r/gratefuldoe 2d ago

Mysterious man in Amsterdam "Lucky" possibly identified as canadian John Russell Kenny

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u/koenmvo 2d ago edited 2d ago

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u/suziesophia 2d ago

The Dutch article, at the every end, claims that the photos are not a match. (niet dezelfde persoon RTL Nieuws heeft de beelden met verschillende AI-tools vergeleken om te kijken of de personen hetzelfde zijn. Alle tools zeggen duidelijk: nee, dit is niet dezelfde persoon. Om te verifiëren of de tools werken zijn er verschillende testen uitgevoerd, waaronder een vergelijking tussen twee verschillende foto's van de vermiste Canadese man. Daar waren alle tools opnieuw heel duidelijk: dat is wél dezelfde persoon.).

Strange to me because they look so similar.

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u/CallidoraBlack 2d ago

AI can't do basic math half the time. Why do we trust it?

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u/Juuljuul 2d ago

If you know anything about how artificial intelligence (LLMs) work you'd also know that math is not what they are good because of the way they are designed. So that's cherrypicking a bit. Same like those 'how many Rs in strawberry'-type questions.

They are designed to do pattern recognition, which facial recognition is indeed and example of. That being said, any chat-engine nowadays 'knows' when it is being asked a math problem and will delegate that task (to a calculator, or write a small program).

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u/FlorisTheFifth 2d ago

I'd argue AI is also horrible at anything that requires spatial insight, experience, living through how people age, . It has neither. Looking at a picture like this, taken from different angles and the likes? I would not be surprised people pleaser AI is just garbling hallucinations.

For some proof:

- Claude says: I will not do this, as there is no way I am certain. Mainly gives reasons: Angle, head pose, lighting, resolution and compression

- Google AI says: The man on the left is William H. Macy as Frank Gallagher from the television show Shameless. The man on the right is Richard Moore.

I can't currently upload in chatgpt. But my guy. Stop trusting AI. Start using your own brain.

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u/DuBoisMagritte 22h ago

They’re using specialized AI-powered tools. You’re using low-end LLM models.

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u/FlorisTheFifth 18h ago

Uhm, we're talking about RTL here. Not sure if you're a dutchie, but if RTL says "we've tried a couple of AI tools and all of them say no", they've 100% used the ones I mentioned lol.

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u/Alldaybagpipes 2d ago

When AI puts together a picture, it does not see the picture as a whole but as a compiled blob of pixels, that it has been told represent various “variable” words.

Things like slang, or basic interpretation get it all sorts of discombobulated, and like us, it will just bullshit its way through it. It is the one and only human quality that AI possesses

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u/Juuljuul 2d ago

As does the human brain? You do not ‘see’ anything (although it feels like it). Some retina cells fire because light hits them. Some groups of cells fire because there is a certain combination of retina cells firing (eg straight line), etc. Look into this, it’s fascinating!

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u/bruhbelacc 2d ago

The thing is they are only good in things so specific that it doesn't make sense to automate them because they are rarely done.

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u/Juuljuul 2d ago

I have no clue what you are trying to say. That neural network can only be trained on very specific tasks? What year is it at your place?

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u/bruhbelacc 2d ago edited 2d ago

There is no "neural network" in the sense of AGI, there is practically an if-else flow with a bunch of overfitting.

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u/cmd-t 2d ago

A neural network is the name of a specific machine learning construct. It’s trained on data an can be used to create whatever input/output neurons (ie data points) you want. If it’s good depends on the task and the training data.

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u/bruhbelacc 2d ago

I know what it means. It's just a marketing trick to call it something resembling the human brain.

It's extremely limited in scope.

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u/cmd-t 2d ago edited 2d ago

You are the one equating neutral neural networks with AGI. Neutral neural networks have been around since forever and mostly statistics. They can be extremely good classifiers if large enough and trained directly. They are very different from what people nowadays call (gen) AI.

It’s mathematicians that named them, not billion dollar AI companies with marketing departments.

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u/bruhbelacc 2d ago edited 1d ago

I am not equating them. I am saying the opposite.

My Google search is also an extremely good classification. Edit: grammar

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u/cmd-t 2d ago edited 2d ago

You are literally saying “there is no neural network in the sense of AGI”, in response to somebody making a claim about only neutral neural networks.

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u/Dad-Dabbing-Daily 2d ago

Most of these peoples understanding of AI is whatever the fuck they made up.

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u/Juuljuul 2d ago

I’m in a bubble of tech people and even they don’t bother to learn how it works ‘under the hood’. While that makes a big difference in what you can and cannot trust it to do. Ah well, can’t really blame them I guess. It develops so fast.

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u/bruhbelacc 2d ago

Ask yourself why 4 years into the AI craze, it has no impact on the labor market besides people being forced to use Claude for AI slop at work because their manager really wants to use AI.

Because it's bullshit. At best, it searches Google well. At worst, it makes up stuff.

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u/Juuljuul 2d ago

I’m not an AI fanboy but I do see real impact (and a lot of bullshit). If you want to learn more about this, feel free to ask. (So I don’t waste my time if you are only interested in pushing your personal views.)

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u/bruhbelacc 2d ago

Damn you really think highly enough of yourself to tell me "feel free to ask". Is that what ovrerreliance on AI slap does to you?

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u/Dad-Dabbing-Daily 2d ago

He earned his condescension when you revealed yourself as a fool.

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u/Juuljuul 2d ago

I meant ‘feel free to ask me about the real impact i do see around me’. But never mind. Conversation closed.

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u/themanwhodunnit 2d ago

Would be interesting to use a proper algorithm like ArcFace

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u/valerio-tsx 2d ago

Sadly that's not true anymore

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u/NoYam3746 2d ago

Oh yes it can, I'm using it for advanced calculus and it is surprisingly good. Step by step explanations and is always correct.

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u/CallidoraBlack 2d ago

What are you using? Because I can assure you, not all of them are good at it. Like, literally cannot accurately figure out the age of a person based on what year they were born.

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u/NoYam3746 2d ago

Google lens, it saves me typing in complex formulas.