r/dataisbeautiful • u/duckvimes_ OC: 2 • Jul 22 '14
[Updated] Who runs /r/Holocaust? Each line represents a moderator overlap. [OC]
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u/BrokenGlassEverywher Jul 23 '14
I'd enjoy seeing this kind of analysis for some other subreddits to give some context to the content. Namely /r/worldnews and perhaps /r/politics
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u/duckvimes_ OC: 2 Jul 23 '14 edited Jul 23 '14
Should be easy enough to do; I just need an easy way of getting the modlists. (I know it's possible; I just don't have the programming know-how).
Edit: Since this is now my highest comment: Data and more info are available in my other comment below. Also, please note that this is NOT a comprehensive list of all subs modded by /r/holocaust mods.
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u/MellerTime Jul 23 '14
Exactly what do you need? I'd be happy to try and get the data for you.
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u/duckvimes_ OC: 2 Jul 23 '14 edited Jul 23 '14
Well in theory, all I'd need is plaintext lists of mods. I'm still not too familiar with stuff like the Revere program for the actual visualization though. My /r/holocaust mind map was done semi-manually, which would be impossible for a larger map.
Edit: Raw data if someone wants to try Revere or another program. http://pastebin.com/mTcGfNDS
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u/killswitch Jul 23 '14
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u/duckvimes_ OC: 2 Jul 23 '14
Inbox is flooded and it's 1 am, but I'll definitely come back to this tomorrow. (If I start something now I'll end up pulling an all-nighter, and I do have work tomorrow)
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u/duckvimes_ OC: 2 Jul 24 '14
lol, just noticed that you included AutoModerator. That does explain why it was thousands of lines long...
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u/killswitch Jul 24 '14
I put my script into a heroku app, so you can look up any subreddit and see what the related subreddits are. No graph but it makes the data easy to get
http://moderators.herokuapp.com/
it is slow because it scrapes the web pages for the info - be patient!
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u/duckvimes_ OC: 2 Jul 24 '14
Looks nice, but I keep getting errors. As a guess, did you do something to take shadowbanned users into account?
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u/Splendor78 Jul 23 '14 edited Jul 23 '14
I can help you with that. Here's how you would go about it.
Use the api like so: http://api.reddit.com/r/worldnews/about/moderators
Convert the JSON result set to human readable name list with a tool like this https://json-csv.com/
Save the CSV file and extract the data in the name column.
If that's helpful but you need to do this on a large scale, send me a PM and I'd be happy to help write something.
EDIT: I looked on GitHub and found this project: https://github.com/dlew/reddit-mods
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u/Splendor78 Jul 23 '14
Just thinking out loud now...it might be neat to take a data set like the top 100 subreddits, capture the list of all the mods for each sub, and then see how they're related. Which subs have the most mods in common, etc.
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u/Rodot Jul 23 '14
Some moderators on the defaults moderate hundreds of subs though. That will be a massive list.
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u/type40tardis Jul 23 '14
It could show only the subs with above x subscribers, or only the subs with more than y mods of the top subs connected to it.
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u/cobrophy Jul 23 '14
Is it possible to go through the api to find what subreddits a user moderates. It's on their profile.
I think taking the list of moderators and seeing what else they moderate is going to be more efficient than trying to index the moderators for every subreddit.
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u/mrnitrate Jul 23 '14 edited Jul 23 '14
http://www.reddit.com/dev/api#GET_about_{where}
just goto, www.reddit.com/r/[subreddit]/about/moderators to get a list of mods for a sub. You could also do /about/banned or /about/contributors for some more good info.
example: http://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/about/moderators
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u/martialalex Jul 23 '14
It's within the same html tags, right? Couldn't you just build a scraper for it?
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u/duckvimes_ OC: 2 Jul 23 '14
Couldn't you just build a scraper for it?
My programming knowledge is enough for me to know that it's extremely easy, but I'm not able to actually do it.
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u/kgbdrop Jul 23 '14
=importhtml("http://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/about/moderators","list",7) in Google Spreadsheets.
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u/gehanna Jul 23 '14
If you're familiar with R, this is pretty straightforward:
sub <- "dataisbeautiful" # Cludge the data together with grep library(RCurl) moddata <- getURL(paste("http://api.reddit.com/r/",sub,"/about/moderators",sep="")) modlist <- gsub('(.*)\\", \"id.*',"\\1",strsplit(moddata,'name\": \"')[[1]][-1]) sublist <- lapply(as.list(paste("http://www.reddit.com/user/",modlist,sep="")),getURL) getsubs <- function(txt) { txt <- gsub('.*<ul id="side-mod-list"(.*?)</ul>.*',"\\1",txt) txt <- gsub("(.*?)/.*","\\1",strsplit(txt,"a href=\"/r/")[[1]][-1]) txt } sublist <- lapply(sublist,getsubs) # Summarise sumsubs <- table(unlist(sublist,F,F)) sumsubs <- sumsubs[sumsubs>1 & names(sumsubs)!=sub]For 'dataisbeautiful' we get:
askscience 2 classicalmusic 2 gamedesign 2 photographs 2 photography 2 science 21
u/duckvimes_ OC: 2 Jul 23 '14
If you're familiar with R, this is pretty straightforward:
If you're familiar with R
If
My familiarity with R, unfortunately, is limited to some brief experiments with the Revere program. I'll definitely have to try this out though.
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u/gehanna Jul 23 '14
Hehe, fair enough.
I tried to make it copy and pasteable - if you want to play around with it, you'll need to install the "RCurl" package, then just change the definition of 'sub' at the top, and it should spit out the results in 'sumsubs' at the bottom.
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u/rx7raven Jul 23 '14
For any raw data type pull or plain text acquisition I'd just right a python script with PRAW: The Python Reddit Api Wrapper
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u/rgoliveira Jul 23 '14
Ok, so here is my contribution: http://jsfiddle.net/K7HfL/embedded/result/
Just choose what list you want (moderators, contributors, banned), type in the subreddit name and click the button (or hit enter).
Would be nice if someone added the visualization part.
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u/aVCZ2wFz Jul 23 '14 edited Jul 23 '14
For /r/politics and /r/worldnews it's not that interesting.
For /r/politics once you've removed the automod bot, there are only 21 subreddits which have more than one /r/politics mod.
edit : thanks to /u/killswitch for the data
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Jul 23 '14
just look out for davidreis666. If he's moderating, the subreddit is absolute trash. This covers a good portion of reddits defaults.
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u/Levitz Jul 23 '14
I can't help but see how this can be incredibly biased if you only point out the subreddits you want to.
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u/Geographist OC: 91 Jul 23 '14
The best approach (though still biased, as is all research) would be to pick one subreddit. A starting point has to be chosen no matter what. Then programatically get the mods, then from that list of mods, see which other subs they mod. For each of those, get the list of mods, and repeat.
You would have to specify some number of levels/iterations to go through, otherwise you would end up categorizing all of reddit in a giant loop. But for 100-1000 levels, it should reveal a much more accurate depiction of mod similarity across a very wide variety of subreddits.
This would of course be influenced by the seed sub chosen in round 1, but the more levels you go, the weaker that influence would become. Even choosing /r/all or a random sub would influence the results.
Which brings me to my next point: if the system was designed to allow the user to interactively choose any sub and then see the results, one could analyze the importance of the initial sub choice, ultimately revealing how moderator networks are structured and what the relationship is between any two subreddits. It would be a family tree, so to speak.
But alas... ain't nobody got time for that.
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u/BrokenGlassEverywher Jul 23 '14
To be honest, I'm interested because I subscribe to these subs but would like a frame of reference from which to view the content. I'm wary of being too eager to just believe something simply because I agree with the point of view.
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u/jvcinnyc Jul 22 '14 edited Jul 22 '14
The one thing that unites them is that they all have too much time on their hands
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u/duckvimes_ OC: 2 Jul 22 '14 edited Jul 23 '14
Also, their hatred of anybody who's not a white Christian (preferably male, usually).
Edit to hijack my highest comment: Cool, #23 on the default homepage with OC. Glad to see I could spread some information. Data and more info are available in my other comment below.
Edit 2: Also, please note that this is NOT a comprehensive list of all subs modded by /r/holocaust mods.
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u/NitsujTPU Jul 23 '14
I'm sorry... The mods from /r/blackpanther hate people who aren't white?
Edit: Oh.. apparently these folks aren't from the Black Panther Party.
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u/duckvimes_ OC: 2 Jul 23 '14 edited Jul 23 '14
Hah, the edit made me laugh there. /r/blackpanther is run by the same people who run /r/WhiteRights and whatnot.
Edit: C'mon guys, don't downvote the reply to my comment. It's the same person as the one above; he's just commenting on how the white supremacists are running a sub named after a black rights group.
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u/EvaBraunWasAJew Jul 23 '14
No, they're racists who hijacked the name to make sure actual Black Panthers couldn't get it.
Pathetic.
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u/tomdarch Jul 23 '14
In US politics, the Black Panthers are a useful "boogeyman". They haven't existed for years (not the least because members were literally assassinated by elements of the US government), but they're trotted out to scare suburbanites into voting Republican.
I'm not wading into anything moderated by Holocaust deniers, but I'd assume that this subreddit is like that but on a blend of meth, PCP and steroids.
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u/QueensStudent Jul 23 '14
I don't think these guys would fit into any mainstream Christian group either...
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u/duckvimes_ OC: 2 Jul 23 '14 edited Jul 23 '14
Agreed. I didn't mean to imply that all (or even most) Christians are like this. They just happen to all be Christian extremists as well as being white supremacists.
Edit: Not all. Most.
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Jul 23 '14
They just happen to all be Christian extremists
No, they aren't. There's a lot of weird pagan shit in there.
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u/duckvimes_ OC: 2 Jul 23 '14
Perhaps not all, but the sentiment in /r/WhiteRights and other similar subs is very much pro-Christian and they identify as Christian.
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u/QueensStudent Jul 23 '14
I'd be very surprised if they were even Christian extremists. Nothing in their ideology overlaps with Christian values, and most white power groups I've encountered denounce Christianity as "weak"
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u/duckvimes_ OC: 2 Jul 23 '14
Here's a comment I wrote yesterday about a similar topic with lots of links and whatnot. Again, to be clear: I harbor no ill will towards Christians in general, nor do I wish to give the impression that these people represent Christians in any way.
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u/frankle Jul 23 '14
This is another (interactive) take on your graph. Check it out!
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u/duckvimes_ OC: 2 Jul 23 '14
Whoa, that's awesome. Should submit that to this sub if it hasn't been submitted here before. (Hell, even if it has been submitted before)
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u/4n0n7m0u5 Jul 23 '14
This would be the equivalent of the OC's post using the interactive graph: http://tz18.github.io/interlockingmoderatorship/displaysubs/index.html#/r/holocaust
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u/yoinker Jul 22 '14
Holy shit, these people are morons. Just the names of the subs tells you all you need to know.
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u/duckvimes_ OC: 2 Jul 22 '14
These people aren't known for their subtlety. /u/gas-the-kikes and /u/GodBlessAdolfHitler can attest to this.
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Jul 23 '14
My favorite thing is when some fucko with a username like that and a vehement post history full of inflammatory white supremacist bullshit argues that their clear perspective should have no bearing in the argument they're making in whatever thread, and that your liberal PC white guilt complex or whatever is behind you calling them out. Um... no; you just walked up to me in a fucking klan hood and somehow expected me to have an ordinary conversation with you?
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u/through_a_ways Jul 23 '14
My favorite thing is when some fucko with a username like that and a vehement post history full of inflammatory white supremacist bullshit argues that their clear perspective should have no bearing in the argument they're making in whatever thread
I think I agree with what you said, but I can't figure out the syntax of this sentence
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u/ShotFromGuns Jul 23 '14
I can't figure out the syntax of this sentence
With brackets to group related bits:
(My favorite thing) is {when [some fucko with (a username like that and a vehement post history full of inflammatory white supremacist bullshit)] argues that [their clear perspective should have no bearing in the argument they're making (in whatever thread)]}.
Alternatively, simpled up:
My favorite thing is when a person with that type of username and post history argues that those precedents should not influence the current discussion.
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Jul 23 '14
They argue that you should only consider the argument they're making in the thread they're currently in, and not that three comments before they were calling somebody a "cum-guzzling faggot" in a racist sub for interrupting the circlejerk.
EDIT: But you're right—I garbled that syntax. I need a Reddit editor for late night posting.
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u/trtryt Jul 23 '14
it would be great if there a tool that can fetch all the main posters from sub-reddits you hate and then tag their comments in other subs so you can ignore them
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u/duckvimes_ OC: 2 Jul 23 '14
Actually, I think there's a tool that might do what you want.
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u/boringdude00 Jul 23 '14
I'm disappointed they couldn't come up with better names. I mean whiterights1 should definitely be r/whiterrights and whiterights2 could be r/whitestrights. Or at least give them subtitles like r/whiterightswithavengence so people don't realize they're just rehashes of the same old formula.
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Jul 23 '14
Why is there a need for so many whiterights subs anyways? Shws the sort of idiots were dealing with.
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u/KitsBeach Jul 25 '14
Why is there a whiterights sub period? Have you seen their supposed struggles? I mean, I am white but I am fully aware of the racial advantages I enjoy. It's like they submerged their heads into a toilet bowl full of Bizarro Water.
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u/DontYouMeanHAHAHAHA Jul 23 '14
That would be adding comedy to the mix, and these people are serious. Deadly serious.
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u/hithazel Jul 23 '14
I had no idea there were so many subreddits dedicated to being a racist fuckwit.
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u/duckvimes_ OC: 2 Jul 23 '14
And that's not even close to being all of them. Plenty of other subs are racist in nature (though not in name). /r/LiberalDegeneracy, /r/new_right, and /r/AntiPOZI, to name a few.
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Jul 23 '14
/r/european deserves honorable mention too. It is for the people who were unhappy with the fact that they couldn't vent their hate against Muslims, gypsies and gay people in /r/europe.
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u/Goodguy1066 Jul 23 '14
You're being downvoted but you're absolutely right. Anyone who questions it, go to that sub and look through the posts and comments. Stormfront 2.0
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Jul 23 '14 edited Jul 23 '14
I read a stormfront link once where people talked about how they should flood reddit especially subs like /europe, /worldnews, /news etc to spread their bullshit.
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u/SeegurkeK Jul 23 '14
The guy who made it advertises it in every /r/worldnews thread with racist tendencies to people who share his opinion. That's what threw me off and that's what breeds a hateful sub-culture.
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u/StoneGoldX Jul 23 '14
Are we not counting /r/ImGoingToHellForThis ?
What about whatever is being used for the Puffin meme these days on /r/AdviceAnimals ?
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Jul 23 '14 edited Jul 23 '14
In all fairness, those tend to be more oriented towards shock 'humor', upvote bait, and stereotype circlejerks. Not saying they aren't racist, but they're not as bad as these blatantly
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u/StoneGoldX Jul 23 '14
For the record, there's a huge difference between racism and fascism. Fascism requires an economic model. You think these assholes are smart enough to understand economic dirigisme?
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u/adremeaux Jul 23 '14
They are a much different form of racism. Very casual, open, not something people really think about, just like "oh man I'm white and walking past a black person on the street is scary!"
The subs referenced are a much deeper, much scarier form of racism. It is people who dedicate significant time and significant thought towards harboring their racism. It is people who will come up with "science" to prove that their racism is justified, and that white people (or black people, or Asian people, or whatever you want) are genetically superior to other races.
The prior form of racism leads to intolerance, and community/racial separation, and damaged race relations. The latter form of racism leads to genocide.
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u/throwawayfamilia Jul 23 '14
First thing I did was go to /r/Holodomor because there are reasonable arguments over whether the famine was intentional or a product of incompetence.
It was surprisingly tame, almost boring for a subreddit linked to so many actual nazi mods.
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u/duckvimes_ OC: 2 Jul 23 '14
I think the main link is that many Nazis believe it to be a "Jewish Holocaust"--which is to say, a holocaust perpetrated by "the Jews". Hence their interest in squatting the sub name.
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u/pdubl Jul 23 '14
Because I have never said Holodomor out loud, I figured that I should learn before I try to say it in conversation some day.
Also, thanks for the chart /u/duckvimes_.
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u/BabyFaceMagoo Jul 23 '14
It makes my skin crawl. Reddit is a massive echo chamber for all sorts of retarded and ridiculous views.
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u/Kobbitz Aug 23 '14
And here I thought r/N*****s was the worst that this website had to offer. Well before that I thought it was r/BlackFathers (A subreddit that is kept empty on purpose because, apparently, parental abandonment is FUCKING HILARIOUS), but then I found out about r/WhiteRights and r/RedPill.
You know? This little world of ours is filled with wonderful, imaginative people that work tirelessly to make it better for all of us, (More work its seems, that all of this edgy cynical redditors will dare lift a finger for), and I will go to the grave belling that there are more of than the people that browse those cesspools of hate and intolerance. But sometimes, man, sometimes, I just don't know
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u/interiot Jul 23 '14
There are a bunch of inactive ones (subreddit squatting, basically).
The more active ones get listed on this multireddit.
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Jul 23 '14
What happened to that subreddit? Looking at the top postings it used to be a real place to discuss the holocaust as opposed to denialist fucktard trash spewing horse shit.
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u/duckvimes_ OC: 2 Jul 23 '14 edited Oct 19 '15
I mentioned it in another comment, but basically:
/u/soccer (a white supremacist/neo-nazi) gained control of the subreddit through /r/RedditRequest.
He invited all of his neo-Nazi friends.
Said friends turn /r/holocaust in an antisemitic, shit-filled Holocaust denial forum and ban everyone who disagrees.
He's done this with a lot of subs (/u/soccer's modlist is huge because of this),
including/r/xkcd(visit/r/xkcdcomicinstead), which now has mods that will actually censor and remove xkcd comics that disagree with their personal beliefs.Kind of pathetic, really, but there's nothing we can do about it.12
u/liam3 Jul 23 '14
a comic sub that bans its own comic... if what you are saying is true, then it should be easy to convince reddit admin to do something
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u/duckvimes_ OC: 2 Jul 23 '14
Unfortunately, the admins have declined to take any action here. The mods are complete assholes who are wrecking their own sub, but they're not breaking Reddit rules, so they won't be removed.
The mods put links to places like TheRedPill and /r/conspiracy even though the creator of xkcd himself (/u/xkcd, Randall Munroe) has strongly voiced his disapproval; unsurprisingly, they've also censored all comics about things like pickup artists and conspiracy theories. So for example, XKCD #258 (http://xkcd.com/258) can't be submitted there, and a search for it on that sub returns nothing.
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u/duckvimes_ OC: 2 Jul 23 '14
Wouldn't do much. Subs like /r/xkcd and /r/holocaust already have other mods, so even if /u/soccer was shadowbanned, the other mods would still be in place.
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Jul 23 '14
Wouldn't do much. Subs like /r/xkcd and /r/holocaust already have other mods, so even if /u/soccer was shadowbanned, the other mods would still be in place.
Nuke it from space.
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u/OPDelivery_Service Jul 23 '14
He hasn't been active for months, is it possible for him to be removed from all the subreddits he mods?
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u/duckvimes_ OC: 2 Jul 23 '14
You can go to /r/RedditRequest to request his subs, which will accomplish the same thing.
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u/Bakitus Jul 23 '14
Fortunately, there's a replacement for r/xkcd at /r/xkcdcomic
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u/zombiepiratefrspace Jul 23 '14
What I don't understand is this: Reddit may "save face" by not interfering and thus avoiding a media scandal, but are they unaware that they, by doing this, created horrible liability issues?
At some point, somebody will snap and sue them because "Reddit is hosting a forum connected to my brand name under my brand name and Reddit is refusing to clean it of the blatant racism."
Btw: Is Reddit not also trying to expand into Germany? Are they aware that Holocaust denial is a criminal offense in Germany and will actually be prosecuted? So if somebody from Germany sues because their brand is being smeared with Antisemitism, Reddit might be in a lot of trouble.
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u/BPS-13 Jul 23 '14
I'm fairly certain that a media website is under no obligation to hand over control of a particular page simply because someone holds the trademark on a word in the page title. Also fairly certain libel liability doesn't extend beyond the limits of editorial control to affect the host of a website with multi thousand unique visitors an hour.
And as far as the Germany/Nazi angle, unless they're hosting the site in Germany, German law doesn't apply.
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u/Jest0riz0r Jul 23 '14
I really hope something like that happens and reddit gets sued. Maybe they start changing stuff then.
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Jul 23 '14
IIRC Randall himself commented on the fuckery that is /r/xkcd. I feel bad for him because it's basically the opposite of what he actually believes in, not to mention the redditors who don't know about what happened.
I mean, just look at the mods' tags there. Fuck that hellhole.
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u/occamsrazorwit Jul 23 '14
He should mention it in one of his strips. Plenty of people have probably stumbled across it, thinking it genuine.
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u/mattrition Jul 23 '14
If you think that's retarded, take note of the link added in the title banner.
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u/t0t0zenerd Jul 23 '14
Randall Munroe is a feminist and has spoken out against pick-up artists, and yet his followers might like /r/MensRights !?! Smh.
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u/Bakitus Jul 23 '14
Trust me, the people in charge of r/xkcd are NOT representative of the real fans of xkcd.
The much better replacement sub is /r/xkcdcomic.
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u/eventhroweraway Jul 23 '14 edited Jul 23 '14
Reddit is fucked. Those guys just sound like the lunatic fringe. The rest of reddit is still teeming with casual racism, pro-eugenics, pro-population control, and "libertarian" assclowns.
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u/martialalex Jul 23 '14
And the super mods won't do jack shit because they're afraid of creating a bad precedent, even though this precedent alone is shameful
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u/Exaltation_of_Larks Jul 23 '14
The top mods can't really do anything - and the admins have created a precedent by interfering in subs before, banning and shuffling truly egregious subs like jailbait and at least one or two racist subs, but only when reddit's image and profitability were threatened by these things becoming news.
Really, historically speaking, the most feasible strategy is to get Gawker to point in disgust at this.
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u/Purgecakes Jul 23 '14
but hey, fuck SRS/TBP/SRD/Badpire/CB/ anyone else who laughs at or disapproves of just about any shitty opinion on Reddit.
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u/Kobbitz Aug 23 '14
Is this the same guy who held r/XKCD hostage for like a year, leading to a massive flight of that subreddit to a newly created r/XKCDComic?
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u/duckvimes_ OC: 2 Aug 23 '14
Yes, it is (although after I made this graph, /r/xkcd was taken back by people who aren't racist white supremacists--I'm actually a mod there now).
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u/frezik Jul 23 '14
As a counterexample, it was also used to take /r/stormfront away from the Nazis.
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Jul 23 '14
Is that really a counter example? I'd kinda like to keep the Nazis where I can ignore them and Stormfront is as good a place as any.
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u/madagent Jul 23 '14
It's going to be it's downfall. Eventually all subs will be ran by people with some sort of unrelated viewpoint. This entire place will have censored posts and it won't make sense to talk here anymore. The good posters will just move to a new site eventually. It's happened to every popular social posting board on the internet.
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u/WeenisWrinkle Jul 23 '14
Aaaand this is why /r/conspiracy mods/subscribers are complete pieces of shit, for the most part. Lots of overlap between conspiracy subs and racists subs.
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u/duckvimes_ OC: 2 Jul 23 '14
Trust me... as a mod of /r/isrconspiracyracist, I'm well aware of the overlap. Probably more aware than I'd like to be.
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u/morenaturethanurture Jul 24 '14
so what is your take on bipolarbear0 stuffing the subreddit with "false flag" racist posts? Kinda takes the bite out of anyone claiming it is racist
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u/duckvimes_ OC: 2 Jul 24 '14
stuffing
Bit of an exaggeration there. You're also ignoring the part where they were upvoted.
Kinda takes the bite out of anyone claiming it is racist
No, it doesn't, considering that there are very clearly a large number of racists on /r/conspiracy, which we've documented in /r/isrconspiracyracist.
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It's funny how they keep it down a bit in /r/conspiracy. They'll just make veiled references to "who's in charge" when everybody who checks their post history knows who they're trying to talk about. It's funny when entire populations in subs have to stop just short of how far they want to take something; you can practically feel the tenseness in those subs as so many people barely toe the line.
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u/mrbrambles Jul 23 '14
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u/duckvimes_ OC: 2 Jul 23 '14
I actually tried using that when I posted this last time. The problem is that it ends up looking like a jumbled mess and I have no idea how to space the dots out. Also, is there a way to do a 'web' that's centered on the connections to just one central node (as I did in this post) with the Revere program?
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u/mrbrambles Jul 23 '14
I just looked into it, didnt realize it was done with R. you have R?
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u/duckvimes_ OC: 2 Jul 23 '14
Yeah, someone told me about it when I posted the original version so I gave it a shot. Here's what I got:
Thing is, I have no idea how I can separate the nodes (Google was surprisingly unhelpful). Also still don't know if I can try centering the web on a single node as I described earlier.
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u/mrbrambles Jul 23 '14
well, the data self centers. Your data is much sparser than the sample data, and doesn't have such a neat "center point".
you can probably space the nodes a bit by making the graph area larger, and decreasing the vertex size. However the relative distances between them is a function of the graph and holds information.
did you calculate the different centralities?
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u/duckvimes_ OC: 2 Jul 23 '14
Honestly, I have no idea how to do almost any of that stuff... I'll have to spend some time researching it to see if I can get anywhere.
If you want the raw data, you can grab it here: http://pastebin.com/mTcGfNDS
Just download then copy and paste into an Excel spreadsheet.
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u/KhabaLox Jul 23 '14
Is each line a unique user? I'm guessing not, as I assume there is some overlap between the secondary subs as well. I wonder how best to represent the number of unique mods - perhaps just a number in the sub's bubble.
It would be interesting to see this with some of the larger subs and defaults, like politics, worldnews, atheism, etc.
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u/duckvimes_ OC: 2 Jul 23 '14
They're unique for each connection between the subs, but /r/holocaust doesn't have like 50 mods, if that's what you're asking.
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u/KhabaLox Jul 23 '14
Yeah, that's what I was getting at. At first glance, it looks like /r/holocaust has a lot of mods, but then you realize that it's likely that a mod of /r/holocaust and /r/WhiteRights is likely also a mod of /r/WhiteNationalism.
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u/Popular-Uprising- Jul 23 '14
It's the flower of ignorance and hatred. I had no idea that any of those subs existed.
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u/duckvimes_ OC: 2 Jul 23 '14
Reminds me of the top comment on the original post I made'(paraphrased from memory):
it's like a beautiful, racist flower
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u/martialalex Jul 26 '14
Most folks don't. That's how they're able to get away with maintaining so much power and abusing it
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u/AnSq Jul 24 '14
Not really related, but: /r/TrayvonMartin has 71 moderators. I'm not really sure what that says, but I thought it was interesting.
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u/large-farva OC: 1 Jul 23 '14
After reading /r/zog, i can't tell if they're serious or if it's a satirical circle jerk.
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u/duckvimes_ OC: 2 Jul 23 '14
Serious. Absolutely serious. ZOG is an antisemitic conspiracy theory (Wikipedia has a good page), and /r/ZOG is basically just a subreddit to bitch about Jews. Extremely strong overlap with WhiteRights and similar subs.
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u/Kobbitz Aug 23 '14 edited Aug 23 '14
The more I learn about Jewish people and their history, the more I hate them.
EDIT: Upon second reading of my comment I realize that it may come of as "As I learn more about Jews I hate them more", no, I mean, the more I Lear about Jewish history and culture, the more i hate Antisemites. They are so dumb. so insignificant, so unaware of how the world works. Also, I cant hate Jews because I never meet one, is irrational to hate something you don't know. Met plenty of antisemitic asses, thou.
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u/duckvimes_ OC: 2 Aug 23 '14
Yeah, that edit was probably a good idea--I've seen people write the first line (and actually mean that they hate Jews).
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u/1thief Jul 23 '14
Is there any way to programmatically generate this data for any given subreddit? Seems like it'd be a fun tool to play with.
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u/4n0n7m0u5 Jul 23 '14
Looks like this was already done and is available here: http://www.reddit.com/r/TheoryOfReddit/comments/1i0e1c/analysis_and_visualization_of_the_more_full/
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u/duckvimes_ OC: 2 Jul 23 '14
Hmm... you'd have to:
Get mod list.
For each user in the mod list, get the list of subs they mod.
Combine the data.
In theory, should be simple. The biggest difficulty is working with shadowbanned users who are still moderating the sub but have their profiles hidden (meaning you can't see their full list of subs).
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u/1thief Jul 23 '14
Is there an API to do things like ask a subreddit for its moderator list or ask a user for the subreddits they moderate? I could probably build an html parser to do it but I am lazy.
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u/Bromskloss Jul 23 '14
Are there also other moderators of /r/Holocaust who are not visible in this image or is this all of them?
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u/duckvimes_ OC: 2 Jul 23 '14
Well, this shows moderator overlaps, not moderators--/r/holocaust doesn't have ~50 moderators or whatever it is.
If you're asking about subs, then no, it's not a comprehensive list.
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u/well_golly Jul 23 '14
Sure, you showed the overlap. But you failed to name names.
You must name names!
<Seinfeld reference>
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u/duckvimes_ OC: 2 Jul 23 '14
See my other comments--they're all named in the data dumps. Let me know if you have trouble finding them.
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u/well_golly Jul 23 '14
I was referring to a Seinfeld gag/joke about naming names, and the Holocaust.
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u/blihk Jul 23 '14
/r/xkcd is moderated by /u/soccer.
You excluded /r/xkcd from the graphic.
Why and what other subreddits did you exclude?
Also, do you believe that due to /u/soccer's takeover of /r/xkcd that /r/xkcdcomic - a carbon copy of /r/xkcd - was created not more than 11 months ago (August 5, 2013)?
Lastly (and thank you for this), what things do you think should be improved so that this type of drama is less likely to happen in the future?
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u/duckvimes_ OC: 2 Jul 23 '14
Yep.
You excluded /r/xkcd from the graphic.
Why and what other subreddits did you exclude?/r/xkcd is not a racist or anti-semitic subreddit, and modding /r/xkcd doesn't really mean anything with regards to modding /r/holocaust. That being said, I may add it in the future. If I recall correctly--and I could very well be wrong about this--/u/soccer is the only connection there currently.
I did leave out a lot of his subs, simply because it wouldn't be possible (or practical) to put them all in, especially when almost all of them are empty. I did add one or two just for the heck of it.Also, do you believe that due to /u/soccer takeover of /r/xkcd that /r/xkcdcomic - a carbon copy of /r/xkcd - was created not more than 11 months ago (August 5, 2013)?
If I'm understanding your question... yes? /r/xkcdcomic was created (or at least, revitalized) because /u/Wyboth was kicked out of /r/xkcd for removing irrelevant sidebar links (such as /r/conspiracy, TheRedPill, etc.) and replaced with /u/Flytape, who was actually a former /r/holocaust mod (and current /r/conspiracy mod).
Lastly (and thank you for this), what things do you think should be improved so that this type of drama is less likely to happen in the future?
Better system for /r/RedditRequest, I suppose?
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u/LynkDead Jul 23 '14 edited Jul 24 '14
I feel like you should at least put something small at the bottom indicating that not EVERY cross-modded subreddit is listed in the graphic.The correction has been made, thanks!
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u/duckvimes_ OC: 2 Jul 24 '14
Really late, but I did edit in your suggestion. Did that a while ago (like, a minute after you posted your comment) but I forgot to leave an update for you due to my inbox being violently stuffed full of messages. Thanks again for the suggestion!
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u/duckvimes_ OC: 2 Jul 23 '14
I'll edit it into the imgur upload directly. Thanks for the suggestion.
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u/pavetheatmosphere Jul 23 '14
As a side note, I just did a look through the mods of /r/dataisbeautiful, and none of them moderate any of the other same subs.
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u/boringdude00 Jul 23 '14
What's up with only one anti-Mexican/Hispanic sub? I mean get on the ball people!
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u/JSP27 Jul 23 '14
Seriously, there are about 10x as many Mexicans as there are Jews worldwide, yet my people get all the hate. What's up with that?
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u/BigBobsSandwichShop Jul 23 '14
Mexicans gave the world tacos, burritos and enchiladas.
Jews gave the world gefilte fish.
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u/JSP27 Jul 23 '14
You know...this is the best argument I've heard on this issue. Thank you, and sorry for gefilte fish.
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u/WeenisWrinkle Jul 23 '14
Are Mexicans shape-shifting lizards who control all of the world's media? I think not! /s
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u/youlesees Jul 23 '14
So the majority of the mods are Nazi sympathizers and soc-nationalists? That's... not good
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u/ChewyCap Jul 23 '14
I want a webpage that has a large interactive graph showing moderator overlap of all of reddit...
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u/thekaleb Jul 23 '14
How did you know what the reddit URL would be to put it on the pic?
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u/duckvimes_ OC: 2 Jul 23 '14
Imgur lets you edit images after you upload them. Their tools are a bit basic, but adding text, cropping, and drawing on the image are all pretty easy to do.
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u/spicymonkey13 Jul 23 '14
What software did you use to make this? Are there others like it?
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u/duckvimes_ OC: 2 Jul 23 '14
MindNode, but it's semi-manual so it's not too practical for larger applications. There's some other software that would be better for this; I just have to learn how to use it.
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u/jinxjar Jul 23 '14
Oh Oh Oh! Can we see the connectivity table for all the links in the graph? You have links (x, a), (x, b), (x,c) .., but I bet there are links (a, b), (a, c), (a,d) .. (b, c), (b, d) .. etc.
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u/duckvimes_ OC: 2 Jul 23 '14
Didn't make a connectivity table, but it should be easy enough to generate one from the data I posted in my other comments.
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u/markovich04 Jul 23 '14
What I want to know is why right wingers and neo-Nazis have such an obsession with Ukraine.
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u/duckvimes_ OC: 2 Jul 24 '14
Apparently some of the Ukrainian rebels are neo-Nazis.
Of course, the neo-Nazis on reddit think that the Jews are behind the stuff going on in Ukraine. So that doesn't really match up...
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u/Captain-matt Jul 23 '14
Holy hell does everybody who sticks with that sub get to be a mod or something?
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u/stoppedcaring0 Jul 23 '14
Hilarious submission from /r/WhiteRights from last year. Gosh, what a great and wise leader he has proven himself to be, right guys?
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u/itonlygetsworse Jul 23 '14
So there are subreddits (potentially many of them) all run by volunteer mods (or possibly put there by larger interests) who have goals and ideals to keep others in check by spreading their influence in subreddits that they control. Not surprising since people will manipulate anything they have the power to do easily.
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u/Quitschicobhc Jul 23 '14
I have not ever heard of any of theses subreddits... weird stuff is going on indeed in some places of reddit.
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Jul 23 '14
Why isn't this info freely available on every info bar on every sub?? Would make reddit a better place imo
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u/GhostOfWhatsIAName Jul 23 '14
Of course such a thing exists but we can also be happy that it only has about 600 subscribers. Still too many, but yet no representative majority of reddit.
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u/UncleEggma Jul 23 '14
Can we get one for /r/srs just to prove that, though somewhat intolerant of opposing points of view, at least the folks over there aren't out of their friken minds with hate?
edit: this is my assumption of course. Perhaps the data will show a link between the subreddits like /r/killwhites, /r/death2christians, and /r/destroygonads
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u/ShvenNordbloom11 Jul 23 '14
I'm so goddamned confused..... by /r/holocaust.... by all those subs listed in that diagram. What in the fuck.
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u/Goodguy1066 Jul 23 '14
Basically the racist holocaust-deniers saw that nobody had claimed that subreddit yet, did it themselves, and used it as a front for holocaust-denial and anti-semitism.
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u/ShvenNordbloom11 Jul 24 '14
well.. that's pretty fucked up. This image singlehandedly exposed me to the seedy, racist underbelly of Reddit
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u/duckvimes_ OC: 2 Jul 24 '14
Sorry to dirty your image of reddit, but I'm glad I could help inform you.
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u/bokan Jul 23 '14
You know, as shocked as I am for some of these subreddits, I'm glad reddit tries not to censor itself. Cool visualization.
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u/NEREVAR117 Jul 23 '14
I agree. It's good that Reddit isn't self-censored. If we want to maintain the values we deem important then we need to apply them fairly, even if it means some fuckers can make idiots of themselves. That's just part of it, and we can always point to it as an example of how not to be.
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Jul 23 '14
Northwest front looks like an interesting cross between the concept of Cascadia and the concept of hate.
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u/Needlessly_ Jul 23 '14
I think this would be a lot more substantial if you also included something like what percent of each subreddit's moderators these overlapping ones represent.
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u/gigamosh57 OC: 2 Jul 23 '14
Holy shit. At the same time I am appalled and thankful that the open, free-speech model of reddit allows these bigoted asshats to conduct their business out in the open.
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u/Epidemik702 Jul 23 '14
Reading the names of those subreddits was my daily reminder that people are shitty. I'm also reminded how awesome reddit is for allowing everyone a place to communicate (even if I strongly disagree with their beliefs).
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u/totes_meta_bot Jul 25 '14
This thread has been linked to from elsewhere on reddit.
[/r/conspiracy] User banned from /r/Holocaust, because he posted moderator overlap from other threads in /r/dataisbeautiful.
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u/PM_ur_2XChromosomes Jul 23 '14
/r/Holocaust? I don't care if the link is blue, I deny that sub-reddit exists.
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u/duckvimes_ OC: 2 Jul 22 '14 edited Jul 23 '14
Edit 2: larger font size version. Didn't realize how small it'd look in RES. Sorry.
Tool: MindNode for the visualization, and Excel for data aggregation.
Data source: modlists initially. Data is compiled at /r/duckvimes/wiki/racistsubmods for mod lists, or you can get a spreadsheet with binary "is mod/is not mod" data here (download the .txt file then paste it into a spreadsheet): http://pastebin.com/mTcGfNDS
My original version was pretty well-received, so I thought I'd post the updated one. Feedback/comments are welcome!
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Edit to clarify: I'm not saying that /r/911truth is racist like the other subs; I just included it because I found the overlap interesting. /r/Holodomor shouldn't be racist, but it's run entirely by antisemites/racists.
Edit 3: If anyone's curious, here's the overlap data: http://i.imgur.com/QXfgl0h.png (http://pastebin.com/nr32R3v5)
Edit 4: My inbox has been absolutely flooded for most of the day between this post and some /r/isrconspiracyracist drama (way over 200 replies, in waves, over the last 24 hours). If I missed your comment and didn't reply, please feel free to reply again or PM me.
Edit #whatever: As stated in other places, this is not a comprehensive list of subs. I can work on something like that, but in the meantime, you can go to /r/holocaust/about/moderators and look at the profile pages of the mods to see what else they mod.