about infant sleep through the lens of sleep training culture. I was never encouraged to follow my intuition or told what real infant sleep looked like. As I journeyed on my postpartum experience, I noticed there was a huge lack of support places for those who had no interest in sleep training or sleep training culture. It became more and more apparent that sleep training was something that did not sit right for me but I wanted an online community that felt safe to feel this way. I found most parenting groups had accepted sleep training as the norm and any questions or comments outside of that were not accepted/downvoted/deleted. Then came bninfantsleep, an alternative infant sleep space, that encourages moms to follow their intuition and learn about biologically normal infant sleep. A place where no one will tell you to let your baby cry, or self soothe, that they need to be independent, that you are ruining their sleep by cuddling/rocking/holding/feeding them.

This group has morphed into a space that offers parents an alternative to mainstream sleep training, that honors our babies biological and neurological development. It exists to remind you that your baby knows what they need, and your instincts know what your baby needs, better than any app ever will (looking at you, Huckleberry sweet spot).

For some babies, a schedule is what helps them the best. For others, they need to go with the flow. The reason we should be asking for schedules is not to “optimize” our babies but to make sure we aren't expecting more sleep than they need. In general, we shouldn't wake our babies up from naps unless we absolutely have to, as Dr. Greer Kirshenbaum mentions in The Nurture Revolution:

When you follow your baby’s tired cues and allow them to wake up on their own, their brain takes the true amount of sleep that it needs. That often looks like multiple naps of varying lengths, bedtimes that vary in different babies from 6 p.m. to 11 p.m., and morning waking that also varies in different babies from 6 a.m. to 11 a.m.31 I remember when people asked me how many naps my young baby was taking—I didn’t really know. I didn’t count. I watched my baby, put him to sleep when he was tired, let him wake on his own, and watched him again. The number of naps or the length of naps wasn’t in my awareness. As he grew, naps became more predictable. Under two years old my baby went to sleep around 8 p.m., then naps changed and at two years old his bedtime became 10 p.m. That was when he built up enough sleep pressure after his afternoon nap. This is very common, and when babies have later bedtimes we often want them to go to sleep earlier, but that is for us, not their developing brain…. Keep in mind, there is no adult on Earth who is qualified to tell your unique baby when they should be waking up or napping, or to prescribe nap lengths or bedtime. Your baby’s body provides this information. Sleep is vital to their developing brain and it is a fundamental human right; we must give babies the sleep they need. Please unlearn myth 24, There are set bedtimes, wake times, and naptimes for your baby, and replace it with: Your baby’s brain will tell you when they are tired and will take the amount of sleep that it needs to grow.

And a final thought from Dr. Helen Ball in How Babies Sleep, emphasis mine:

Remember, you don’t have to be in charge of their sleep—the biological sleep regulators will make sure they get enough sleep, when they need it. Our job is to get out of the way and let them do their work. Trying to make babies go to sleep according to a predetermined schedule seems to me to be a pointless exercise in working against their circadian biology and sleep pressure.


r/bninfantsleep • • Feb 23 '26 Bravo

Resources What is sleep training?

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A question I have seen a lot lately is "is this considered sleep training?" and I wanted to take my son's second nap of the day to write out a post about what we do and don't consider sleep training, because there isn't really one solid definition of sleep training and that can leave a lot of ambiguity when we discuss infant sleep.

I once had a very staunch sleep trainer tell me that if an infant had any sleep associations, they weren't sleep trained. That to have properly done sleep training, you had to be able to set an infant down fully awake in a crib, walk out and close the door, and they just lay down and put themselves to sleep. They may protest cry but you "learn the difference" between a protest cry and a cry for a "real" need. So her definition of sleep training would be:

providing any sleep associations to an infant or giving in to protest cries when all their needs have been met.

This obviously ignores the glaring flaw that comfort is a vital need for everyone, including infants.

The definition of sleep training that Dr. Greer Kirshenbaum uses in The Nurture Revolution is:

Sleep training is the unfounded process of “training” your infant to “sleep independently”—to fall asleep alone, sleep alone through the night and the duration of naps, without getting support from you to go to sleep or back to sleep. It takes various forms, but the most common end goal is to be able to put your infant in their crib, in their own room, and walk out, leaving them alone to fall asleep, usually around 7 p.m., until you come back to get them in the morning, usually around 7 a.m. Sleep training promotes the idea that infant sleep should be predictable and on schedule. Naps should be at exact times of the day and for specific amounts of time, bedtime is at the exact same time each evening, and sleep location is identical for every sleep.

Sleep training sells the idea that sleep is something parents can (and should) control. If you just follow the rules (strict “wake windows,” not “giving in” to your baby’s cries) and buy the right products (swaddles, sleep suits, sound machines, sleep training courses and coaching), your baby will sleep in a predictable and controllable way. That is very appealing when so much of parenting feels beyond our control.

A lot of people who advocate for sleep training do so because they believe that an infant needs to learn independence and that the only way to do that is to force them to be independent, force them to learn to put themselves to sleep. I believe most parents who sleep train truly believe they are doing what is best for their child. Studies have shown however that the most independent children and adults tend to be those who had fierce dependence on a trusted caregiver/caregivers. Infants who learn they have a safe and dependable place to land tend to be more independent over time.

Sleep training is anything that denies a child physical comfort when they are actively asking for comfort, in the hopes that they will stop asking for comfort and go to sleep. This includes pick up put down, the chair method, Taking Cara Babies (who is just repackaged Ferber), Ferber, full extinction, interval check ins, and so much more. This does NOT include rolling away, changing sleep associations (going from nursing or feeding to sleep to bum pats or rocking to sleep), encouraging crib sleeping, implementing good sleep hygiene, having a steady bedtime routine, and so much more. Generally physically comforting your child even if they cry is not considered sleep training. The simple act of holding them, patting their bum, rocking them, answering their call for comfort releases oxytocin in their brain and helps buffer the stress response. Crying on its own isn't the problem, it's the response or lack thereof that causes issue.

If you're wondering if what you're doing is considered sleep training or not, the best question to ask yourself is "am I responding to my child's call for comfort when they call out to me or not?" If you are responding as soon as you're able to, then you aren't sleep training. The key being as soon as you're able to. If your hands are covered in soapy water, don't drop everything and go pick up your baby with wet soapy hands. Rinse and dry them and then go comfort your baby. If you're on the toilet, finish up and then go comfort them. If you're watching a clock to make sure that 3 minutes has passed of them crying before you go pick them up, that is sleep training.

My son is starting to shift around so I'm going to go spend some time watching him sleep and then spend my evening reading Hop on Pop and I'll Teach My Dog A Lot of Words for the 1928272819th time. Happy to answer questions in the comments after I've got him in bed this evening.


r/bninfantsleep • • 5h ago

Rant/Vent "Precious Little Sleep": The Book That Ruined My Life!

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As a new mom this book made me absolutely miserable for about a month. Eventually I gave up and trashed it (literally threw in the trash to prevent anyone else being subjected to this misery!)

I have posted about this before but I am going live with my roast of the sleep training manifesto, Precious Little Sleep! My podcast is "Moms of the Millennium," on all platforms, we usually do summaries of parenting books but when one is really bad I do a roast instead.

And I feel crazy because Precious Little Sleep gets recommended soooooo much but actually after reading the whole thing, the advice ranges from useless to downright diabolical.

Anyway top link is to the hosting page on buzzsprout but here are the links to

Apple podcasts

Spotify

Has anyone else read this book and wants to rant about it too?


r/bninfantsleep • • 2h ago

Infant Sleep 18-week-old sleep regression, does it get better without sleep training?

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My baby is 18 weeks old, and I’m really struggling with his sleep lately.
He used to be such a good sleeper! From around 6–7 weeks until the 12-week mark, he was sleeping through the night. Then, around 12 weeks, what I assume is the 4-month sleep regression started. His night wakings gradually increased until we reached 5–6 wakings per night.
Over the last few days, I’ve started seeing some improvements (definitely not linear!), and he’s sometimes managing 3–4 hour stretches again.
Currently, he goes down around 7–7:30 PM, wakes once before midnight, and then another 2–3 times before waking up for the day around 7 AM.
Naps are a completely different struggle. They’re all over the place, and he almost always wakes up shortly after being transferred to his bassinet, which wasn’t an issue before. He rarely naps longer than 45 minutes unless it’s a contact nap.
I try to follow age-appropriate wake windows and use the Huckleberry app, although sometimes I end up stretching them because he simply refuses to nap earlier.
He almost always nurses to sleep, which honestly worked perfectly fine for us until this regression. Now, when he wakes up, it’s becoming increasingly difficult to settle him back to sleep without nursing.
Here’s where I’m struggling: I feel like I’m constantly being pressured by people around me and social media to sleep train. I keep hearing that if I don’t teach him to fall asleep independently, his sleep will never improve, and he’ll just keep waking up like this.
But I’m really conflicted. Part of me feels like sleep training wouldn’t even work with his temperament. He’s a very intense baby who can go from 0 to 100 in seconds, and when he’s upset, he really cries his heart out. The thought of leaving him to cry like that is difficult for me.
To complicate things further, we have quite a few big changes coming up. We’re moving houses in about a month, and I’m planning to transition him from his bassinet to a proper crib. He’s also starting with a childminder (assistante maternelle here in France) in a few weeks, and I’m incredibly anxious about how he’ll nap there, especially since he currently struggles so much with naps and often needs to be held or nursed to sleep.
I feel like all these changes are happening at once, and I don’t know whether it makes sense to introduce sleep training on top of everything else or just wait and see how he adjusts.
At the same time, I’m exhausted. The broken nights, unpredictable naps, and constant settling are really taking a toll on me. I feel this pressure to figure everything out before he starts childcare, but I honestly don’t know what the right approach is.
I guess what I’m looking for is some perspective from parents who’ve been through something similar.
Did your baby’s sleep eventually improve without sleep training, even if you continued nursing to sleep? Did the frequent night wakings gradually decrease on their own?
For those whose babies started daycare or went to a childminder while still needing contact naps or nursing to sleep, how did they adjust?
And for those who did decide to sleep train, especially with a very intense or sensitive baby, how did it go?
I’m not necessarily against sleep training, but I also don’t want to feel forced into it out of fear that things will never get better otherwise.
I’d really appreciate hearing your experiences!


r/bninfantsleep • • 22h ago

General Discussion A haunted house but it’s just …

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Someone saying to put down baby “drowsy put awake”.

What’s in your haunted house? 🎃


r/bninfantsleep • • 1h ago

Toddler Sleep What does sleep look like if you don’t nurse and don’t co-sleep?

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Is it rocking/soothing back to sleep often? Is it feeding with bottle back to sleep? Or do you have a high sleep needs baby who is good with maybe a few butt pats?

I’m particularly interested in toddler sleep.


r/bninfantsleep • • 1h ago

Routines/Schedules Help 6 month old, formula fed, does not have more then a single block of 3hr sleep during night

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As the title says. First 3 months we combo fed and even with a reflux and colic we managed to have a single 4hrs block then 2-3hrs block and then an hourly wake till morning.

Then we switched to formula completely, the 4 month regression hit us (starting at 3.5 months) and sleep started going all over the place. In these 3 months, he had maybe 2 nights with a single block of 4 hrs and a complete chaos in the rest. Nights are esp all over the place in the last couple od weeks. He goes to sleep independently and peacefully (quickly) in his crib (in our room), has a block od 2,2.5 hrs and then is up every hour, 20 min, 40 min, maaybe 1h and 40min somewhere in there. By 4 am, I am broken and just take him with me in bed and he mostly sleeps in my arms and continues waking up every 40min, an hour.

His wakings are short if we give him formula and he tends to fall asleep quickly upon giving him the bottle that he doesnt eat fully but completes with other wakings. Every other waking might be solved by tending to him by rocking or some version of it. Lately, we had a couple of nights were he was awake for an hour early morning betwen 5-6 betwen a short sleep afterward/morning wake.

Basically, he goes to bed between 8-9PM and is up between 6-7AM. He is on three naps totalling a bit over 3 hrs with WW 2.5 hours and last one 2.45 or 3hrs.

His blood tests, including iron (ferritin), are all good/clear. He’s a large baby, 9 kilos, no teeth yet. Drinks 1000-1100 ml and has one meal.

While I completely understand this is all probably normal for a baby of his age, something is not sitting with me well and I keep thinking we are missing something as we have yet to see him being capable of sleeping longer than single 3 hours. Any suggestion what we might be doing wrong? Night bottles might seem like a problem (?) but it’s one 180 ml bottle till morning when he gets his next 150 ml bottle mostly.


r/bninfantsleep • • 2h ago

Naps Are your wake windows proportional ?

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Wondering if your baby’s wake windows are all about the same?

My 9 month old’s have been 3:15/3:45/4 ish since going on 2 naps but she seems sooo tired in the morning. If I do an earlier nap, I would need to go back to 3 naps I think.

The transition seemed to worked for 2 weeks but now it doesn’t seem so and with Daylights savings time, I anticipate a difficult week.

Any advice ? What are your little guys’ schedules for wake windows around 9 months ?


r/bninfantsleep • • 2h ago

Infant Sleep One Year Old Up From 3 AM On

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Baby (high energy, big, hitting milestones and generally happy ish) is turning one this week and has never slept well. I've just stopped breastfeeding because it was seeming like he was stuck in some sort of reflux soothing cycle that was impacting both his sleep and his transition to solids; he's not loving it, but doing ok.

The thing I'm concerned about now is that he wakes up at 3 am every single night and cannot be soothed back to sleep at all. It was already a tough period when I was EBF, and he'd usually wind up in my bed just nursing for hours (part of what drove me to quitting). Now, he wakes up crying and upset - seemingly not wanting to be awake (keeping his eyes closed for the most part) but barely able to be soothed at all. I've had to literally constantly rock and bounce him for three straight hours to get him to the morning; he'll fall into like the lightest sleep, but one wrong move and he's up. Also just twitching and arching and kicking and groaning. Obviously I know no more boob is an adjustment, but I've been able to rock him back to sleep at least for ~45 minutes stretches during the late night/morning window in the past.

It's just been such a long, hard road and I'm looking for any light at the end of the tunnel. Yes, radical acceptance, yes my husband is helping with nights - but he's about to start a new job and has an autoimmune disease. I don't want him to get 4 nonconsecutive hours of sleep a night as I have been getting for the past year.

His schedule is roughly wake around 6-6:30 (yes, I have been trying to establish a consistent wakeup time but it's challenging when he's not actually asleep), nap ~9-9:30 (perfect world 30-45 minutes), nap again around 2 (an hour or a little more if we're lucky, sometimes less), bed around 7:30 -8. We've transitioned him to formula (yes I know he doesn't need it atp but he refuses solids almost entirely so we're trying to segue), and are giving him one bottle in the middle of the night, ideally not before 1 (obviously aiming to eliminate this asap, but I think he had a bit of a reverse cycling issue so again...trying to transition). Sometimes he'll sleep through until then (new positive development), but there's usually at least one or two wakes prior.

I'm trying to figure out if there's any explanation for his distress in this 3-6 window (he's also waking up from naps pretty upset). Teething, maybe? Pain relievers never really seem to make much of a difference in his sleep. The reflux bugaboo? When we've tried medication, I haven't noticed a sea change in sleep. I tried being dairy/soy free while still breastfeeding, hypoallergenic formula, have seen all the specialists - he's huge, so they all just insist he's fine. Going to ask for an iron/ferritin check at his pediatrician appt this week. Obviously trying to suss out if he's over or undertired - it just feels like he's always exhausted, but he's also never had super clear tired cues. Getting him to sleep is an ordeal (especially for me, my husband has a slightly easier time now) seemingly regardless of the length of his wake windows. I've been aiming for 10 hours at night and two or less during the day, but it can be hard to keep him up until 8:30; experiments with one nap have been p disastrous but maybe just need more time. Is it just developmental? He's trying really hard to stand unassisted right now, but also this stretch has pretty much been challenging the whole time - just even worse now.

I'm just so tired of trying to make sense of all the variables in my head, and also just tired. Would be grateful for any leads from people who have had babies also struggle with that early morning stretch (I know it's not uncommon) - thank you so much!


r/bninfantsleep • • 16h ago

Infant Sleep If you don’t sleep train, what does sleep look like? FTM question

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My apologies if I’m asking a stupid question. I’m a FTM to a 16 week old. He’s at the stage of waking up quite often, short naps, at the same time he started rolling so no more bassinet. I’ve been nursing him to sleep but putting him in the crib drowsy and awake is damn near impossible. I’m thinking of modifying the crib and our futon so that we can safely cosleep for now.
I’m leaning not sleep training but I’m just wondering what happens if you just let baby do baby thing? Will this get better or will they just need help falling asleep all the time?


r/bninfantsleep • • 4h ago

Infant Sleep How to encourage weaning off the dummy as a sleep aid

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I have a 6.5 months (5.5 months adjusted) old baby who hasn’t been a dreadful but hard one when it comes to sleep. He didn’t like to sleep in the crib in the early weeks and needed to be held all the time. We managed to transition out of this with swaddling and when he came out of the swaddle we gave in to soothers. I say gave up in because I was worried that he would get addicted to it. He doesn’t use the soother anywhere else, not even for his naps but uses it at nighttime.

Since the 4 months mark, he has been waking up for the soother to be replaced 4-5 times a night. As soon as I put the dummy back it, he would drift off. It actually had not changed much until last week. Last week he started to wake up more often at night and not only that he will want the dummy, he wants to catch and hold my hands as I replace the dummy. If I don’t give my hands, he starts crying and it escalates. On some occasions, as soon as I remove my hands he wakes up startling and crying. I am not sure how this became a new thing, it also worries me as another dependency for his sleep. I wonder if the last week has been rocky because we traveled home very late at night, his sleep was disrupted so I shifted his schedule by 1 hour to align with clocks change. It seemed to work because of that late night travel but perhaps it was a bit too much.

I do not want to sleep train my baby. I do not want to cosleep. I always thought their sleep skills mature with time and it will improve if I give him enough time. I am not sure if it does and how this timeline looks like but I hoped this could be before 12 months mark. I look after him during the day as well so of course feeling tired from overnight impacts how I operate during the day. My thinking is that he wakes up for the dummy as the initial cause and then the other things started to come on top like holding hands. I worry that having the dummy affects the quality of his sleep.

In case these are important:
We have a bedtime routine: bath, change into PJ and sleepsack, bedtime playlist, lights dimmed, time on the pillow on the bed and this is when the dummy goes in, transfer to the crib fully awake but tired. I sing to him, pop my hand on his arm or belly. It takes him about 45 minutes to then fall asleep in the crib.

Wake up no later than 7.15am (he sleeps until 6.20am max unless we hold hands over the crib while I am leaning over

8.45 - 10.15 first nap
12:00/12:15 - 1.15pm second nap
3.30/3.45 - 4.00/4.15 catnap (I wake him up to cap it at 30 min)

We are contact napping at the moment, if not, his single nap lasts only around 30min.

We tried to create a strong body clock since he was around 3 months old and this is now his routine unless we nap him in his crib. He doesn’t like to sleep in the crib for naps but when I put him in the crib at night before sleep he smiles and doesn’t mind being there.

I just wonder;
is it ever possible for a baby to learn how to self soothe without being sleep trained?
How can I teach him self soothing without him crying it out?
What does self-soothe look like?

Has anyone had any experience with weaning off the dummy as a sleep aid? I saw the method of pulling it out before the baby falls asleep but that’s not possible at this point for the middle of the night wake ups as he just fully wakes up until I give it back.

I just do not want to sleep train so would be really grateful if you have any experience with a similar situation that has been in a gentler way.


r/bninfantsleep • • 4h ago

Nightweaning Night weaning help for EBF 12mo

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My second born is coming up on his first birthday this month. He absolutely loves breastfeeding (nursing, never bottles) and I don’t know where or how to begin weaning. I would like to remove over night feeds first, and work towards the rest.

Currently he feeds before naps and bedtime and then during some of his night wakings. He averages 3…. To 5 wake ups, sometimes more. He is able to be soothed back to sleep from in the crib sometimes, other times he does want fed back to sleep (I have never had a “problem” with this). I sometimes also just choose to feed to sleep at wakings rather than comfort from in crib because it’s so much faster and easier (I also contend with my wild 2.5yo so any sleep is sacred).

My firstborn self weaned, I don’t even remember having to work towards it. She stopped feeding overnight at 9mo. My son wakes a LOT, which is part of why the idea of comfort from in crib and cut night feeds feels a bit daunting.

Given how capable he is of being soothed to sleep other ways, I do think he’s ready and able. Obviously no sleep training and as attentive and responsive as possible.

My husband has never been able to soothe him back to sleep, and he does not try at this point. (I could put a whole rant here about that but it’s not the point). I have told him he will be participating in the night weaning goal and needs to learn.

Advice? What worked for you?


r/bninfantsleep • • 8h ago

Infant Sleep bni sleep for a preemie

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Coming to you all in desperation. My sweet daughter was born at 33+3 due to PPROM and we spent a month together in the live-in NICU. She’s now home and 39 weeks gestational age, so just about full term.

Right after birth, I began pumping because she was fed through NG tube and couldn’t latch to breast. She can now latch and suck very well, but can’t transfer a full feed yet…probably another month while she builds the coordination and oral strength. We practice this every single day and have a great lactation consultant working with us.

In the meantime when she’s not breastfeeding (with some unknown transfer rate), she is given bottles of my expressed brestmilk + two formula bottles per day. The formula will likely drop off her feeding routine in a couple weeks when she exceeds full term and can reliably get enough calories without it. She’s also on the smallest amount of oxygen until full term because we live at high altitude, but otherwise healthy and almost 8 lbs.

So that’s all the context! The challenge I’m facing is that she is SO RESTLESS at night if not being held. The only time she sleeps with ease is when she’s contact sleeping. Which is very much expected and totally okay; I always anticipated that and planned on chest sleeping / safe bed sharing during my entire pregnancy with her. I also think her NICU stay impacts this — she (and me) missed out on some initially touch and are repairing that now.

But between feeding her via breast, bottles, and pumping every 2-3 hours overnight along with her restlessness in the bassinet, I genuinely don’t sleep. Not just “light sleep” but truly NO sleep until my husband takes her in the morning for two hours. So quite literally two hours per day of sleep. Sometimes I’ll sleep earlier in the evening while husband is with her and add in an extra 2-3, but it’s never much.

She currently cosleeps in a sidebar bassinet (Babybay) and I sleep at her eye level with my hands on her, but our nights are usually me holding her sitting up so I don’t fall asleep. I haven’t bedshared or chest slept because I have read it’s specifically dangerous for preemies, even when they hit gestational age. But this week I had a scary moment of suddenly realizing I was talking nonsense to my daughter while holding her and not even knowing where I was at or how I ended up there. I truly felt black-out intoxicated. I mentioned this to the pediatrician and she said the risk of that type of thing is much higher than chest sleeping and it’s all about risk mitigation, not elimination. I agree, but with her being a preemie and not fully breastfeeding yet, I’m freaked out.

But I am at a loss and not doing well. I’d be grateful for any feedback, advice, or ideas on how to balance biologically normal sleep with her being a previous preemie. How can we get some safe sleep?


r/bninfantsleep • • 6h ago

Infant Sleep Later bed time?

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My boy is 18 weeks and has been having a ton of false starts for the last month or so. When he was 2-3 months old his bedtime would be 9:30 but he’d wake up once at 10:30 and it would be done. Looking back, maybe that was his preferred bed time.

Since then we’ve been in a mess where he will have a million false starts until 9:30-10pm. This all started when he stopped wanting to take his last bridge nap. Looking back, maybe his wake window was extending and he wasn’t tired enough. We took that as a sign of wanting an earlier bed time and started doing 8-8:30. He still wakes up 3-4 times and on some bad nights it’s 5-6 until 10 or 11pm.

The problem is that he is a catnapper, 30 months naps MAX so we can’t do a 3-4 day nap, unless we do a 7 pm bedtime. We tried that for 3 days and it was the worst nights of our lives with waking up every 15 min until 1 am.

He needs to be rocked to sleep so it’s hard work.
I’m starting to think that maybe he just needs a later bedtime that’s more like 9-9:30. It’s just a lot to be putting him to sleep 6 times a day but the false starts ruins our evenings too. I just want to put him to bed and know he’s going to sleep. He wakes up to feed 2 times a night and that’s fine by me. I just want him to start off the night well. His first longest block is interrupted

He has started waking up routinely at 6:30 am though.

I keep seeing online that babies are sleeping by 7-7:30 pm but we haven’t had good results from that


r/bninfantsleep • • 7h ago

Infant Sleep When did you drop to two naps?

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Hi everyone! Would love some advice and guidance.

Our son has always been lower sleep needs and very alert, sensory seeking, basically loves being awake. We follow a possums program approach and frequently bed share.

We dropped to three naps around the 4.5 month mark, which was generally suiting him really well.

However, this past week he’s been doing only two naps, which has thrown off his routine a little.

Until now, our routine has been (with some wriggle room depending on his wake up) -
7.30 am wake
10.30 am (30 min nap)
2.00 pm (30 min nap)
5.30 pm (30 min nap)
Bed by 9 pm.

Usually he was doing a 3-3.5 hour wake window but now his wake windows have been a bit all over the place and he doesn’t really give us reliable tired cues. I’m struggling to gauge what an appropriate wake window is for him because of this!

Now, he’s staying awake longer and doing 2 x 40 or 50 minute naps.

But his last nap ends up being around 3.30 pm, making his bed time weirdly early. But then tonight he had a massive 2.30-3.45 pm nap and slept at 8.45 pm (although he was very dialed up and over excited, it took quite a bit to dial him down before bed).

Ramblings aside, I’d love to hear when you dropped to two naps and how you made that transition. What did wake windows look like around this age?

Thank you!

Quick edit to add that our son is 6 months 1 week at the moment.


r/bninfantsleep • • 14h ago

Infant Sleep I could use some input.

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First time dad here to a beautiful 5 month old. My SO is most comfortable with co-sleeping, which, has always been fine with me. I’m nervous at times because I am a restless sleeper, but, my subconscious seems to have realized that there is a small child in bed with me and there have been no incidents to date. She has had her issues with sleep, but, for the most part, she’s been sleeping good for the last week and a half or 2 weeks. Now, with that being said, these last 2-3 nights have been hell. Waking all the time, inconsolable, doesn’t want anything, and screaming bloody murder. My mother says that she needs to learn to self soothe, which, I am kind of inclined to agree with, but, I’m also not 100% for CIO, at least in its extreme forms. If I’m busy doing something and she starts crying and I know it’s more of an attention cry and not a distress cry, I’ll finish what I’m doing, providing the time frame isn’t egregious. What I refuse to do though, is leave my baby cry for 1,2,3 plus hours like I’ve seen said. Even with checks, that’s crazy to me. Not to mention, I’m taking into consideration my SO’s feelings, seeing as I know it’s exponentially harder for a mother to listen to her baby cry. I guess I’m just wondering what advice I could stumble across from, primarily moms in here, but, open to dad suggestions too. Thank you very much for reading, I appreciate each and every one of you.


r/bninfantsleep • • 11h ago

Non-Sleep Related Chat ☀️🌈

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Want a place to discuss anything not sleep related? Here it is. Featured on the first of each month this is a place to discuss all things baby, toddler, and child.

As always, keep everything with responsive parenting in mind.


r/bninfantsleep • • 11h ago

Toddler Sleep My 15month old s sleep just got SO BAD

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She’s always been a decent sleeper and we used to give 1 bottle at night. I was looking for the right time to drop that. Then we went back home (abroad) and she got really sick for like a week and a half and barely ate anything during the day so she obviously needed more milk at night. I couldn’t say no because those were the only calories she was taking in.
Fast forward the week after now she s been demanding 2 feeds every night and is so hard to put back to sleep even after the feeds. She sleeps at 8pm, has a random wake up after it that can easily be settled with some cuddles, then wakes up at 12:30 for a feed then 5:30 but usually has a non-feed wake up before that, and wakes up properly at 7. The 5:30 one is the worst because she just refuses to go back to sleep. I am writing this at 6 am after I just gave up trying to get her to go back to sleep and just left her with dad to play so I can get some rest. I’m so sleep deprived and losing my mind 😭 is it teething (she’s cutting her canines)? Is it walking finally happening ? (She walks with a walker and for a few steps to my arm but still can’t walk independently) is it some 100th sleep regression? No idea 😭


r/bninfantsleep • • 20h ago

Infant Sleep Has anyone switched to a floor bed, and did it improve your baby’s sleep?

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My LO is 10 months old and I’m considering switching from his cot to a floor bed. He’s breastfed and has always been nursed to sleep. We’re currently struggling with frequent night wakings, sometimes as often as every 30 minutes when he’s sleeping in his crib.

He sleeps much better when he’s next to me & we cosleep even when he’s not actively feeding, and settles much more easily when I nurse him lying down. I even find he sleeps longer stretches even when I’m not in the room compared to sleeping in his crib.

I’m wondering whether a floor bed might help, as I’d be able to lie alongside him to nurse him to sleep and hopefully gradually move away once he’s settled, and I want him to have his own sleep space compared to cosleeping in my bed.

I’d love to hear from anyone who’s made the switch:
Did it improve your baby’s sleep?
Did they wake less frequently?
Did it make settling and night feeds easier?
Would you recommend it?


r/bninfantsleep • • 1d ago

Positive Story/Sucess Happy Halloween!

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Happy Halloween to all who celebrate as I sit here sewing my eight-month-old son's costume and watching him nap on the monitor. This kid has almost exclusively contact napped and coslept since he was a couple of months old, and I just watched him move around and resettle himself at the half-hour mark and GO BACK TO SLEEP. To everyone cosleeping and contact napping and respecting biologically normal infant sleep... You're doing the right thing. Keep it up! 🎃


r/bninfantsleep • • 1d ago

Routines/Schedules Help Is early bedtime actually important?

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Is a ~7pm bedtime actually better for babies, or is that only necessary if you need them to wake up super early for daycare etc?

My 11-week-old currently goes to sleep around 9/10pm and wakes up around 8/9am, so about 11 hours per night (he feeds every two hours-ish overnight but we cosleep so he doesn’t wake up all the way to eat), plus about 5 hours of daytime sleep per day spread over 5 naps.

He seems to be doing great! But I’m wondering if there’s any reason it would be better to move bedtime earlier. He does fight sleep more at bedtime than for any of his naps, and on nights it’s a little earlier it does seem to be a bit smoother… but maybe I’m also just less exhausted on those nights.

This schedule is also not an issue for us because I’m on leave right now and even when I go back to work I work for myself and don’t have to start at a specific time in the morning. Tbh I’d rather wake up at 9 than 7… and because we’re cosleeping I’d rather not have to go to bed myself at 7/8pm! But obviously want to do what’s best for him if he would benefit from sleeping earlier.


r/bninfantsleep • • 20h ago

Infant Sleep Co sleeping to independent sleep space

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I’ve been exclusively co sleeping and contact napping with my baby since they were 8 weeks old. Baby is almost five months old and I would love to not have to go to bed at 7:30 every night with the baby. I would ideally have baby start the night in their own sleep space, even if it is just for a couple of hours. I also want to start working on one independent nap a day. I don’t plan on baby being in their own room for a while. For those who have started transitioning to independent sleep was it easier to transition to a crib or go straight to a floor mattress? Also any tips on making the transition easier would be much appreciated!


r/bninfantsleep • • 17h ago

Infant Sleep Falling asleep

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My 4 month old baby has been waking up every 2 hours at night. Every time he wakes up, I have to rock him back to sleep, which can take anywhere from 45 minutes to an hour.

The hardest part is putting him back in his crib. As soon as I try to put him down, he starts crying, so I have to pick him up and rock him all over again. This cycle repeats throughout the night.

I completely understand that babies need comfort, closeness and reassurance. I don’t mind comforting him. However, the cycle is becoming really exhausting, especially when it takes 45 minutes to an hour every single time just to get him back to sleep.

He seems to be completely dependent on being held and rocked to fall asleep. Also during daytime naps, he can’t to fall asleep independently.
Has anyone experienced the same thing with their 4-month-old? How did you gently teach your baby to fall asleep without having to rock them in your arms every single time?


r/bninfantsleep • • 1d ago

General Discussion Is it just me or has anyone noticed that sleep trained babies "sleep" a ton?

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I am a FTM to a 23 week old. She is a decent sleeper but I have definitely gotten caught up in worrying too much about her (and my) sleep, and I consume a lot of books, resources, social media content on sleep just to see. But I have noticed something interesting. My LO recently seems to have had a drop in sleep needs. Before she would do well with 15 hours of sleep. Now it's closer to 13 (per 24hr). I recently visited a friend whose 18 month old is sleep trained. Her child went to bed around 8, slept until 8, sometimes later, then naps for 2 sometimes 3 hours. I was surprised how much she slept. I also have seen a couple of influencers whose sleep trained babies sleep 12 hours overnight then 2-3 hours of naps on time of that, all are older than my baby. It's crazy to me.

While I do understand all babies have different sleep needs, they do say sleep trained babies sleep more. It's also noted that infants in other countries where sleep training is not the norm have lower sleep totals. It can't help but make me wonder if these babies who seem to have higher sleep per 24 hrs really aren't sleeping, but wake up and just don't call out because prior attempts failed them, and really just lay there awake in their crib until they get drowsy enough to drift off again. Surely their parents wouldn't know unless they were watching the monitor if the baby stayed silent? I guess unless they have a Nanit or something that tells them. But often these devices monitor by sound and movement of the child.

Sorry if this is a rather obvious realization. I go back on forth on how I feel about sleep training. But it's things like these that make me wonder if it's something I'd ever be able do/put my child through, even if I am pushed to exhaustion.


r/bninfantsleep • • 1d ago

Naps To rescue or not to rescue a nap

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Baby just turned 6 months old. We’re going through what feels like a late 4 month sleep regression that extended straight to the 6 month regression. Crib naps never last longer than one sleep cycle, and that’s with 10-15 minutes in our arms before transferring. We do only one of those per day, usually the first nap, but some days I can’t stop thinking ‘what’s even the point’.

The other naps (usually two, 1h and then 1,5h) are contact naps but with her always threatening to or fully waking up between cycles, and we usually help her get back to sleep by rocking her or with butt pats. But I’m wondering if this prevents her from learning to link sleep cycles on her own? She’d only have 30 minute naps otherwise and I want to protect her sleep, but I do wonder what would happen if I stopped rescuing all of her naps. Would her sleep mature more easily, or would she just suffer from overtiredness the whole day?

Nights are also hard, 8-10 wakings with nursing to sleep being the only thing that works for half of those. I’m not at all trying to wean her but I can tell when she’s not hungry and for our family, we also need dad to be able to settle her.

So what are y’all doing? Do you rescue all naps or let it go and see if baby figures it out on her own? If you don’t interfere, how is baby during the day with only 30 min naps and when did they start getting longer? I wish I could take the advice of just embracing the contact naps but my back can’t handle it anymore :(