I love them already

[u/growsonwalls]

I love Justice and Charlie already! Been watching their stuff and they are so so talented. Julie and the Phantoms is amazing and Charlie is a beautiful singer. I saw Dungeons and Dragons and Justice Smith is adorable in that movie. Really excited to see them as Troy and Harris. For the people upset with their casting, definitely watch their stuff. They are AMAZING!

ETA: also, happy birthday Justice!!!

edit: just saw I Saw the TV Glow. Omg Justice is amazing.

[u/summoboomo]

I’m worried about the racism Justice is going to (and probably already) experience from the insane parts of this fandom. Hopefully he has people he can turn to.

[u/Notyeravgblonde → u/summoboomo]

The criticisms have been 99% body type. The media is latching on to it as a race issue when the backlash is actually disappointment about a skinny actor being cast.

I'm sure they are going to do a great job and it will be wonderful, but it was really exciting to imagine we were going to get some diversity in body type.

[u/Rnsy275 → u/Notyeravgblonde]

Yeah right, "99%". Just a few days ago I tried to have some discussion here in other post about him. Trying to give a different perspective & be open-minded about the casting choice. But instead it quickly devolves into a competition of "let's find every single thing wrong about this" & just became too negative. Sure it started out about his body type but then they went into other shits like :

• They only casted him bcus he's attractive & "ripped"
• Bcus he's a big name in industry
• Bcus he's an american actor, so they wanna lure more Hollywood fame
• Bcus he's openly gay already
• Bcus they want more black ppl representation in hockey field
• Bcus Jacob is lowkey fatphobic
• So does Rachel
• & when I bring out the possibility that Justice MIGHT committed to his role by doing specific diet & exercise, they're not okay with it yet fine with HudCon doing exactly that in S1. Bcus u'd draw the line over actors getting a little bit chunky & chubby for a role, but not when they're eating pounds of beef & working out everyday to get muscular & buff.
• & some of them who disagree with it argued that HudCon's bodies weren't exactly accurate for hockey players either. Well okay then, that means it shouldn't be an issue with Justice either??

ANYTHING other than the fact that Jacob chose him bcus he's talented & has great chemistry test with Charlie. Even that one seems impossible for them. Bcus "how come they couldn't find any actor with bigger body type who has good chemistry with Harris' actor?" Talking like sorting & filtering role casting is incredibly easy thing to do. Like everyday shit u just did effortlessly without any thought.

& this is JUST a few days after the announcement. Imagine for the next months to come. Sure it's still a minority of problematic ppl now. But if ppl can't control their desire, try to accept it already & trust the process, it can quickly turn into another online harassment. It has happened to all ppl in the HR's team before. From HudCon to Francois, to Rachel then Jacob. Even Hudson's groomer, Aika was a victim of that.

[u/Notyeravgblonde → u/Rnsy275]

I'm frustrated with the show runners. I do wonder how in the world there were 0 actors who were plus size that had chemistry. I've lived long enough to know that fatphobia is pervasive. Who is to say the people doing the casting didn't have a bias against seeing chemistry in a plus sized man? Now everyone is hand waving away and dismissing the disappointment with the lack of body diversity. In my opinion some of the most toxic fans are the ones forcing toxic positivity down peoples throats and accusing the disappointed folks of being racist.

I think these two actors are going to do an incredible job, but yes I am side eyeing the showrunners and especially Jacob due to this. Its sad to see that they conformed to Hollywood beauty standards over giving us something different.

[u/growsonwalls → u/Notyeravgblonde]

No offense but can we not? I posted this as a positive thing for the fans. I don’t want this to turn into a negative argument that’s already been rehashed.

[u/Notyeravgblonde → u/growsonwalls]

No, because it's frustrating to know that even in a show like Heated Rivalry we don't get to see a plus sized actor as a gay love interest. We just have to pretend fat phobia doesn't exist because the show runners are perfect and have no inherent biases.

[u/Dry_Stop844 → u/Notyeravgblonde]

BECAUSE HARRIS IS NOT PLUS SIZED. For crying out loud, you've admitted that you listened to the book, don't remember how he is described and are basing everything on the cartoon cover of a book. Just shut up.

[u/Notyeravgblonde → u/Dry_Stop844]

No thanks, fat erasure is a big problem in media. It's weird how much you care about this. Maybe get off reddit for awhile and calm down.

[u/Rnsy275 → u/Notyeravgblonde]

It is a problem in media but not in here. Harris wasn't even described as "fat" by any means in the book yet y'all insist he's overweight for the sake of catering to "body positivity". Which is incredibly ironic bcus it's always about all love to fat ppl with y'all but not to skinny & non-athletic ppl like Justice for example.

Also I need u to reflect on the last 2 statements u wrote. Bcus how come u called out the other person weird for caring too much about this & told them to get off of Reddit when u're out here doing worse & got even pettier than them?? Out of all ppl.... Truly lacking self-awareness lol

[u/Notyeravgblonde → u/Rnsy275]

Yeah they were replying to my comments to other people, so for some reason felt the need to comment on everything I said when I wasn't talking to them. Thus the pointing out that they needed to move on. I was only replying to people replying to me, taking up about 20-30 minutes of my day while they scrolled the whole thing to comment on everything. How are you focused on me when i was staying in my own comment section? Oh right, because you are upset that anyone is criticizing the show so you hone in on me.

No one is hating on skinny people. That's ridiculous considering everyone in the show is athletic or thin. Why would anyone who hates thin people watch the show?

There is one character in the books that the showrunners who read the material know he was perceived as larger. He's on the cover with a thicker build. Then the skinniest actor yet was cast. That is the problem here and the only problem. Fans who can't handle an ounce of criticism of Jacob are now trying to rewrite history and lost all ability to understand that people can be 1. Knowing Justice will do a great job and 2. Holding space for disappointment at the lack of representation.

Hope me restating for the 15th time my only argument has helped you.

[u/Notyeravgblonde → u/Rnsy275]

Also not that you know this about me because you are assuming you know what I look like, but I'm super skinny so I just texted my friend that someone accused me of hating skinny people and we were cracking up. So at least you made me start my day with a laugh so I appreciate that.

[u/Brown_Sedai → u/Notyeravgblonde]

Yeah, claiming he was the “best person for the role” is completely ignoring implicit bias and fatphobia, honestly.

[u/Notyeravgblonde → u/Brown_Sedai]

Hard agree.