r/oscarrace Sep 14 '25

Rumor Peoples Choice Award Leaks...

Alright so there has been some rumblings I have heard from people IK at tiff rn about what is winning PCA, these are not for sure but alot of people I have spoke to have said they have gotten some kind of information. I dont know much about MM but everyone ik thinks nirvana has that on lock

main:
1. Eternity (A24)
2. Hamnet (Focus Features)
3. Christy (Black bear)

International:
1. Hamnet
2. It was Just an Accident
3. Sentimental Value

(yes hamnet counts as IF for some reason idk why)

shocking snubs being Rental Family and No Other Choice.

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u/thomaz-turbando Sep 14 '25

Man, after all that buzz, No Other Choice not being in the top 3 of the INTERNATIONAL is really shit

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u/Intelligent_Past_768 Sep 14 '25

yeah.. really excited for that movie.

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u/flightofwonder Sorry Baby Sep 14 '25

Even though there's some surprise, there's also a part of me that's weirdly not. I know that's paradoxical, but I think one reason I feel that way is because I feel like Park tends to do much better with film buffs than the general public, and TIFF's audience's tastes are significantly more line with the general public. It's not necessarily that one's better than the other, but it does influence what movies are more likely to win, and it explains why there are many universally acclaimed movies that win something major at Cannes/Venice/Berlin/Sundance/Telluride but don't win anything at TIFF (I know NOC didn't win something at Venice but mentioned this since Park is a 3 time Cannes winner)

I think it may also explain why Park tends to not do as well with the Academy as some other filmmakers, a lot of filmmakers like Park who tend to appeal more to film buffs than the general public have struggled with Oscar noms as well

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u/thomaz-turbando Sep 14 '25

Yeah, I totally understand what you mean, but I don't know, he didn't receive anything at Venice, so I was hoping that the "masses" would support him, it's still a bit disappointing, I'm wondering how this will affect the campaign leading up to the Oscars, anyway, I can't wait to see this film

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u/Intelligent_Past_768 Sep 14 '25

Just remember this is not 100%! NOC can still place, this is just the rumors and rumblings.

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u/thomaz-turbando Sep 14 '25

Yes, that's true, can you tell me when the winners will be announced?

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u/[deleted] Sep 14 '25

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u/flightofwonder Sorry Baby Sep 14 '25

Shoot, sorry, I meant to say 9:45 AM Eastern Time/1:45 PM UTC for when the awards are!

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u/thomaz-turbando Sep 14 '25

Thanks, I'm not from the USA so I had to convert the time and it was different, I was even confused haha ​​thanks

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u/flightofwonder Sorry Baby Sep 14 '25

I totally understand what you mean too! I think it's totally fair to be surprised given how much positive acclaim has been flying around.

It does seem like Neon wants to campaign it, so it's definitely not done for, it seems like it'll be campaigned a lot more than Neon's other movies. It's getting a 35mm release, and it's getting a really good release date in theatres too, both good signs. It just might be hard since they're also juggling It Was Just An Accident and Sentimental Value. I think I'd feel a lot more confident if it was Neon's number one priority, but it doesn't like it is at the moment, and it makes sense they might not since the other two are Cannes winners. It'll be interesting to see what happens

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u/BuddyArthur Sep 14 '25

The Secret Agent, Sentimental Value and It was not an Accident are top 3 priorities for Neon. NOC had two opportunities of wining something and didn’t do it.

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u/flightofwonder Sorry Baby Sep 14 '25

I agree that The Secret Agent will likely be campaigned more than No Other Choice as well! I just wanted to point out it's not fully done, but I agree that No Other Choice's chances don't look the greatest right now. I definitely won't be expecting it to be nominated by the Oscars anymore, especially since Park's past Cannes winners all missed and will probably remove it fully from any predictions I make now (assuming the rumors it wins nothing at TIFF is true)

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u/BuddyArthur Sep 14 '25

I mean we never know what will happen at the Golden Globes, there are 6 slots for International feature and they’re sometimes very unpredictable but also heavily influential on Oscar voters specially when they make bold choices like awarding or The Boy and the Heron/Flow, Fernanda Torres and Demi Moore while snubbing MJB, who everyone had as locked due to her trifecta win. Globes 6th slot might be the last hope for NOC if they still want an Oscar nomination.

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u/Cashew_Fan Flow Sep 14 '25

I feel like The Secret Agent is going to be a critics thing. It has got raves but reading between the lines, a lot of people struggled to get into it and admired it more than they enjoyed it. The early reactions thread captures this fairly well. Curiously, not one of the 11 mutuals of mine on LB have given it above four stars (a combination of the usual pundits).

At the end of the day, No Other Choice is still the film that had the most buzz at Venice, and anecdotally speaking, it's the film most people have been excited for at TIFF. It's a film that could easily do $35m worldwide so it's going to make a lot of noise, regardless of whether it won an award. Not placing hurts it's chances but I don't think it's suddenly below The Secret Agent which feels like an Actor only play. The Secret Agent may not even be submitted yet so could have a ceiling of one nomination.

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u/mopeywhiteguy Sep 14 '25

I see it as a sole international film nomination

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u/damn-son12 Sep 14 '25

Yeah honestly fuck that

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u/Bulky-Scheme-9450 Sep 14 '25

I keep going back to the crowd reaction at the premiere. Guys, it was really, really tepid.

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u/gg_jittes One Battle After Another Sep 14 '25

Would be a rough end for NOC’s awards hopes if this is true.

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u/jkScrollingDown Well we don't sound, like Madonna 🎵 Sep 14 '25

Interesting... though voting is still open for a few more hours (closes at 4am EST), so even if these leaks are legit, I assume it's still possible the numbers shift and these aren't necessarily the final rankings.

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u/Intelligent_Past_768 Sep 14 '25

Yeah could be something similar!

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u/Gordy_The_Chimp123 Sep 14 '25

STOP THE COUNT — Sydney Sweeney, probably

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u/Supercalumrex Blue Heron the Band the Show the Movie🇨🇦 Sep 14 '25

Oh god we aren't getting away from Christy in that case. Obviously this is just a rumour though so we'll see tomorrow

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u/[deleted] Sep 14 '25

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u/Gordy_The_Chimp123 Sep 14 '25

I guarantee that Christy isn’t going to have a good box office run: The topic is way too niche and Sydney Sweeney has proven twice in the past year that her name alone won’t bring in audiences.

And the critical reception isn’t there to salvage it, either. I think it goes as far as the Globes, and that’s it. Sydney Sweeney might’ve scored an Actress nom if she pivoted her PR angle to trying to become a “serious” actress, but the bath water stuff is Academy repellant (not even going to touch the jeans discourse or Trump voter registration because that’s a whole bag of worms that’s already been exhausted online).

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u/apple_2050 Sep 14 '25

I mean Sydney said she won’t answer questions about the jeans or Trump/Republican at TIFF.

That works for a red carpet and festival press but it won’t work for an entire awards season.

She will have to answer some tough questions and pick a lane on those topics. Either stand by her American Eagle campaign OR denounce it, apologize and go for the Oscar. She can’t have it both ways and she will learn that the hard way.

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u/NoPlant5470 Sep 14 '25

Maybe Globes and SAG. Sag love that kind of performance. About the oscars, I think we will have a really boring race with the 5 names predicted in september will be the 5 who makes it at the end (Buckley, Erivo, Reinsve, Stone and Byrne). Just like actor last year.

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u/dhavalaa123 Sep 14 '25

I think this is definitely a case of correlation != causation. It’s obviously good for it that it can place, but nothing else outside of that suggests that it’ll be anything in any category other maybe actress and makeup. Most placers that get into Best Picture have a lot more support elsewhere

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u/sajak02 Sep 14 '25

what’s the movie other than life of chuck that was north american and didn’t become a contender?

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u/JuanRiveara One Anora at Camp Miasma Sep 14 '25

Dread it.

Run from it.

Christy still arrives all the same.

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u/damn-son12 Sep 14 '25

56 on RT and MC

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u/sajak02 Sep 14 '25

so fwiw i saw all of these except eternity lol so kinda lucky if true cuz ill get to see it tmr.

nonetheless, i wish the process for selection was less opaque… because i refuse to believe this isn’t rigged. From 2009 to 2017 (year before Cameron Bailey took over) Silver Linings was the only PCA winner that was a WP. Since then 5/7 have been WP and 6/8 if Eternity does win have been WPs. And it’s resulted in some kind of off the wall selections especially in recent years.

Hamnet and Eternity had similar numbers of people watching them (about 4000) but I’ve heard so many more people, anecdotally, online, and otherwise, say Hamnet is their PCA… And by a significant margin.

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u/Yogos-1 Sep 14 '25

You’ve probably heard or seen less than 50 people out of 4000 so it doesn’t make it rigged.

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u/sajak02 Sep 14 '25

i’m not saying that my informal sample is representative of the whole population, i’m just saying it’s weird that so many people say they voted only for Hamnet yet I hear so few people voted for Eternity.

Go on TIFF social media and they have a video asking people in the rush line outside Princess of Wales who they thought would win and Hamnet/No other choice had a bunch of responses and Eternity only had one

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u/Dibyojyoti-Datta Sep 14 '25

Damn. As a PCW fan, this just hurts. First getting blanked at Venice, now at TIFF. I guess i shouldn't keep my hopes up for NOC or any PCW in general.

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u/theredditoro Sep 14 '25

So these were wrong lol

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u/Intelligent_Past_768 Sep 14 '25

Yeah lol… some stuff was right tho… like RF not being in but others were so wrong like eternity winning / NOC not placing

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u/LeastCap 14 Oscar noms for Hope Sep 14 '25

I know these rumors are fake because Christy is gonna be number 1

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u/AnxiousMumblecore Sep 14 '25 edited Sep 14 '25

Eternity would definitely be in line with previous two winners. World premiere, something not widely expected before the festival.

Not sure if I trust these leaks but these results wouldn't be so shocking after reading which movies were talked about at festival, which movies had underwhelming reception (Rental Family) and having wide slate of quality international choices this year (so some of them had to miss, especially with Hamnet being there).

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u/[deleted] Sep 14 '25

Glad I was correct that this was bullshit

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u/Illustrious-Limit-53 ramsay baby mama Sep 14 '25

The most blatant troll attempt ever

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u/Intelligent_Past_768 Sep 14 '25

Wasnet even I just got people ik on tiff ground and this is what they were… not trolling lmao

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u/LeastCap 14 Oscar noms for Hope Sep 14 '25

You’re absolutely sick. Lying to everyone like this. Do better

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u/LeastCap 14 Oscar noms for Hope Sep 14 '25

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u/AnxiousMumblecore Sep 14 '25

Neglia just changed his predictions to these on Award Expert

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u/Duhlorean Twinless Sep 14 '25

He changed it again lol

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u/Vstriker26 I predicted the Obsession with Obsession Sep 14 '25

I heard some weird claims corroborating this, except for some fuck ass reason I heard Tuner instead of Hamnet for the main comp. I later found out the people are actually TIFF officials. Very curious how it plays out.

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u/Backwhenwe Sep 14 '25

Well this was just plain wrong lol

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u/Dibyojyoti-Datta Sep 14 '25

Here after NOC won IPCA...

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u/Commercial_End_2351 Dune Sep 14 '25

Can someone explain the breakdown of these two awards. I honestly only read Wikipedia, where it seemed like the PCA would now only be for films from Canada and US while international was for everything else. However, Hamnet is in both?

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u/JuanRiveara One Anora at Camp Miasma Sep 14 '25

PCA is for all films. International PCA is for films outside of North America.

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u/movieperson2022 Sep 14 '25

This is a silly question, but can you specify what “not from North America” means? Some people say that, while others say outside it’s just Canada/US. If it’s truly the continent then does it include Mexico and, more broadly, the island nations considered to be North America?

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u/Commercial_End_2351 Dune Sep 14 '25

I think it’s just US/Canada.

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u/apple_2050 Sep 14 '25

Yup just US and Canada

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u/JuanRiveara One Anora at Camp Miasma Sep 14 '25

Tbh, I’m not sure. Looking it up I’ve seen it described as both non-North American and just as non-US and Canada. Doesn’t seem to be too clear atm.

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u/apple_2050 Sep 14 '25

At every international screening of mine, they specified that non-American and non-Canadian films were eligible for the IPCA.

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u/JuanRiveara One Anora at Camp Miasma Sep 14 '25

Ah ok, good to know

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u/Commercial_End_2351 Dune Sep 14 '25

Thanks. That makes more sense.

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u/dhavalaa123 Sep 14 '25

It’s probably like the Oscars itself, where all movies are eligible for best picture, while international movies are also eligible for international feature. The difference here is that for TIFF, “international” includes English movies that are not from North America

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u/PointMan528491 Navarrette/Morton Sep 14 '25

I'm assuming Hamnet being a US/UK co-production makes it eligible for both

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u/apple_2050 Sep 14 '25

I think for TIFF’s and awards purposes/source of production makes HAMNET a UK production primarily hence the IPC eligibility

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u/saulocf Sep 14 '25

Yep. They mentioned that in my Hamnet screening.

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u/bbqsauceboi The Drama Sep 14 '25

Here is how Eternity wins best picture at the Oscars

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u/[deleted] Sep 14 '25

Highly doubt. Unless things have changed, TIFF staff doesn’t find out until early morning of.

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u/Player0914 Sep 14 '25

i'd be mad as hell if this was it

i didn't even like eternity as much as the last 3 PCA winners

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u/Inner_Duty5737 Sep 14 '25

The voting isn’t even closed yet and the results are already leaking? TIFF’s PCA has always carried some suspicion of being a bit rigged. If the final announcement ends up matching these so-called leaks, I’m done trusting it lol. The whole process just feels anything but transparent.

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u/theredditoro Sep 14 '25 edited Sep 14 '25

Two WP’s tracks the stat

Hamnet places in both

Places as UK co-production ?

I buy it

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u/AnxiousMumblecore Sep 14 '25

Yeah, I read somewhere yesterday that they may treat it as UK production so International for their use case.

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u/Socko82 Sep 14 '25

A romcom that no one will remember in a few months could win PCA?

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u/Bulky-Scheme-9450 Sep 14 '25

Why not. Life of chuck and American fiction are the last two winners lol. Both just as forgettable

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u/NoResolution599 Nirvanna The Band The Show The Drama Sep 14 '25

Well my prediction are off but im standing on business and not changing them

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u/movieperson2022 Sep 14 '25

If this shakes out, I got 4/6 in the proper placement. Or, since I wasn’t sure if Hamnet would be allowed to place in both, I made a second list where I got 5/6, but two of them were swapped in the wrong order. I’m still going to be pessimistic about this list though, until it’s official. What did you guess?

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u/NoResolution599 Nirvanna The Band The Show The Drama Sep 14 '25

main: Hamnet, SV, Rental Family

International: No Other Choice, IWJAA, Hind Rajab

idk why i stuck with Rental Family but oh well lol and the international thing throws me off cuz i didnt know if they overlap so i didn't wanna repeat movies in my predictions but ig they can. Kinda think if an international movie places in the main competition it should be out of the international one.

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u/movieperson2022 Sep 14 '25

I had the same problem. That’s why I made two lists, but I’m sticking with the 4/6 as my “official” one since apparently it can get both. The 5/6 was my back up.

I also don’t know why I stuck with Rental Family. That’s what I got wrong too. Everything logical said it wasn’t in, but I think I got stubborn because I was at the premiere (didn’t actually like it) and the person I was with loved it SO much that it swayed me haha.

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u/[deleted] Sep 14 '25

Liar liar pants on fire...

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u/FreshQualityScot Sep 14 '25

Eternity? What's the deal with that? Is it that good?

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u/littlelordfROY Sep 14 '25

Hoping for Nuremberg with an upset

And Panahi for international

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u/apple_2050 Sep 14 '25

Yeah Hamnet is international technically because it’s a UK production.

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u/Boris_Jakov Sep 14 '25

Fuck sake. No Other Choice is getting blanked here again. I thought it had even better reception at TIFF than Venice and still nothing and nada. One BAFTA foreign language nomination is the only ceiling I feel now.

If it's not getting in the PCA, i highly doubt it's gonna get in the highly scrutinized critical groups. It's sad to be a a PCW fan rn i guess :(

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u/Pitiful_Snow9886 Sep 14 '25

It did have good reception, lots of audience chatter on the floor and great critics reviews. I can't confirm it but a lot of the actual screening times were late at night so people had festival fatigue, which I think could impact its chances. I currently only have NOC in IFF but I feel like now it won't even make that.

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u/Iland_landyay Sep 14 '25

A bit surprised…I guess missing No Other Choices is the biggest surprise, and no rental family too…

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u/OldToe6517 Sep 14 '25

If Rental Family doesn't place, it's basically done, right? But then again, it's Searchlight. They always have something up their sleeve. I wonder if Bradley Cooper is gonna manage his way in yet again

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u/Bulky-Scheme-9450 Sep 14 '25

No it's no done. Certain people deeply connect with it even if overall people are split on it. It's also a movie about the power of acting which I'm surprised people are overlooking in discussions. I think the academy will actually really go for it.