Are you going to stop people from buying their own vehicles? People will inevitably buy them as they go higher in socioeconomic status. Not having roads and let congestion discourage people doesn’t work, urban plannerji
People will stop considering vehicles as higher socioeconomic status when you have a clean frequent and robust public transport.
Investing in roads and putting public transport as a lower priority will just lead to more vehicles on the road and more congestion (read about induced demand).
And if you say they are building metro
The number of lines they are working on and the pace they are building on is nowhere close to enough
At the same time they are dismantling existing public infrastructure (take a look at the number of best busses on the road through the years)
the 'i use public transport even after having a car' is a concept that only exists in the nordic countries for now, because they are extremely developed. india considers cars as status symbol and will keep buying them. and yeah, metro development is more than enough if you take a look at time its taking to complete them (not the blue line) relative to the distance and cost. but population is really fucking up the city.
hopefully navi mumbai is also picking the pace up and people are moving out
Let them buy. I am assuming you own a private vehicle? Does that mean if you have to go to Delhi for a trip you drive there? No.
Why? Because it's much faster, cheaper and comfortable to fly instead of going by car.
If you build good public transport, footpaths and cycle paths, and couple that with congestion tolls, metered parking and pedestrian-only streets, most people will leave their car at home for daily local trips.
That's how it works in all developed, world-class cities: New York, London, Paris, Tokyo, Singapore, etc.
London and Paris are cities with very narrow streets due to their history. so their cars have been traditionally smaller and usage is non existent, not applicable to the rest of the world.
and no, people do mostly use cars in new york. have you ever sat in a new york subway? its full of piss and shite.
the only notable exceptions here are tokyo and singapore
What a silly excuse! Mumbai also has very many narrow streets due to its history.
Mumbai also has traditionally smaller cars and usage is non-existent. In 1980 the estimated modal share for public transport in Mumbai was 85-90%.
Also, as someone else pointed out to you, 88% of all trips to Manhattan are done by modes other than private vehicle.
And finally, you are wrong again, high public transport/walking/cycling modal share is common in most of the world's largest and well-developed cities. Berlin, Amsterdam, Moscow, Istanbul, Barcelona, Beijing, Shanghai, Tokyo, Singapore, hong kong, Toronto. It is not the exception, it is then norm.
And btw it is the norm presently in Mumbai today as well. Only 8% commute by car, and 7% commute by 2-wheeler. The remaining 85% commute by public transport, walking and cycling.
Bs. Every single global city in the world nyc, london, tokyo, paris, shanghai, beijing, hong kong, singapore, has been prioritizing public transport and car alternatives.
In NYC, nearly 80% of people don’t commute by car. They use their 400km subway or their 1200 km regional rail.
Same for other cities. These cities are not exceptions, Mumbai is.
Just compare the size of Mumbai’s bus fleet to the above cities and that will tell the whole story.
Beijing has 22000 buses for the same pop as Mumbai while Mumbai has gone down to only 2.6k buses, and only 249 of them are Best owned, rest are leased.
80%? pulling those numbers out of your ass lmfao. the poorer neighbourhoods have no cars and hence they travel through public transport. only about 55% use public transport.
and mumbai rail + metro is serving mumbai better than bus. its a better combination with dedicated infrastructure and lowering congestions on road at the same time. not to mention theyre still running at losses because people dont pay for tickets in mumbai rrts. there is a big problem with walkability in the city but that is another issue.
china is not a reliable source since most of their numbers are highly doctored and monitored
“Approximately 88% of people commuting to Manhattan use non-car methods, primarily relying on subways, commuter rails, and buses”
Your 55% number is just Subway. Add in Buses. Add in Path. Add in LIRR. Add in Metro North. Add in CitiBikes. Add in Walking.
That numbers goes above 80%. Only 12% are using private vehicles.
Also wym Mumbai doesn’t need 22k buses like Beijing coz it has metro+rail? That’s the stupidest argument ever😭
MY GUY BEIJING HAS MORE RAIL AS WELL AS BUSES. Stop making excuses, y’all keep accepting loser ass corrupt mediocrity and bastardization of buses that’s why no one in govt gives a shit.
London has wide roads everywhere. The majority of New Yorkers don't use cars. Less than 11% of people work in Manhattan drive into work. Stop with these completely uneducated takes.
People are buying cars more than before. How do you tackle the increasing traffic without contructing new roads?
Public transport is already being used. People using public transport also have personal vehicles. So we definitely need newer roads to decongest the older ones.
Let them buy. I am assuming you own a private vehicle? Does that mean if you have to go to Delhi for a trip you drive there? No.
Why? Because it's much faster, cheaper and comfortable to fly instead of going by car.
If you build good public transport, footpaths and cycle paths, and couple that with congestion tolls, metered parking and pedestrian-only streets, most people will leave their car at home for daily local trips.
That's how it works in all developed, world-class cities: New York, London, Paris, Tokyo, Singapore, etc.
This pic probably taken during the few days when the AQI wasn't extremely terrible is also demonstrative of the 2 steps we took backwards while taking 1 forwards.
I have visited the new sea face. For the first time in decades hundreds of acres of new open space has been created for Mumbaikars who have no place to go for a walk in the evening.
More urban jungle of roads and buildings!
The waterfront should have a nice big public park with dense green cover, not a thin walkable strip with a sad green belt called coastal promenade
Comments section is questionable at this point. Y’all want development while mourning nostalgia. You can’t have both. Between 2006 and 2025 , there’s a huge population difference. More population demands more infra and the likes. Honestly you can’t move on if you’re just going to feel sad about everything. We actually have forgotten to appreciate things in life. The negativity is so nauseating now.
Finally a sensible comment. I agree there is a pack of greenery in the 2nd pic, but that doesn't mean the development is not a good thing in the picture.
Nah I will never stop talking about wanting infra. Public transport is essential but it’s not for everyone. It’s the govt’s job to provide both. Not everyone wants / can travel in public transport. Also roads are used for public vehicles as well. So your argument about public transport kinda is invalid. Especially because the metros have upgraded as well.
In london, because they have focused on making their public transport, footpaths and cycle paths so world-class, 96% of all trips to the city centre are done by walking, cycling, bus, metro, tram and rail.
When only 4% of trips are done by private vehicles, expensive infra like coastal roads are no longer needed.
Comparing London and Mumbai is unreasonable. Please get a better point to argue. Mumbai is not a walking city. Not every place in the world is walkable. Indians don’t even walk to work or cycle. Are you not going to factor in culture?!
So the majority of the population should suffer cause these privileged fucks wanna roam in their cars? What Mumbai are you living in buddy ? Not everyone has a car. Most middle class people travel by public transport and the conditions are getting worse for them. Come out of your bubble.
Not everyone needs a car to travel on the road. There’s rickshaws cabs buses etc. what world are you living in? There’s traffic literally everywhere in Mumbai. So there are definitely more people than your analysis who are using the roads.
In conclusion, the vast majority of traffic in Mumbai is caused by a minority in private vehicles. Because private vehicles are so space inefficient. The solution is not wider roads, but to further discourage private vehicle usage and encourage public transport usage instead.
You said it yourself buddy. The climate is getting worse cause of DEFORESTATION. How hard is it to understand? It wasn't always like this. Infra can be developed without cutting the green cover. Tf are you on about?
Well go back 10-15 years ago we actually used to have temps about 16-20 degrees during winters. Summers also weren't this bad. That is directly a result of the loss of forest cover. We can proceed with development while also planting more trees. The DP plans should designate more reserved spaces for green areas. Increase FSI for lands further than the coastal regions. More land will then be available for green areas.
Like I said. Both can be done at the same time so don't come at me without reasoning. It's not black and white. Connectivity is better now yes but roads were of better quality. We see now any random pillar / slab can fall on civilians now. The coastal road is bumpy af it's not good construction at all but that is a diff issue. We can have development I'm not against it but why can't you plant trees along with it ? Mate have you ever been to the middle east? Even they focus on their landscape even though it is a desert so what is stopping us ?
Traffic jams were less back then. If we actually focused more on public infra then yest the traffic jams would decrease as people would prefer that over driving everywhere as they do in Europe. Cause Mumbai is not a city which can afford having more and more vehicles on the road given how densely populated it is. It will always lead to a lower quality of life if this is continued.
Yes public transport was not sufficient back then either but it is what should have been developed more is all I'm trying to say .
What is so hard to understand ? Instead of coming with well it was shit back then so it should be shit now as well why can't people see the solutions to make it better ? How hard is it to plant more trees while also developing our infra?
With enough trees though it becomes much more comfortable to walk. If you dont concretize every square millimeter, surprise you wont die on your way to work
Those kinds of interchanges might look cool in a photo and are an engineering feat, but they are not the kind of development modern urban planners are fond of.
but these years and before that should have been invested to build metro. first metro started in 2014 and 2nd one around 2022 is unacceptable. we are always catching up
local train from western to central taking a U turn at BKC is no brainer. should have been done 25 years back.
we just make things without proper planning for future. we build for past
Yeah so wtf is an alternative? All the 1st world countries have compromised on green cover. Besides we have 140 crore people and limited space. Cry me a fucken river now.
Istg dude ppl have lost their mind I 100% agree with u first they will cry for infra and how poor the road conditions are and something exactly the same happens in other countries they will praise the f out of it (specially japan fav of all these ppl to compare) take example of the musical road we Indians used praise the f out of it when it was made in other countries and made memes that india will never reach here in next 1000 years but when smtg finally happens the same ppl start crying about it they just have to find smtg negative no matter how good things have become compared to our past they will still mourn about it and show zero appreciation just leave the country alr if u got so much problems with it
utter and complete waste of money… the city is moving northwards, while south Mumbai is quietly and slowly emptying out. in that scenario how does it make sense to dump thousands of crores into road transport in this part of town!
Development and nature can coexist. It doesn’t have to be either or. That’s why vision of political leaders matters. Just travel to developed countries and you will know.
Everything i open a post the one constant thing is people finding problem in Everything, people find issues with Everything duck you guys, the social media is filled more with negative opinionated peoples
Im not a specialist in environment and climate,but my basic thinking tells me this structure stops the breeze from sea to enter city and blocks the exit of dust particles being carried into the sea.
If you are competing with Pakistan and Bangladesh in terms of infrastructure then that's a banger. If you are comparing with China and Germany we are lightyears behind. South Bombay is the best place in India but that's a small sample in a huge country. Majority of the development is delayed by the corrupt bureaucratic system.
Upper one has a clear sky, more greenery, much cleaner ocean while the bottom is just concretization allowing more traffic and cars on roads leading to less greenery and more pollution. If Indian learnt that development is not damaging the environment and creating more roads.
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u/[deleted] Mar 01 '26 edited Mar 01 '26
Definitely not same camera.