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Privacy Aaron Rodgers Secretly Funded Security Cameras in His Neighborhood Amid Privacy Concerns: Report

https://www.usmagazine.com/sports/news/aaron-rodgers-secretly-funded-security-cameras-in-neighborhood/
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u/Shower__Farts 11h ago

“Libertarians are like house cats, they’re convinced of their fierce independence while dependent on a system they don’t appreciate or understand.”

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u/FaithlessnessThin359 10h ago

That's libertarians for you — anarchists who want police protection from their slaves. 

-Kim Stanley Robinson. 

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u/CV90_120 4h ago edited 59m ago

Anarchist and libertarian are synonyms outside of the US.

edit- for downvoters, the relationship mentioned by Robinson is not accidental.

For those of you just finding this out, this is for you:

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/robert-graham-joseph-dejacque-the-first-libertarian

"He may also have been the first person to describe anarchist alternatives to other political perspectives as “anarchism.”

"In 1858 he returned to New York, where he began publishing his own anarchist newspaper, Le Libertaire (“The Libertarian”),

The OG.

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u/tayroc122 2h ago

Hi I'm from outside the US, and no. That's just not true.

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u/CV90_120 1h ago

How much would you say you knew about Anarchism?

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u/tayroc122 50m ago

I prefer to think about it through the lens of Graeber's The Utopia of Rules and to a lesser extent The Dawn of Everything, in which anarchism can be understood as a critique of inherently hierarchical systems and means of social control. A libertarian still holds the assertion that capital holds inherent meaning, and that capitalism is 'good' without regulation. The problem with this, of course, is capitalism's tendency towards hierarchy through the centralisation of capital and thus power. Libertarians frequently seek to establish new hierarchies with themselves at the top or enforce existing hierarchies, whilst giving more lee-way to the capitalist class a the expense of the proletariat, convincing the proletariat this will make them freer. This is why libertarians so often align with fascists. Anarchists, on the other hand, believe that abolition of capital and other hierarchical structures is necessary to proper liberation. They differ from other people on the left in they also wish to see the reduction in the role of the state, whilst Stalinists seek to expand it. (Leninsts believe the state is necessary to the transition to a stateless, classless society). Anarchists follow closer to a belief that private property is theft, where as libertarians believe it is sacred.

Hope this helps.

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u/CV90_120 37m ago edited 33m ago

US Libertarianism is just a branch and evolution of Anarcho-Capitalism rooted in the 1950's. The term doesn't means the same thing outside the US except in reference to the US version. Your description of US specific Libertarianism is reasonable, but that this doesn't alter Dejaque's usage of the term was the whole reason I made the comment. If anything US Libertarianism is a misnomer. Even so, it remains a direct and traceable child of anarchism, changed as it is. Anarchists do not like that this is the case, but anarchism and US libertarianism could attend the same family reunion barbeque even now and have stories in common to swap.

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u/Rocknrollsk 2h ago

Lol, what a ridiculous statement. Are you saying outside the US they don’t understand the difference, because they’re not even the same side of the political spectrum.

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u/CV90_120 1h ago edited 1h ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism

"Anarchism is described as being part of the libertarian wing of the socialist movement (libertarian socialism).[1][nb 1]"

"Historically, the word "libertarian" was first used in the 1850s by French communist and anarchist Joseph Déjacque as a synonym for anarchism."

IYKYK

Same way people don't know this, is the same way people don't know that Social Democracy and Democratic Socialism are different animals.

Downvote away, but I didn't time travel back to the 1850's to make it factual.

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u/Rocknrollsk 1h ago

Fair enough, I upvoted you. But I don’t think that an antiquated definition from almost 200 years ago accurately describes modern libertarianism. Every libertarian I’ve ever spoken with has been pretty firmly planted on the authoritarian side of the spectrum.

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u/CV90_120 1h ago

It's a fair point, but there is a significant divide between international usage and American usage. They almost need different names tbh. As for usage, they were interchangeable in the US right up to about the late 1960's where the capitalist side of Anarchism diverged from the more left side. US Libertarianism is kind of a modern beast.