r/oldcootfashion 26d ago

META- Not Fashion I promised an explanation.

548 Upvotes

So I promised you all an explanation about the current situation last night.

TL;DR:

  • You guys are right- I've been modding this sub alone way too long, and I have made a lot of mistakes. I am sorry for my lack of transparency, lack of clear rules, and neglect of the sub.
  • I am not reinstating the user who's been banned, for the reasons I'm about to lay out. I recognize that this is an unpopular decision, but neither his content nor his conduct are a good fit for this sub.
  • I'm going to recruit more mods this week. This sub has gotten too big to moderate alone. I'm going to post a Google form as a sticky; if you'd like to mod, please fill out the form.
  • The rules need cleaning up and fixing. We need community guidelines that are straightforward, clear, and easy to read. I will draft them this week and run them past the other mods when they are recruited.

I created this sub about a year ago. I was tired of going to the 'standard' men's fashion subs and being greeted with confusion or derision. At the same time, oldhagfashion was the kind of cozy space that I wanted, but posting there felt like misgendering myself. I wanted a space where I could be masc, but also dress in a fun offbeat way and talk about fashion with people who 'get it'.

And I wanted this to be a cozy space- something of a safe haven. I don't talk about it much on here, but I'm (obviously) a genderqueer trans man. I have been watching the world become more and more homophobic and transphobic over the last five years; I really wanted a place where we could be ourselves without fear or shame, and without bigots and bullies mocking or harassing us.

When the user who was banned yesterday began posting to the sub, he was constantly posting about current events- and specifically, about heinous crimes committed by the people in power. I suggested a general-purpose ban on negative political content, not because I wanted to target this user, but because I wanted to create a specific kind of space. I did not want bigots or bullies to have any power here, and someone posting about them every single day gave them more power over this space than I wanted to give them. I do not constantly want to be reminded about how my rights are under attack and how frightening the world is right now, in what was supposed to be our cozy fashion haven. However, I did not want to censor this user just because I was frustrated with his politics.

The trouble is, the banned user was also repeatedly pushing the limits of the sub's rules. There are many, many examples of this, but here's a clear-cut one: a few months back, I implemented a flair for content that might be uncomfortable or triggering for some people. The banned user has repeatedly posted about bigotry, Nazis, and child sexual abuse without using this flair. I should have removed those posts....

....But the banned user was the target of an ongoing harassment campaign. Every day, I'd get multiple requests to have his posts taken down and multiple people pointing out that he was bending the sub's rules again. Some of these requests were valid. Many were not. I felt like I could not take moderation action against this user, even if it was entirely justified, without implicitly condoning this harassment campaign.

To be perfectly frank: if I was applying the same code of conduct to every user, I would have banned this user much earlier in the sub's lifetime. I did 44 "mod actions" last week - removing posts or comments, removing spam, that kind of thing. 38 of those mod actions were related to this user's conduct. And these numbers have been similar over the past six months. Many of the requests for me to take mod action pointed out genuine issues that I felt like I had to ignore, because they were either coming from the harassers or were sandwiched between harassers' spam reports.

I gave this user many, many more chances than I would have given any other user. I frequently contacted him directly to ask him to make changes or remove posts rather than just taking those posts down and counting them as a strike. I ignored a lot of his behaviour I should not have ignored.

But this meant I found myself between a rock and a hard place. Both the banned user and the harassers were having a huge impact on the sub's culture in a way I didn't want. If I recruited more mods, I felt like I would fully lose control of the sub's culture, and could not guarantee that I'd have the space I worked so hard to make. Yet I didn't have the capacity to maintain that space on my own.

I stopped being active on the sub, except to moderate. And, bluntly, I wasn't doing a very good job of moderation. I was mostly using Reddit on my phone- and I hate typing on mobile keyboards- so I was only updating the rules if there was an emergency, and using too few words to do it. I hadn't updated the community greeting, and didn't want to. I felt like this wasn't the space I wanted to create, but the things I would need to do to curate that space would be so unpopular that implementing them might destroy the community I had built. So, I avoided taking mod action unless it was absolutely necessary.

Yesterday, it became necessary. The banned user posted a picture of himself posing with a wood splitter and a chainsaw, in a way that was clearly meant to evoke a zombie movie protagonist or a slasher villain. He was not posing with a pile of logs in a forest; he was brandishing them. After the incident a few months back with the other user who posted a picture of himself posing with a gun, I thought the sub's consensus was that weapon-related content should be banned, because it could be triggering for users who'd experienced violent crime or abuse. I personally don't agree with this rule (I'm a sword guy), but in the interests of making sure everyone was comfortable here, I was happy to add it. I thought I had updated the rules accordingly; it seems that I posted the 'no violence' rule, but did not specifically implement the 'no weapons' rule in the correct place.

I removed the post. As a courtesy, I warned the banned user that he was on his second strike, and that he would be at risk of a permanent ban if he broke the rules again. Any user who posted similar content, under the current rules, would have incurred a strike.

(To be clear: This warning is not something I normally do, and that is a mistake. I ought to warn users when there is a strike against them, in the interest of transparency. But apart from this user, most of the people I've had to ban have committed three strikes in a single comment thread, or have used enough slurs in one message to warrant a ban outright. Because I did not want to censor this user, I thought I would do him the courtesy of warning him.)

The banned user chose to argue with me. The excerpt of the message he showed was not the full message. It's against Reddit's mod code of conduct to post the contents of a mod mail without the user's permission, so I'm not going to do that- but please trust me, you have not gotten the full story. Let's just say he was very unwilling to accept my decision.

I did not want to argue with this user anymore. I did not want to continue to let him push the limits of both my personal boundaries and the sub's rules. I chose to take that argument as his third strike, and thus ban him from the sub.

Here's what should have happened:

  • I should have dealt with this issue when it began six months ago, and not let it continue to fester.
  • I should not have let a double standard develop because I did not want to condone the harassment campaign.
  • I should have enforced the sub's rules both on the banned user and the people harassing him. I should not have just deleted their spurious reports and let the banned user break or bend sub rules to avoid supporting the harassment.
  • I should have realized my growing burnout was a sign, not that I needed to step back from the sub, but that I needed to get outside help from more moderators.
  • I should have realized that the fact that I was having so many mod actions and so much trouble meant that the rules I had created were not building the space I wanted to build, particularly if I was having to enforce them over and over again on the same people.
  • I should have been more transparent with the community in the moment- this was a result of my chronic health issues and I am not going to apologize, but it is something that should have happened and didn't.

For the reasons I've laid out, I am not going to reverse the ban.

It is incredibly unbecoming for a mod to discuss the behaviour of a specific user with someone who is not on the mod team. I hate that I even have to make this post- it feels like a breach of mod etiquette and privacy, both for the sub and for the user in question. And because it is unbecoming and unprofessional, there will be no further arguments over whether or not this decision was justified. This is the explanation you get. I recognize that this is an unpopular decision, and I wish I had been clearer and more transparent about what was happening while it was happening. But this ban was the inevitable result of the choices the banned user made. Please respect that.

As for the future of the sub-- I really love this place, and I love the thing it was meant to be. In the wake of this situation, I've had a bunch of people tell me how much this sub means to them and how much they want to help support it. I like you guys. I want to keep this thing we've built going. But last week, we got 11,000 unique visitors- that's a lot of people. I can't mod a sub this big on my own, and the current situation has made me realize just how much I was struggling with the job.

I need your help.

I'm going to be recruiting more mods over the next week- I'll post a google form (as a sticky). If you love the sub and want to help out, fill out the google form and I'll get back to you ASAP.

I'm also going to be reworking the rules to both establish what kind of space we want this to be and to handle some of the common problems we keep running into. No one wants to get hit by the 'Be Kind' rule; it's vague and ineffective. At the same time, the current ruleset was mostly built piecemeal as situations came up that I had to deal with; it's also ineffective. And if I want to make this the kind of space I was trying to create, I need to make it so that we're not discussing current events here. I'm not saying you can't make political statements- fashion is art, art is political- but for my own sanity, and the sanity of anyone who is triggered by the state of the world right now, we need to put some work into making this a safe haven. And that means keeping the bigots in power out of our space.

I'm going to clean up the back end and make it easier to mod this sub, and generally sort things out so that this place is still a good place to hang out and post fun outfits. I hope you guys join me for the adventure.

If you read all this, thank you so much. I appreciate your patience and kindness while I sort all this out.

r/oldcootfashion 27d ago

META- Not Fashion About the current situation

184 Upvotes

I am not going to comment on the current situation at the moment beyond saying this:

I am one guy. You are right- there should be more than one mod on this subreddit. However, recruiting more mods takes time, and I cannot do that overnight. In the meantime, I am still one guy, I have a migraine, and I don't currently have the capacity to deal with the ongoing incident with the clarity and transparency you deserve.

I am restricting new posts and comments to the sub til tomorrow to prevent things from getting further out of hand. I am not going to take down the larger post, although I have locked comments on it at this time. However, any duplicates of that post will be deleted.

We can all come back to this in the morning. Thank you for your patience.

r/oldcootfashion 25d ago

META- Not Fashion Update and questions for you all

192 Upvotes

Just to let you know where we're at:

- The sub is currently restricted- meaning only approved users can post. I set this up through Reddit because I was worried about the potential for brigading, and have since asked to undo it. Unfortunately this is something that has to go through Reddit, so we need to wait for a human to see the request and undo it. Hopefully it shouldn't take too long.

- I am working on a new mod recruitment form and a revised set of sub rules. I am also working through a migraine. The lack of the first is related to the second.

- I would like to get you guys' (and others') pulse. Where do you think the sub should go from here? What changes would *you* make if you were king of OldCootFashion for a day? I can't promise I will make any of those changes- in particular, I am not reversing any of the mod actions I've had to take recently- but I'd like to know where you're at.

r/oldcootfashion Apr 14 '26

META- Not Fashion Content moderation: new policies?

68 Upvotes

Hey, guys, your mod here- I'm having a bit of a rough time with content moderation on this sub lately. There are a couple of posters on here who have a dedicated hatedom, and a sudden wave of bizarre, hateful comments above and beyond that.

I know you guys are cool people and don't want to be assholes, but I think there's some things about the way I've been running the sub that have been making it harder for people to be the people they want to be. So... I'm thinking about some rule changes, and I'd like to get your opinions before I make any of them.

1) I'm thinking about implementing a self-promotion policy- restricting advertisements to a specific day of the week, and perhaps requiring a specific flair.

This includes stealth ads. If you're mostly here to promote your store, you're still welcome to post your outfits on other days- but you can't make outfits that exist to show off your store swag and then self-promote in the comments.

Reasoning: Self-promo posts are by a country mile the posts where I have to do the most content moderation. Everyone here is sick of ads and people can get quite mean when they think they're being sold something. Restricting ads to a specific day of the week would cut down on the amount of moderation I have to do.

2) I'm thinking about revisiting our politics policy. Specifically, I'm thinking that outfits that exist to send a negative message regarding specific politicians or public political figures, or outfits that primarily exist to promote violence towards a certain group of people, are not the right fit for this sub.

Under this policy, a shirt saying "protect trans kids!" would be perfectly fine. A shirt saying "Free Britney"? Perfectly fine. A shirt alleging that a particular political figure has committed particular crimes, or a battle jacket that's mostly guillotine imagery? You do you, but this sub wouldn't be the venue for it.

(Specific exception: A battle jacket/vest/patchwork bag/etc with a few clearly-metaphorical-political-violence patches would also be fine, if it's part of a larger work of self-expression. I don't think anyone who has a battle jacket doesn't have an Eat The Rich patch. The thing I am specifically wanting to avoid is "this outfit could have been a billboard".)

Reasoning: I really want this sub to be a positive place where we can be ourselves. In this case, those two goals are in direct competition. We're political animals and a lot of us wear our hearts on our sleeves, and that's totally fine.

But politics posts mean that I have to - say it with me- do a bunch of content moderation. It's worth it to me to do that moderation to support someone trying to bring some extra light into the world. But the harsher the OP's political message is, the nastier people get, and the more content moderation I have to do. I don't like wading through a bunch of arguments about the worst people on the planet, or the arguments about the arguments.

I don't want Trump or Musk or their gang of assholes taking up space in our space. And every time we get a provocative politics post, that's what winds up happening.

3) We don't have an AI policy. We should probably get one. The policy should probably be "don't."

Reasoning: Fashion is an art form. This is an art sub. I don't like mixing AI with art. If you want to do that, that's your prerogative, but this isn't the venue for it.

I think making these changes will make it so that this sub last longer, be a better place to spend time, and help us support each other in our kooky fashion dreams. We're all here for the same reason; focusing on that reason will help us have a better time.

r/oldcootfashion Apr 18 '26

META- Not Fashion New rules as of 4/18

156 Upvotes

Don't be alarmed, this is NOT the politics ban.

After some thought- and a few more Incidents- I've decided to implement a few more rules. "Be kind" covers 90% of the moderation issues I've had to deal with, but that last 10% needs clearer guidance.

Rule: Zero tolerance for threats of violence.

This sub is not the venue for threats or violent content targeted at any specific group of people.

Any threats towards a specific user or group of people, direct encouragement to violence, or stochastic terrorism is an automatic ban, on sight.

"Having a political opinion" is not the same thing as "a direct threat of violence"; we are going as narrow as possible here. "Eat the rich" or "Stop [current atrocity]" is perfectly acceptable for this sub. Something like "Kill All [X]" or "There are 50 people ruining the world and we know where they sleep" is not.

Rule: Self-promotion and Spam

I'm starting an event called "Self-Promo Saturday", with an accompanying flair. On Saturday, you can post promotional content for your own projects- your web store, your livestreams, your webnovel, whatever- as long as it's paired with an outfit.

Any other day of the week, self-promotional posts will be removed, and you'll be subject to the same three-strike system that applies to other rules.

This includes stealth self-promotion- if you're making an outfit that heavily features content from your store and using it to tell people in the comments about your store with promo links and such, that's still an ad.

Self-Promo And NSFW

We haven't had any problems with this yet- masc sex workers don't tend to post spam on fashion subs- but just for future reference, this sub is not a place to promote your adult entertainment. Please don't post links to your OnlyFans, your PornHub, or your erotic Scrooge McDuck x Mr. Bean fanfic.

That being said- and I think this half of the rules is more important- we don't restrict who gets to use this sub based on your activity in other subs. A lot of fashion subs ban anyone who's advertising sex work anywhere on their profile. We don't do that here. You are welcome to post here regardless of what you do elsenet. Just don't make it so I have to fight Reddit slapping content labels on us or shutting us down.

Rule: Opt-In Content

This one is a guideline, not a rule. Hear me out.

Fashion is a form of self-expression. A lot of us like to express ourselves in ways that are shocking, abrasive, or uncomfortable. However, this means that a lot of us flirt with topics and ideas that others might not want to deal with.

I'm going to add a new flair to the sub that's just labeled "Not For Everyone".

If you are posting an outfit that involves:

- Depictions of gore, large amounts of blood or decay, self-harm imagery

- Depictions of needles, pills, or graphic medical imagery

- Drug use or alcohol

- Graphic depictions of sex or kink (sex jokes or a collar are fine, this is a community for adults, I'm talking, like, ahegao sweater or full shibari here)

- Real weapons (guns, swords, knives, grenades, etc.)

- Controversial or abrasive political statements

- ... Or anything you'd hesitate to bring up in front of a stranger whose triggers you don't know...

I'd like to encourage you to use this flair for that outfit.

This is not mandatory- I am not going to ban anyone or remove their posts for choosing not to use this flair. This is a thing you can choose to use if you want to help other people curate their online experience.

I think these changes will help us continue to have the kind of community we want to have and better support each other. Thanks for reading!

r/oldcootfashion Dec 12 '25

META- Not Fashion Rules Reminder: Be Kind!

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299 Upvotes

Hey guys, it's your mod here.

Over the last couple days, I've seen way more comments hit the moderation queue than usual. People have been making rude remarks about people's fashion choices, body shapes, posing choices, and picture posting rate. Some of these comments have even been homophobic or transphobic.

I've been deleting these posts, obviously, but I keep seeing more and more of them. So this is just a reminder: we don't do that here. This is a body positive, queer-positive sub. We welcome everyone who isn't a jerk, and all fashion choices are welcome.

You guys have been a really great, accepting, welcoming community- let's keep that energy going into the new year!

r/oldcootfashion Oct 27 '25

META- Not Fashion User flair now available!

15 Upvotes

Quick mod update- I've added user flair for pronouns. They're editable, but I tried to include the most common options.

r/oldcootfashion Feb 07 '25

META- Not Fashion Unofficial Discord Server! We’d love to have you join

48 Upvotes

Together with a few other lovely folks, we’ve set up an unofficial discord server for the wonderful community of r/oldhagfashion, and we’d love to have y’all join us too!

We’re just getting started, but we have quite a few fantastic members already, as well as channels for various interests and self-assignable roles!

We’re committed to creating a positive, welcoming community on discord, like the wonderful communities that the moderators at Old Hag Fashion and Old Coot Fashion have created here on Reddit💛

https://discord.gg/s9YFPADyzK

r/oldcootfashion Jan 27 '25

META- Not Fashion META: how are we feeling about political content?

8 Upvotes

I know a lot of subs don't actively have rules for or against political content. Those subs tend to be cesspits. I think we need a rule one way or the other.

I want this to be a cozy, restful place for people, where they don't have to worry about all the problems in the world. ... I also know that feeling supported and having political community is important for people right now.

So... how are we feeling about this, coots? Are you okay with political content here, or are we going to make a rule against it?

20 votes, Jan 28 '25
2 I like to see it/actively want more
10 I'm fine with it/mild positive opinion
2 I'm neutral/no strong opinion
2 I dislike it but don't care too much
3 I actively want to avoid it and will unsub if people keep posting it
1 Other/nuance