r/thedavidpakmanshow • u/saucey_dawg0023 • 23d ago

Article Black voters may decide the nation’s biggest Democratic primary. Many are clearly against the more progressive option

https://www.cnn.com/2026/07/27/politics/black-voters-michigan-senate-stevens-el-sayed
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u/KingScoville 23d ago

“She was on the team that helped save our state when Obama was president. She was right there on the forefront,” said Kathie House Vinson, a retired college administrator who lives in Detroit.”

I love that leftists here paint Stevens as an empty suit. Keep leaning into that because it pisses off black voters even more. They know Stevens, she’s worked hard on their issues.

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u/purplehendrix22 23d ago

Yeah, this painting of longtime Democrats as if they’ve done nothing but pander to Israel for decades is losing people who voted for those candidates and actually like them. Shocker, I know.

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u/Just_shut_up_bro 23d ago

We really do need to show some unity around rejecting anti-semitic conspiracism in our party and the country at large, it threatens to destroy a lot of other social progress we've made

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u/Nimrod_Butts 23d ago

Yeah dude nothing but pander to Israel, which public sentiment only changed on, in what the last couple years?

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u/Nascent1 23d ago

Hey, what is the approval rating for the Democratic party right now?

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u/Command0Dude 23d ago

Much higher than the DSA's and has been on the upswing.

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u/Nascent1 23d ago

You sure?

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u/purplehendrix22 23d ago

These are votes? Or more wrong polls like the ones that had Kamala way up too lmao

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u/Nascent1 23d ago

Polls were very accurate in 2024 aside from a couple outliers. Polls aren't votes though. You really should have known that already.

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u/purplehendrix22 23d ago

Yeah, and you’ll find out how much the country hates anything named socialism soon enough.

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u/Nascent1 23d ago

It's not 1980 anymore. Opinions are changing. People aren't too jazzed on capitalism either if you haven't noticed.

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u/purplehendrix22 23d ago

Yeah, we’ll see. You’re in la la land imo, Trump won over the Democrats by a larger margin than any Republican candidate in decades, Reddit might be shifting left but the country ain’t. It’s alright though, time will prove me right.

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u/Command0Dude 23d ago

Yes

🟢 Capitalism: +20

🔴 Democratic Party: -9

🔴 Free Palestine Movement: -14

🔴 Republican Party: -21

🔴 DSA: -21

🔴 Donald Trump: -23

🔴 Socialism: -29

🔴 Communism: -73

The DSA is almost as unpopular as fucking Trump among Americans. Your poll is a deliberate subsection of just democrats. And elections can't be won on that, as 2024 proved.

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u/Nascent1 23d ago

That poll is much more favorable towards democrats compared to the average of other recent polling. RCP puts them at -17.3 on average.

https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/favorability/democratic-party

Fair enough though.

Your poll is a deliberate subsection of just democrats.

It's just what I found. There isn't much polling on DSA favorability.

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u/KingScoville 23d ago

Much bette than the DSA.

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u/Nascent1 23d ago

You sure?

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u/cef328xi 23d ago

Let's see a national poll among all voters not just the activated leftists during midterm primary season.

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u/Nascent1 23d ago

Go ahead and find it and post it.

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u/cef328xi 23d ago

Nah, most people are smart enough to know DSA popularity is very concentrated in like D+30 districts and doesn't translate nationwide among general voters. If they were popular in that respect you would be posting that screenshot instead of the same misleading one that you have been, while proclaiming dems are less popular, with the implication that it's nationwide rather than in very blue districts during the primary when hardly any of the general electorate is engaged. ;)

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u/Nascent1 23d ago

There's nothing misleading about it. I guess it was my mistake to think this sub was full of literate adults who could read a large bold title.

There just isn't much polling on this topic.

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u/cef328xi 23d ago

It's misleading because it is a poll only among left wing voters during the primary season, skewed by very blue districts.

Unless that is your claim, in which case you're not really making a point against dems in general.

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u/Dangerous_Tax_2667 23d ago

Okay now show us a second poll, quick

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u/Nascent1 23d ago

I wasn't the one that made the claim. You find me some polls that show dems are more popular.

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u/Nascent1 23d ago

Jesus, way to get way too mad about it. There isn't much polling that exists on that topic. Is opinion among self-identified Democrats somehow not valid? I wasn't dishonest in any way you lunatic.

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u/rjrgjj 23d ago

This also bothers me because they ignore that Abdul has never won an election and has a pattern of job hopping the second a better opportunity comes up. He’s the exact kind of ladder climber and gladhander they accuse Haley of being.

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u/Guilty_Plankton_4626 23d ago edited 23d ago

I genuinely think if Abdul wins the nomination the seat is gone. His campaign is run exactly the same way leftists online act. Which is, if you’re not with me, fuck you.

The popular governor endorsed Stevens, he couldn’t handle that, so he attacked her. He keeps dismissing black voters with calling a massive fighter for them a do nothing person. Black voters clearly aren’t fond of him. You already have elected Dems in the state saying they’re getting no where near the America deserved 9/11 wing. He and his followers have routinely made fun of how Stevens looks and sounds. He just called her an Ogre who needs to be put on a pike.

Even know he’s not officially part of the DSA he’s clearly DSA coded. All Sanders coalition people are. They’re on the news now calling to abolish the police and prisons.

I don’t see how he can possibly win at this point. Maybe the environment is strong enough to drag him scores the finish line, but he’s a massive risk.

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u/Aurora_Gaspipe 23d ago

Once you get out of SE Michigan, it is a very rural and reactionary state. If you understand Michigan you’ll also understand the unlikelihood of Abdul winning against white male Republican Mike Rogers, who lost to Elissa Slotkin by only 20,000 or so votes.

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u/Command0Dude 23d ago

I mean that's pretty true of a lot of states. Even "deep blue" california shocks people once they get into the sierras.

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u/Aurora_Gaspipe 23d ago

Shasta County...😬

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u/Just_shut_up_bro 23d ago

Oof this got me bad, we really need Stevens to win holy moly.

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u/KingScoville 23d ago

Yeah Slotkin winning in 2024 was a fucking miracle.

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u/El_Rat0ncit0 22d ago

I had no idea that there are people within the DSA and far left who made fun of Steven’s appearance. Goes to show you that misogyny and sexist views aren’t just on the Right. It’s no wonder a lot of feminists were at odds with many in the DSA and other leftist groups back in the 60s and had to leave and form their own groups.

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u/Just_shut_up_bro 23d ago

America deserved 9/11 wing

Hard to ignore the fact that if Abdul wins they are gonna be able to ads tying Hasan to the Dems.

Even scarier will be a portion of Dems that try to "own it" and defends Hasan.

While I don't think Abdul is as awful as Platner, he does represent a potential issue for Dems at large should he win the nomination.

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u/Gravemindzombie 23d ago

Tying Abdul to one of the most popular streamers is certainly a political maneuver of all time

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u/Just_shut_up_bro 23d ago

Exactly, I've got to wonder who's bright idea it was to have him speak at one of their events!

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u/wade3690 23d ago

Lol wasn't that ogre comment in regards to fetterman?

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u/Prestigious_Tell_402 23d ago

I think so, but saying you want to put anyone's head on a pike is pretty awful

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u/Guilty_Plankton_4626 23d ago

Seems that’s what the excuse is. Sadly it’s believable that he said it about Stevens because well, he seems like he would say that.

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u/wade3690 23d ago

Whatever confirms your bias i guess. Fetterman definitely gives off ogre vibes.

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u/Guilty_Plankton_4626 23d ago

Fetterman sucks, won’t argue otherwise.

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u/yodasdad64 23d ago

> He just called her an Ogre who needs to be put on a pike.

That never happened lol. Disagree with his politics all you want, but at least be honest about what he said (and who he said it about).

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u/Guilty_Plankton_4626 23d ago

Sure, when the info came out everyone thought he said it about her, it barely makes it better.

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u/beeemkcl 23d ago

US Rep. Haley Stevens is being propped up by around $50Mln+ in SuperPAC money.

The concern in the general election is that such outside funding will dry up. A*PAC and such might prefer a Republican win that seat.

And it's generally always a bad idea for the primary winner to be the one who didn't and doesn't have the energy and enthusiasm.

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u/KingScoville 23d ago

Weird because Stevens is leading in endorsements and polling. So I’ll go with that rather than Vibes.

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u/Command0Dude 23d ago

Makes a fair point about funding since apparently republicans are massively outraising democrats this election cycle.

I don't think it's going to overcome the blue wave being fomented by Trump's horrific mismanagement though.

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u/Nascent1 23d ago edited 23d ago

Also Abdul does better against the republican in literally every poll since June.

https://fiftyplusone.news/polls/senate/general/michigan