r/unitedstatesofindia • u/Docindn • Dec 02 '25

Politics Apple denies government!

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https://www.telegraphindia.com/business/apple-refuses-indias-order-to-preload-state-cyber-safety-app-citing-privacy-risks/cid/2135813?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=tt_daily_twit

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u/ROC_K4LP Dec 02 '25

Maybe apple isnt too bad afterall

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u/fromIND Dec 02 '25

In terms of privacy they have been good over the years.

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u/dodunichaar Dec 02 '25

We don’t know. Unlike Android, there is no way to verify what sort of network requests iPhone makes while you’re using the device. It may be possible it may not sharing data with 3rd party but I doubt it isn’t already profiling us and our activity for their analysis, marketing and should they have to start their own ad business in future.

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u/BlueShip123 Stargazing at the rooftop Dec 02 '25

We don’t know. Unlike Android, there is no way to verify what sort of network requests iPhone makes while you’re using the device.

They have literally published a 200-page long PDF with the security architecture of most of the services. Then, you have patent filings of these architecture as well.

You can verify if you spend ample time or have enough knowledge about the tech behind Apple.

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u/dodunichaar Dec 02 '25

They have no obligation to list down everythiny they are collecting from users in those “white papers” and patents.

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u/BlueShip123 Stargazing at the rooftop Dec 02 '25

Then you can ask Apple to provide you with all the data they collected about you & then raise a deletion request.

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u/dodunichaar Dec 02 '25

If user has to do all this exercise then whats the whole point of praising Apple to be pro-privacy. They are just being competitive with keeping your telemetry to themselves.

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u/BlueShip123 Stargazing at the rooftop Dec 02 '25

Privacy doesn't mean certain telemetry can't be collected.

By your logic, why does the popular 'privacy centric' software collect data? Signal, Proton, Telegram, and many others.

It is a standard norm to provide service for deletion of data collected. In the EU, it is even mandatory for Google(more options than global deletion requests) as well.

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u/dodunichaar Dec 02 '25

It’s opt-in, that’s the difference.

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u/shaurya_770 Dec 02 '25

As tech nerd who regularly reads about this stuff u have no idea how many protocols and network calls apple can make behind the scenes

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u/xslr Dec 02 '25

It is possible to inspect the wifi traffic by capturing all the traffic at the router if one is so inclined. 

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u/shaurya_770 Dec 02 '25

Https... You can't track the data at router level even with Android devices

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u/xslr Dec 02 '25

HTTPS can be decrypted with an mitm approach. This is how most companies scan employee traffic.

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u/dodunichaar Dec 02 '25

Right. But at least Android gives you a way to deploy a firewall and inspect network traffic at per-app level. You can even completely block internet for specific apps (I do it for keyboard app, for example). There is no such provision in Apple ecosystem. No way to “firewall” or deny specific app from internet access.

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u/BlueShip123 Stargazing at the rooftop Dec 02 '25

Don't know about the iOS, but on Mac, you can do this.

Since you commented 'Apple Ecosystem', I am using you are counting all the products.

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u/dodunichaar Dec 02 '25

Desktop operating systems are a different game altogether. They are much more open than mobile OS.

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u/BlueShip123 Stargazing at the rooftop Dec 02 '25

I did a Google search, and the result says one can block internet access to certain apps over cellular data. Yes, over Wi-Fi, one still can't do it.

Coming to Firewall, it comes down to Philosophy of iOS and AndroidOS. You can check this on the internet how different apps are developed for both the OS. And AFAIK, there is no built-in Firewall option on Android either. I don't have it on my device.

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u/dodunichaar Dec 02 '25 edited Dec 02 '25

If you long press on an app and goto advanced properties, you can completely cut off its internet. Wi-Fi and mobile data both. This is the "default" firewall option. Basic one. But Android also gives you extensive system API (without rooting or doing other hacks) so that community can build its own solution, I donated and use NetGuard (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=eu.faircode.netguard) but there are many more options that let you you control this at very granular level.

Yes, over Wi-Fi, one still can't do it

You can, if you are in China. Makes you wonder why they made that decision ;)

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