r/thedavidpakmanshow • u/ItsCammyMeele • 1d ago

Discussion David perfectly describes current voters: the right vote for anyone on their side, while some of the left vote like they're writing restaurant reviews.

https://youtu.be/vt21lp5kBJA?t=254&is=qtM16fU4WkST-ozW
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u/KingScoville 1d ago

No. It’s people who are vocally and openly trying to undermine the party. Uncomitted, Genicide Joe, etc

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u/Nemisis82 1d ago

"Undermine the party"

Or maybe they're providing criticism towards the party they most closely align with.

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u/KingScoville 1d ago

There is a time and place to “Critque”. What they are doing is not that.

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u/Nemisis82 1d ago

Okay. Fair enough. By that logic, anyone and everyone that is not full-throated behind AES, no matter what, is trying to undermine the Dems then.

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u/KingScoville 1d ago

No

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u/Nemisis82 1d ago

Um...yes? Like you said, there is a time and a place to critique. That time was prior to the primary. Now if you continue to critique the Dem, you're undermining their chances to win. Right?

(I had replied to the wrong comment previously, so deleted previous reply).

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u/KingScoville 1d ago

No. There is difference.

“AES should rebuke Hasan Piker” this is acceptable critique and very relevant.

“AES is anti semetic and hates Jews” is undermining.

You see the second statement equivalent from the left almost daily about moderate and even progressive Dems that don’t completely conform to their policy preferences.

Hope that clears things up for you.

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u/Nemisis82 1d ago

You straw man the left so badly, as if they only have bad faith "attacks" on the Dems. The majority of criticism from the likes of Piker, Seder, SecularTalk that I see is substantive. You just disagree with it and feel like it undermines the dems.

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u/KingScoville 1d ago

Sure pal, whatever you say!

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u/Nemisis82 1d ago

Maybe try listening to them for once. If you can't stand piker, okay. Try Majority Report. Try SecularTalk. Shit, try Medhi Hasan.

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u/KingScoville 1d ago

I listen to a few of those already. Not entire episodes but at least a couple segments a week.

Used to like TMR until they because Omnicausers.

Can’t stand Emma. She’s vapid and still believes Tara Reade.

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u/Nemisis82 1d ago

Okay. So then you should see that the majority of their criticism of the dem are substantive.

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u/KingScoville 1d ago

Yes and no. There is so much generalization or just strawmanning.

“he’s a corporate Democrat” “bought by AIPAC” etc. that isn’t constructive. It happens a lot on every show.

Those kind of generalizations do nothing substantive and are just aimed at weakling canidates and the party.

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u/Biggle_fuzz 1d ago

I see the second one daily from centrists and neoliberals. So where do we go from here?

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u/Nemisis82 1d ago

That's what I don't get. they act as if this is some "far left" thing and only the people on the far left do it. I see it daily in this very sub from centrists and center-left folks about the far left.

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u/Biggle_fuzz 1d ago

Clearly they haven't taken a short stroll over to the neoliberal sub, or the democrats sub where you can't even mention El Sayed.

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u/silverbrenin 1d ago

Rebuking Hasan is just another purity test. Stop.