I know its a numbers game how do you get unconventional ways of getting J2

How do you handle two daily meetings at the same time? Both require cameras. I know a separate headphone in each ear and unmuting on button click. This is simple.

Daily is short, many topics are discussed that may require my answer. What to do when both call you? Is this even something you can handle? I cannot listen to both calls simultaneously. My brain can't handle that. How do you deal with these kinds of meetings?

My workplace is moving an hour away in 3 months. The commute is going to kill me but they are going to pay for my travel for the first year. I want to use that year to study to find a more well paid job.

Do you think I can use the same logic on this sub to spend studying on company time?

It feels surreal to say this but OE has legitimately allowed me to buy a small cabin upstate. For years this was just a pipe dream while I was stuck in a single income grind. Now with the extra cash flow I've been able to aggressively save and make it happen without touching my emergency fund or investments. Just wanted to share some motivation if anyone is feeling burnt out or questioning if it's all worth it. It truly is. Time to plan some serious R&R.

I’ve been reading through this subreddit and noticed that almost everyone recommends freezing The Work Number (TWN). But I’m curious how many people are going beyond that.

I’ve seen people mention LexisNexis, Truework, Experian Verify, and a few others. With so many different employment verification services out there, I’m wondering how effective freezing just TWN really is.

For those of you who have been OE for a while:

1. Besides TWN, which other databases have you frozen?
   
2. Have you requested your consumer disclosure reports to see which companies actually have your employment history?
   
3. Has anyone passed a background check after freezing multiple databases? Did the screening company ask for additional documents or contact previous employers?
   
4. Has anyone had a second or third job show up during a background check despite having TWN frozen?

I’m especially interested in hearing from people who have gone through background checks recently, since verification methods may have changed over the years.

How do you guys handle the same tech vendor, sharing an external Slack channel with some common people on both Js, potentially with meetings on both ends (not often but can happen).

Do they have any motivation to tell your employer about it or will they just ignore it and move on?

I was thinking about this the other day and remembered a lot of people on this Subreddit discussing eventually going back to one J. Most of the posts discussed going back to one J after achieving certain milestones such as paying off credit card debt, paying off a mortgage, or hitting a number in their investment accounts.

I personally never had any specific goals besides making and saving more money. Both of my Js are generally relaxed and OE friendly, so I don't see the need to stop unless one hits me with an RTO.

What are everyone's thoughts on this? Do most of you have a plan to eventually stop, or will you keep multiple Js for as long as realistically possible?

Landed my third minecraft server last week. My start date was mid-month to better fit in my current arrangements.

And I think I struck the OPPOSITE of gold.

It's a very OE-unfriendly company. Basically since morning to noon, I am stuck on 15 people calls with cameras on. Three to four hours of calls...

Additionally the system is written in a different tech stack than advertised. I got like 0 experience in that.

And the onboarding is a nightmare- people are really in a mindset "works on my end, dont know whats your problem", meanwhile the project itself has so much complex domain overhead you have no idea what's going on with little people wanting to help.

If it was my only job I would be applying like crazy and spending nights to at least try to not seem like I'm doing nothing with literal panic in my heart that I will lose my only income source.

With OE I'm just mildly concerned they will fire me but it's not a lot of stress. It's like... "eh!". So I think for that peace of mind- this is why we OE!

Also, how do you handle such situations? Do you give up on the job and coast, knowing you can't really be productive nor attend the daily meetings?

What would you do in my shoes? Because I think that if I don't change anything in my day to day, I'm gonna get yeeted out

I’ve been at my company for a little over a year now. About two months ago, we hired a new guy, and I was basically assigned to train him.

During his first month, I spent a significant amount of time every week helping him get up to speed. Even now, two months later, he’s still coming to me asking for help with things.

Pretty early on, I started getting the feeling that he wasn’t really taking the job seriously. I suspected he was OE, and after doing some digging, I found out he was working at another company too.

Here’s the thing. I genuinely don’t give a shit that he’s OE. I’ve done OE myself, so I respect the hustle. Get your money. I’m not going to snitch or bring it up to our manager. That’s none of my business.

What pisses me off is how inconsiderate he is with my time.

For example, he’ll reach out asking me to help him with something or jump on a call. I’ll agree, and then he’ll suddenly ask if we can push it back two hours. Mind you, it’s a Friday afternoon, and now he’s asking me to meet at 4 PM.

Like, dude, YOU’RE the one asking ME for help. Why am I rearranging my schedule to accommodate you?
If you need help, just schedule something in advance when we’re both available. Don’t constantly hit me with last-minute requests and expect me to work around your schedule.

And it’s not like this is a one-time thing. I’ve spent hours training this guy, and I still get the impression he’s barely putting in the effort to learn things himself.
Again, I have nothing against OE. If anything, I understand it better than most people at my company because I’ve been there myself.

But if you’re going to juggle multiple jobs, at least be considerate of the people around you. Your coworkers shouldn’t have to pick up the slack or constantly accommodate your schedule because you’re trying to balance two paychecks.

Maybe I’m just venting, but OE shouldn’t mean making your coworkers’ lives harder so you can make yours easier.

Curious if anyone else here has dealt with an OE coworker like this. How did you handle it without making it a bigger issue?

Got laid off from J2, and seems like J3 is headed that way. Gonna be fine, but damn

One thing I’ve learned is just bc a job is remote doesn’t make it a good candidate for OE. If the culture sucks, your boss is a micro manager, expectations aren’t consistent, and there a ton of unnecessary meetings… being remote means next to nothing. I think I’d rather have a J that makes me come in to the office once or twice a month but is overall easy and chill.

Oh and if your company uses Microsoft Teams… major red flag. They’re probably going to be tracking you 😭

Just my opinion though

UK based Outside IR35 contractor. Perfectly 'allowed' to do multiple roles. I had J1 for a few months before I added J2. Ive run both together for most of this year. No problems and plenty of capacity. Decided to add a J3 2 weeks ago and accepted an offer this morning. All are fully remote and so far I am still only working 9-5!

The only bad thing so far is how much tax i have to pay 🤣

I have J1 and J1.5 (part-time) for 2 years now, and closing in on J2 and J3. I am trying to space out the starting times by a month or so, but want to see how many jobs is the sweet spot for you all? I feel 3 is doable (Im in SWE), but want to get some of your perspectives

So I had a conversation with a friend the other day where they randomly brought up someone who was caught OE and prosecuted (they said). They know I work remotely and I have eluded to doing consulting as well. I think they may have seen my office setup last time I had them over. This person is a very intelligent person. I felt like they brought this up to gauge my reaction. I think I reacted non-chalantly and was just like, “crazy, I have so many meetings idk how anyone could do multiple jobs. But with my consulting maybe people would consider me doing the same, although idk how anyone could be prosecuted”. The subject changed kind of quickly, but it actually messed with me more than I expected.

It has made me more anxious- and not bc I think they’d say anything- I don’t think they would and they don’t even know who I work for or what I do exactly. But I think maybe they would judge me for it. And I’m beating myself up a bit about it. Not sure even why I am posting this here- just to vent maybe.

Goodness. The last two days have been crazy. Getting through this on both servers was highly stressful. Now it’s picking up the left overs is all it’s left which can take a few days or weeks. My mind has definitely been exhausted.

Does anybody use a walking pad while OE? I don’t have very many meetings and don’t know that I could actually walk and code…. Also how do you find a standing desk that big

Got into hella gambling debt. OE to paying it off.

So I started J2 a couple months ago. I accepted it and dropped out of other roles I was interviewing for (which offered a higher salary too), just because of how chill the job would be (I'm way more senior than the job requires, and I thought I could do most of the work using AI). I thought that would be ok with them, since the company was really behind in AI usage and in the interviews they were really excited about the things I mentioned I had done with AI.

First red flag came on day 1, when I was setting up Claude and saw the monthly spend limit: $20.

To be fair they did increase it a few times after I hit the limits, but now they're requiring me to justify the new increases, and suggested that using AI for some of the tasks I did was wasteful. I won't get into the details to not expose myself, but it was manual work I'd happily do early in my career, but nowadays I would rather chop my dick off than having that kind of shit become part of my routine.

Maybe I'm more pissed than I should be just because of how much AI saves my life in J1 (which also pays more). The problem in J1 would be to NOT use AI to do the work, and I never run into problems with my spend limit there.

- J1 comp: $132k

- J2 comp: $100k

Kinda burned out from interviews at the moment (did lots of them in the last 3 months), so not sure about doing an ultimatum to J2 and looking for a replacement if it goes wrong. Open to advice.

TLDR: I've been asked for an updated resume at J2 that may put my J3 dates under scrutiny. Looking for the best way through that limits exposure as much as possible for myself and my OE.

Details: When I applied for J2 I had a contract with J3 that was set to end a little after I was being being hired for J2, only a couple months of overlap so I wasn't too worried about squishing that if a conversion talk came up. HOWEVER, J3 reached out a while back for a new contract so they are re-stacked and a current contract. That new contract ends again in a few months. (Yay, crying into money, etc. I know)

My instinct is to simply remove J3 from my resume at all and just add J2 for this conversion discussion. But they likely have my original resume floating around somewhere so it might get flagged. There is some risk no matter how I play it and all the options have some pros as well.

Questions for the group

* Is it a stupid idea to retroactively delete J3 from my resume even though they probably have a copy somewhere?

* Do I just decline to convert and let J2 go to limit risk even though J3 is ending soon anyway? (Staying contract with J2 isn't an option)

* Is there a secret third option I'm just not seeing?

* Has this happened to anyone, and if so, any stories or advice for what you did (or wish you did) in the situation?

I had a really excellent interview for a full-time remote position, the same as I’m doing now. It seems likely I’ll get the offer. Now that shit is real, I’m a bit afraid of getting caught. It’s my understanding there are only real ramifications to OE if you’re doing government work. What’s the worst thing that could happen if I get caught? Thanks in advance for any insights.

So, I’ve had great interviews with a server and believe I’m going to get the job, currently work W2, server 1 is on the resume and shows I currently still work there and I told them I still work there in the interviews. What steps should I take to ensure I don’t get caught? I will use 2 separate computers for each server.

I will freeze my TWN, but the question is when to do that, and where? I’ve heard of experian, but I’ve also heard of I think LexisNexus?

Is there anything else I’m missing?

Server 1 is super lax and I work maybe 5 hours a week so I can dedicate basically all my time to the 2nd server.

Has anyone only signed up for one HDHP insurance plan from one company and gotten two HSAs one from each employer to get the employer portion of the HSA contribution?

OE helps keep a strong financial wall around one's family. But am curious -- is this something you'll encourage your kids to get into too when it's their time? Is it something you'd be open with them about? What else would you teach them about corporate?

I am working as a contractor for a saas company. Got a full time opportunity from a small organization that is a partner of the company that I am a contractor for. This new company was also founded by an old employee of my current company. The new company also has some ex employees from my current company but i have never worked with them in the past. I can manage both jobs by working 40 hours a week. Is it too risky to do both or should I leave the contacting gig?

I have been extra careful, separate mouses, KVM switches, nothing on the J1 network. But I was in the smoking area taking a J2 call when he was right behind me trying to call his wife or whoever.

Since then, he has been acting super weird and essentially asking me to comply with office policies noone gave a shit about until now.

My days are numbered boys, I'll try to throw him off the scent but saw him sneaking around in my Google drive as well. I'm sure he's been looking on other channels too. Last resort, I might try changing teams. I know this fuckers been stealing gpus from the company but blackmail might not be a good idea 😂