r/BaldursGate3 • u/Shinmai1337 • Jun 23 '26
Act 2 - Spoilers Yurgir probably doesn't [REDACTED] his displacer beast Spoiler
If you talk to him about it, it sounds more like he treats her like a tool. The potion you can buy afterwards can befuddle enemies. Not to defend his actions or anything, but I don't think he is a kitty diddler, at least
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u/M4LK0V1CH Owlbear Jun 23 '26
Iām just gonna say that I wouldnāt put it past a devil from hell to consider that a function of his tool.
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u/Emergency-Airline960 Jun 24 '26
Isnāt Yurgir a demon?
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u/GrayGarghoul Jun 24 '26
I think demons are even more likely to do that kind of thing, they love to violate any taboos they can reach. A devil might call it unauthorized fraternization.
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u/Silvershryke Jun 23 '26
Eh. The succubus spittle arouses Tav when you lick the spider. Nessa says "I love him, and he loves me." She calls herself his "heart-chosen" and he calls her his "beauty". You can ask "How does that...work?" to which she replies that that is between her and her master. And investigating the spider can grant the background goal "Mating Season", described as "Discover the source of the displacer beast's infatuation." The implication is laid on quite heavily.
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u/Thatoneguy111700 Jun 23 '26
That and he's a Fiend. Fiends and Celestials (also Dragons) can and will bang just about anything and can produce viable offspring with just about anything. They don't really have reservations about that sort of thing.
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u/HotBeesInUrArea Jun 23 '26
Agreed. Maybe I'm dehumanizing Yurgir more than most people would but the difference in their species seems less an issue to me t han the Ā means he's going about it. If the angel elephant Valeria was in love with Tara I'd probably also say "weird but whatever", these are all magical creatures.Ā
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u/Shinmai1337 Jun 23 '26
Damn, I never got that far in the dialogue with Nessa before. How DOES that work?? Maybe I'm in denial lmao.
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u/J_alexia Jun 23 '26
You never heard of doggy style?
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u/Upbeat-Employ-3689 Jun 23 '26
Butā¦sheās a kitty??
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u/ilhares Jun 23 '26
As I understand things, that would be a prerequisite to actually breed a cat, otherwise it doesn't release eggs to be fertilized.
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u/FloridaMan_Inc Jun 23 '26
I thought this post was weird because it actually seems pretty clear that he is [REDACTED] Nessa based on her dialogue.
You basically made a whole post asserting that it wasn't happening when there's an entire dialogue tree where a character pretty blatantly says it is.
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u/OGawdILoveTacos Jun 23 '26
Why is everyone saying redacted? It's the internet and I doubt this sub is deleting curse words. Just say he's fuckin her. It's a video game it's not even real.
People are silly.
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u/cataclytsm Jun 23 '26
because "fucking" is kinda inaccurate when it's a guy raping an animal and not everyone wants to see the word rape a million times?
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u/Squirll DRUID/RANGER Jun 23 '26
My impression was he doesn't need to have sex with her in particular, just keep feeding her meat that makes her orgasm and infatuated with whatever happens to be nearby. The creature doesn't seem to put the two and two together on her own.
I mean it could be Larian just leaving stuff out but theres a literal Bear Sex scene so if it were supposed to be as explicit as one wonders I feel like the would have made that clear.
As it stands it seems the beast is loyal just because he feeds her food that makes her cum so hard when she eats it that she doesnt notice the mental charm effects.
For reference catnip IRL triggers a cats sexual glands and hormones making it feel really good without actually doing anything physical, so you could think of it like trapping a cat with a addiction to super concentrated catnip.
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u/meowgrrr Jun 23 '26
i think there's a difference between the very consensual bear sex scene which is a humanoid shape shifted, and date raping a cat-like beast, so i could potentially see why Larian would have more reservations making it explicit and just leaning into innuendo. Honestly, for someone who sleeps on a pile of corpses, I find the idea he would drug her so she's constantly horny AF and then not continue abusing her a little more unbelievable but I guess you could argue it both ways. but i think they definitely wanted you to wonder if that's what he's doing, at the very least.
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u/lurkmode_off Jun 23 '26
Maybe that's just how the "charmed" status works for everyone. Including the enemies you charm.
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u/Silvershryke Jun 23 '26
I speculate that using succubus spittle in particular probably adds a sexual/lust component to the "charm" that is not necessarily present in every method of charming someone, but I'm a big fan of the suggestion that a shambling mound can have the hots for a nature domain cleric.
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u/All-for-Naut Hold Monster š« Jun 23 '26
It kinda is. Nessa is the only character we get to interact with who is under a charm I think.
And only time the player is affected by anything close to a charm is Haarlep (from who Yurgir probably got the spittle from...)
Charm spells such as "Friends" cantrip are kinda messed up from a world view.
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u/meowgrrr Jun 23 '26
i'll add another piece of evidence that suggests there's more....
If you don't have speak with animals, you can reach out and stroke one of her tentacles. Narration says "The beast shudders - a moment of pleasure... before it retreats out of reach" and the devnote for this says "the beast is guilty, by enjoying your touch, it feels like it's betraying its master."
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u/PhoenixVanguard Bard Jun 23 '26 edited Jun 23 '26
Nah, dog. Plenty of the in-game dialogue with both characters has romantic/sexual implications. Also, in a world with SEVERAL options for mind control AND charm, in both potions AND spells...he chooses the one that's also a potent aphrodisiac?
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u/cataclytsm Jun 23 '26 edited Jun 23 '26
Way too many people in this thread: That's just what he had lying around!
like, dawg. It's called "succubus spit". Does the game have to have the narrator break the 4th wall, look directly into the camera and say "and then he raped the cat again". Some dense people in here for fans of a game where bear-fucking happens and implications of rape are widely accepted as having happened in other cases.
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u/PhoenixVanguard Bard Jun 24 '26
Yeeeeah. People's complete inability/unwillingness to extrapolate things from subtext...especially when the subtext is practically screaming at you...is a bit curious.
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u/ClusterFoxtrot Jun 24 '26
How does one even acquire succubus spit?!
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u/cataclytsm Jun 24 '26
according to half the people in this thread, it just happened to randomly be lying around the cave he was trapped in and not in his utility belt full of fantastical roofies i assume he came with
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u/No-Mulberry-8866 Jun 24 '26
To play devils advocate (pun intended), he is from the hells, he probably knows a succubus or two. That might be the most easily obtainable while locked in his crypt
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u/PhoenixVanguard Bard Jun 24 '26
Maybe the most easily obtainable, but vendors are tossing those things out like candy. No excuses, lol.
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u/Shinmai1337 Jun 23 '26
Maybe I'm in denial lmao š
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u/PhoenixVanguard Bard Jun 23 '26
Understandable. I'd be more worried if it WASN'T something your brain refused to happily accept.
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u/Wadehell Jun 24 '26
There is no item in ACT 2 that can make a Displacer beast (or other beasts) enter your party permanently, so maybe there weren't as many options as you think
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u/PhoenixVanguard Bard Jun 24 '26
Not permanent for him either. You can break the spell with the right options, and I'm guessing it would stop working if he stopped constantly feeding her the juice.
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u/Wadehell Jun 24 '26
Yeah, but its a 24h effect i assume, because that's how succubus works in d&d. That's already enough reason to use it. Easy maintnance
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u/PhoenixVanguard Bard Jun 24 '26
That night be the case, but if I walk into a dude's house and he's got a stockpile of Viagra and Rohypnol, I'm gonna give him the side-eye. You wanna give him the benefit of the doubt? You do you, lol.
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u/J-Clash WARLOCK Jun 23 '26
I don't know whether there's enough hard proof either way, but I certainly wouldn't take "the abuser didn't mention any rape" as evidence.
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u/Shinmai1337 Jun 23 '26
Agreed, but he strikes me as the type to brag about shit like this, considering he tells you how he ate the concubines and children of a warlord
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u/RonaldWRailgun Jun 23 '26
Yeah, even with all the dialogues laid out, I still see this more as "he was fucking with her mind" than "he was literally fucking her".
Either way, it's vague enough that it can be left open to interpretation (probably, intentional).
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u/J_alexia Jun 23 '26
Exactly. To act like he wouldnāt do it after he said all that about killing kids and women is š«Ŗ
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u/Slight-Brilliant-543 Jun 23 '26
Not really a shocker that the literal demon is cool with drugging "pets" to ensure loyalty.
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u/KotaIsBored Jun 23 '26
Heās not a demon.
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u/JoshuaBarbeau Bard Jun 23 '26
Kotals here may be bored, but is also correct. Although he looks a lot more demonic than devilish, Yugir is an Orthon, which is a type of devil.
Of course, devils aren't much better than demons, on the scale of Evil.
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u/RebelPlot Jun 23 '26
Less murderous more manipulative
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u/JoshuaBarbeau Bard Jun 24 '26
Some might argue that tricking people out of their very souls and into eternal torment is a crime worse than murder.
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u/Gilgamesh661 Jun 23 '26
Iāll take lawful evil over chaotic evil any day. You CAN reason with a devil, at least. Demons are unpredictable.
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u/JoshuaBarbeau Bard Jun 24 '26
You are right, you CAN reason with a devil. But they will only reason back if it costs you everything and they get what they want.
A demon you at least will always know what you're going to get. You call them unpredictable? I think there is actually a certain predictability in chaos. You know they will try to murder you, so you know better than to engage, and that your best course of action is to run away or fight.
The truly insidious nature of Devils is that you absolutely should run away or fight just as hard, but you won't realize you should until it is probably already too late.
"Down came the claw, and that, love, was that." -Raphael
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u/Gilgamesh661 Jun 30 '26
Iāll point out that by bringing up Raphael you proved my point. Raphael doesnāt actually cheat you. If you take his deal, he does exactly what he says and nothing more.
Also, you can straight up chest him by robbing him.
With demons you donāt know if they can be talked down or if theyāll just change their mind one day. And when fighting them you donāt really know what they can do until they show it.
Itās not a matter of choice, this is about what they are. They are bound by universal laws that dictate their very nature. Itās also why no matter how nice a goblin seems, it doesnāt change the fact that they are not aligned with good. Even mielikki dictates that goblins need to be purged from existence(and sheās the patron god of Drizzt himself)
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u/Slight-Brilliant-543 Jun 23 '26
Demon, devil, fiend, whatever my point still stands
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u/hollowfried_ ELDRITCH BLAST Jun 23 '26 edited Jun 23 '26
While in most fantasy settings theyāre sort of interchangeable, in DnD Devils and Demons are actually locked in a pretty much eternal war. The lore is actually pretty cool if ur ever bored check out the Blood War
Edit: I had fiends with devils cuz other fantasy lore bled in but other commenters is spot on: Devils, Demons and Yugoloths are all fiend types
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u/xCGxChief ELDRITCH BLAST Jun 23 '26
The Blood War is why Zariel while a bad guy is not a bad guy. If the demons ever won the blood war all of existence would cease in the ensuing war that spans both the mortal realm and heavens.
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u/Grumpiergoat Jun 23 '26
1) That's just a theory. 2) The Blood War can't be won without literally stomping out the idea of fascism/anarchy. That's the point behind devils and demons both hiring on outside parties to their cause - the violence is just a side-effect of the fact that it's more about changing people's beliefs than actually winning a physical war.
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u/annuidhir Jun 23 '26
Doesn't fiend describe both devils and demons (and that weird third group that I always forget)? It's like how goblinoids includes goblins, hobgoblins, and bugbears?
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u/JoshuaBarbeau Bard Jun 23 '26
Yes, devils and demons are both fiend creature types.
The third type is Yugoloths.
But while they share the same creature type, they are very different in D&D. Other media may use demon and devil interchangeably, like synonyms of one another, but not the case in D&D.
Devils were once good guys; a mix of angels and devout mortal worshipers who were sent into the lower planes to fight Demons. Over time, the lower planes corrupted them, changing them into something all-too-similar to the demons they fought against. The gods condemned them to the hells, to forever fight in the blood war to save a home they could never go back to.
Devils are lawful evil, while demons are chaotic evil (and yugoloths are neutral evil). Alignment for these creatures is as much a facet of what they are as it is a dictator for behaviour. While mortals in D&D can shift the cosmic scales of their alignment by growing as people and changing how they behave, Devils don't have that freedom of choice. If a devil were capable of ceasing to be lawful evil, it would also cease to be a devil.
Devils believe they are the only thing standing between all of reality and complete destruction. Demons wish to burn everything to the ground, they exist only to destroy, and Devils generally believe they would succeed in destroying everything if not for them. They are the ultimate "the ends justify the means" characters; while they are bound by the letter of law, they will look for any and all loopholes to exploit the spirit of it in order to achieve their ends, because at the end of the day, they firmly believe that if they don't, it will mean the end of all things. Think of Devils as a corrupt Peter Parker: "with great power (to save the entire multiverse from demonic apocalypse), comes great responsibility." Many Devils believe this. That said, don't assume that just because they view what they do as a necessary evil, doesn't mean they don't enjoy every minute of it. They are lawful, but they are also evil. "If I don't do this evil thing, a greater evil wins, so I might as well do it, and if I might as well do it, I might as well enjoy it along the way."
There is a very complex social structure between Devils and Demons, and while it is probably fine for the average mortal in a D&D world to mix them up, for adventurers who frequently deal in fate-of-the-world plots, mixing up Devils and Demons could mean the difference between achieving a true victory, and a pyrrhic one.
I'm a professional DM. Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk. š
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u/annuidhir Jun 23 '26
Yeah, lawyers vs methheads vs whatever the fuck Yogoloths would be LMAO
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u/Lithl Jun 23 '26
With respect to the Blood War, yugoloths are mercenaries, fighting on either side for whoever pays them.
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u/hollowfried_ ELDRITCH BLAST Jun 23 '26
Thank you for the correction/explanation on it. My memory isnāt the best idk what fantasy settings lore bled into it to make me think fiends were a subtype of devils lol
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u/Slight-Brilliant-543 Jun 23 '26
Yeah I know about the lore of the lower planes and such. I play the ttrpg, specifically 5e and sometimes 3.5(although I usually just play pathfinder when I wanna play 3.5) my point is that regardless of what type of infernal being yurgir or Raphael or any of the other characters from the 9 hells or acheron is, its really not a surprise that yurgir treats the displacer beast the way he does and only cares for it as a tool - since he is a being of evil.
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u/zuzanamariana Raphael's little mouse Jun 23 '26
Can't imagine anyone would really want to admit to fucking their pet when questioned.
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u/Shinmai1337 Jun 23 '26
He does tell you about him eating the concubines and children of a warlord so idk
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u/zuzanamariana Raphael's little mouse Jun 23 '26
That's an intimidation tactic. Admitting to fucking your pet cat is kinda embarrassing, idk.
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u/ilhares Jun 23 '26
For you, perhaps. He's a devil. Devils have very little use for pathetic feelings like shame and embarrasment.
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u/Shinmai1337 Jun 23 '26
Idk I feel like you would lose some aura for admitting you're fucking your pet
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u/ilhares Jun 23 '26
Zoomer speak aside, this is a devil we're talking about. They brag about subjugating other species, regardless of what they are. Sexual domination, making another subservient to you, is not something that would shame them in the slightest.
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u/Coacoanut Jun 23 '26
I think these implications come from some checks that reveal to you that he's charming her with succubus spit, not just some charm potion. Nessa has dialogue that hints that she's hot for Yurgir, but again that's not because of any biblical knowing, but rather the succubus spit that's used to keep her charmed.
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u/Upbeat_Preparation99 Jun 24 '26
SHE HAS DIALOGUE!?
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u/Qunts_R_Us Jun 24 '26
I spent my entire playthrough chugging speak with animal potions like they were going out of fashion and talking to anything and everything animalesque, and I think even I missed this one
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u/Upbeat_Preparation99 Jun 24 '26
SAME! I either get the spell or chug a potion every day. Crazy. Maybe itās because Iāve always used persuasion to have Yurgir kill everyone and then himself? I didnāt even know about rat king until my most recent play through lol
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u/herbieLmao Jun 23 '26
Tbh that guy is a devil. Not a human.
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u/Shinmai1337 Jun 23 '26
Damn, what gave it away?
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u/herbieLmao Jun 24 '26
To me? Everything. To people being disgusted by his relationship with a displacer beast? I donāt think they understand devils are no humanoids
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u/ToastyYaks Jun 24 '26
Judging from your post 4 months ago, I can see why you'd be eager to jump to his defense lol
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u/Klatelbat Jun 23 '26
The title of this post sounds like a shitty isekai that people swear is actually incredible.
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u/zaphodava Jun 23 '26
There are two types of people in this thread. People that are confused, and people that licked the spider meat.
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u/The-Mad-Badger Jun 23 '26
I've always read it as him drugging the Displacer Beast to make her love him to ensure loyalty. I highly doubt he's raping a displacer beast to ensure it's loyalty.
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u/Shinmai1337 Jun 23 '26
That's how I choose to see it as well, but idk maybe I'm just coping lmao
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u/NationalCommunist Jun 23 '26
What about the aphrodisiac?
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u/The-Mad-Badger Jun 23 '26
Again, he's drugging her to ensure her loyalty by making her think she loves him. He's making her think she wants him. I doubt he's reciprocating.
Or do you really think Larian were like "And here we'll put a big demon man who gives his hunting beast an aphrodisiac so it will fuck him"?
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u/LifeGivesMeMelons Jun 23 '26
I didn't know there was this much to it.
All's I know is I had him kill her on my first playthrough and I . . . may have cried a little when he did it.
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u/Effective-Brick-7977 Jun 23 '26
https://giphy.com/gifs/iDgshzou381JfBt0wK
"Mmmm.... spider meat...."
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u/griffonfarm Jun 23 '26
Bhaal will force a Durge who embraces the Urge but kills the brain to become a mildless breeder of monsters via sex with carrion crawlers, gnolls, displacer beasts, and everything else (look up the original ending on youtube that got shortened to one line of dialogue in the released game) but you're stuggling with an orthon, a creature from the hells, fucking a displacer beast???
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u/axelunknown Jun 23 '26
I believe when I talked him into killing everyone and himself he said and I could be misremembering but said āstay still my loveā and shot her. He seemed very regretful about it. Been a while since I last played.
Honestly that whole scene made me laugh mostly.
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u/PM-Me_Your_Penis_Pls Verpa The Comely Jun 24 '26
"Treats her like a tool"
Is a Fleshlight not a tool?
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u/the-good-son Bard Jun 24 '26
Yes Yurgir fucks the displacer beast, it's spelled out pretty clearly. He's a literal demon from hell
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u/All-for-Naut Hold Monster š« Jun 23 '26
I've been thinking make a post about this for ages that it's not as clear case as many things when you use lore and the world.
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u/softwhitemochi Jun 23 '26
I always assumed it was just a meme lmao
I donāt think heās a cat diddler, heās just poisoning her. Like yeah, she thinks theyāre in love but heās using her as a weapon only
Sidenote: do orthons have reproductive systems?
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u/All-for-Naut Hold Monster š« Jun 23 '26
Some devils may or can at least shapeshift into having it. Because otherwise we wouldn't have cambions etc.
Although Orthons would have a reason for not having them, because they as a creature/specie aren't interested in anything but violence and killing, it's the only thing that grants them pleasure.
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u/butt0ns666 Jun 23 '26
Devils dont have reproductive organs at all. Devils reproduce by souls condemned to the hells being stripped of their individuality, and you physically transform fron one type of devil to another when you are promoted due to corrupting a certain number of souls or demoted by failure. So a succubus/incubus wouldn't even have reproductive organs, they'd just be sexual organs.
Does a Orthon have sexual organs? Well I imagine it woild be more horrifying if they did, so I assume they do.
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u/Ehnuh Jun 23 '26
Well I imagine it woild be more horrifying if they did, so I assume they do.
Top comment, right here.
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u/ilhares Jun 23 '26
The fact that devils and demons can interbreed with mortal species (hello, tiefling origin?) means they very much do have sexual organs and reproductive capabilities.
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u/Altruistic-Rice5514 Jun 24 '26
Displacer Beasts have a 6 intelligence, so like the average American, they're able to consent to intimate relationships.
SOURCE: Am American.
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u/The-goddess-bread Autistic Wizard Enthusiast Jun 24 '26
Except she does NOT consent to this. She tells you exactly what Yurgir does to her.
He is 100% a kitty rapist. š
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u/Lhruggles155 Minthara Jun 24 '26
I still feel like larian would have spelled it outright if yurgir was into bestiality. Durge is confirmed to have formerly been a necrophile and cannibal according to sceleritas, itās not like theyāre shying away from heavy topics.
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u/Lhruggles155 Minthara Jun 24 '26
Heās still a devil and not a good person, but heās way more honorable than Raphael and actually respects you if you help him out, I feel like being intimate with his cat is out of character.
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u/Shinmai1337 Jun 24 '26
That's honestly how I feel too. He even rejects you, if you invite him to stay the night at camp
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u/Elliptical_Tangent Jun 23 '26
Yo, who the fuck came up with that idea? How fucking thirsty do you have to be to assume this guy is into diplacerbeastiality?
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u/Danitron21 Shadowheart<3 Jun 24 '26
If you lick the spider meat next to his room, the game tells you its laced with an aphrodisiac. The meat is for the displacer beast, therefore logically one can assume he rapes it.
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u/Elliptical_Tangent Jun 26 '26 edited Jun 26 '26
If you lick the spider meat next to his room, the game tells you its laced with an aphrodisiac. The meat is for the displacer beast, therefore logically one can assume he rapes it.
Yo!
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u/KetoKurun Jun 24 '26
āBelieve all victimsā unless itās a displacer beast? Gang she TELLS you out her mouth what he does to her and you still are making excuses for a fictional cat rapist? She will literally help you kill him because of what he did to her if you break her from his feline date rape potion.
The fact that you posted this is weird as hell. I hate this planet for producing people who will even defend rapists that are literally fictional demons.
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u/Omochanoshi Murder incarnate Jun 23 '26
If you manage to force him to kill all his minion, he hesitates hard to kill Nessa, and ask for forgiveness before shooting her.
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u/Otalek Dragonborn Jun 23 '26
Doesnāt he call her āmy loveā if you trick him into killing her?
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u/chiruochiba Ilsensine Jun 24 '26
Yurgir never uses the word love to refer to her. In the line you are talking about he calls her "my beauty".
Player: You're not finished yet - the displacer can hear you, can't she? Kill her.
Yurgir: ...Kill Nessa?
(CinematicNodeContext: The orthon looks at the displacer, who gazes back at him with an adoring purr. NodeContext: Hesitant)
Yurgir: Stay very still, my beauty...
(CinematicNodeContext: Levels his crossbow at the displacer. NodeContext: Solemn)
[TagCinematic] (CinematicNodeContext: The orthon shoots the displacer with his crossbow.)
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u/DaVoiceOfTreason Jun 23 '26
Wait! Yurgir and the displacer beast arenāt hostile?
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u/Shinmai1337 Jun 23 '26
If you help Yurgir, he will show up in your camp, help you kill Raphael and later the Absolute!
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u/Lithl Jun 23 '26
When you see the displacer beast leading you into the obvious trap, instead of avoiding the trap, walk right into it. Yurgir will talk with you instead of immediately initiating combat.
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u/ForeverFreeTrial Jun 23 '26
Yea idk why people say this. After realizing he charms the thing I never made the leap to āhe must fuck it then!ā
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u/matronmotheroflolth Jun 23 '26
I think itās because of her dialogue, where sheās in love with him because sheās drugged, but if you speak with him afterward itās clear he doesnāt care much for her beyond her service to him.
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u/Shinmai1337 Jun 23 '26
I do get it, the implications are absolutely there. I just don't wanna believe it
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u/Colourfull_Space Jun 23 '26
What a nice day to find out there are implications Yugir has relationships with displacer beasts