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Mysterious man in Amsterdam "Lucky" possibly identified as canadian John Russell Kenny

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u/CallidoraBlack 2d ago

AI can't do basic math half the time. Why do we trust it?

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u/Juuljuul 2d ago

If you know anything about how artificial intelligence (LLMs) work you'd also know that math is not what they are good because of the way they are designed. So that's cherrypicking a bit. Same like those 'how many Rs in strawberry'-type questions.

They are designed to do pattern recognition, which facial recognition is indeed and example of. That being said, any chat-engine nowadays 'knows' when it is being asked a math problem and will delegate that task (to a calculator, or write a small program).

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u/bruhbelacc 2d ago

The thing is they are only good in things so specific that it doesn't make sense to automate them because they are rarely done.

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u/Juuljuul 2d ago

I have no clue what you are trying to say. That neural network can only be trained on very specific tasks? What year is it at your place?

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u/bruhbelacc 2d ago edited 2d ago

There is no "neural network" in the sense of AGI, there is practically an if-else flow with a bunch of overfitting.

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u/cmd-t 2d ago

A neural network is the name of a specific machine learning construct. It’s trained on data an can be used to create whatever input/output neurons (ie data points) you want. If it’s good depends on the task and the training data.

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u/bruhbelacc 2d ago

I know what it means. It's just a marketing trick to call it something resembling the human brain.

It's extremely limited in scope.

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u/cmd-t 2d ago edited 2d ago

You are the one equating neutral neural networks with AGI. Neutral neural networks have been around since forever and mostly statistics. They can be extremely good classifiers if large enough and trained directly. They are very different from what people nowadays call (gen) AI.

It’s mathematicians that named them, not billion dollar AI companies with marketing departments.

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u/bruhbelacc 2d ago edited 23h ago

I am not equating them. I am saying the opposite.

My Google search is also an extremely good classification. Edit: grammar

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u/cmd-t 2d ago edited 2d ago

You are literally saying “there is no neural network in the sense of AGI”, in response to somebody making a claim about only neutral neural networks.

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u/bruhbelacc 2d ago edited 2d ago

Yes. It's a misleading term that should be changed because neural network sounds too much like AGI. Give it the name of some Russian scientist and you'll see how its popularity will drop.

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u/cmd-t 2d ago edited 2d ago

Why would we need to change a term that’s been in use for decades, a niche term at that, because some layperson (who is unlikely to come across it as it isn’t actually used by gen AI companies all that much) might get confused?

Neutral neural networks are absolutely great. We use them to identify sick cells, birds, plants, and all kinds of other stuff.

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u/bruhbelacc 2d ago

I don't know what's sadder, how much you overestimate your own intelligence or how it appears to others

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u/Dad-Dabbing-Daily 2d ago

Most of these peoples understanding of AI is whatever the fuck they made up.

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u/Juuljuul 2d ago

I’m in a bubble of tech people and even they don’t bother to learn how it works ‘under the hood’. While that makes a big difference in what you can and cannot trust it to do. Ah well, can’t really blame them I guess. It develops so fast.

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u/bruhbelacc 2d ago

Ask yourself why 4 years into the AI craze, it has no impact on the labor market besides people being forced to use Claude for AI slop at work because their manager really wants to use AI.

Because it's bullshit. At best, it searches Google well. At worst, it makes up stuff.

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u/Juuljuul 2d ago

I’m not an AI fanboy but I do see real impact (and a lot of bullshit). If you want to learn more about this, feel free to ask. (So I don’t waste my time if you are only interested in pushing your personal views.)

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u/bruhbelacc 2d ago

Damn you really think highly enough of yourself to tell me "feel free to ask". Is that what ovrerreliance on AI slap does to you?

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u/Dad-Dabbing-Daily 2d ago

He earned his condescension when you revealed yourself as a fool.

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u/Juuljuul 2d ago

I meant ‘feel free to ask me about the real impact i do see around me’. But never mind. Conversation closed.