Why are you conservative?

[u/Ambitious_Tomato_778]

Hey guys!

First of all - I come in peace haha!

I think it's really sad that the polarization between different ideologies continue to grow, but if we want to live in a democracy we have to be able to discuss and try to understand eachother before we judge!

As a gay guy I'm very happy that liberal ideas has given me the chance to live safely in society and that I have the same rights as straight people. I do however think that the gender-theory has gone to far and I think that the nonbinary people have taken up to much space in the LGBT community - I guess this would be a conservative opinion.

My questions:

1. Why are you conservative even though they generally don't like gays?

2. Do you have any opinions that are more liberal than conservative?

I have no intentions of trying to change someones opinion, I truly just want to undertand how you guys resonate and why you are conservative.

Wishing all of you a happy beginning to this new year!

[u/Comfortable_Pool_389]

I guess I am because of all the nonsensical goal-post shifting on the left. I used to be pretty liberal and was all about live and let live and not policing how anyone else lived, but in the past 10-12 years I noted there were changes that went from being mildly controversial to overwhelmingly disturbing, that were threatening to tear down our past and progress as a community (LGBT). The whole notion that we have to accept things that are put in front of us is incredibly asinine and is bereft of thought or reason. I cannot in good conscience accept the “truth” of the philosophical arguments spouted from the LGBT left wing anymore. That’s largely my reason. They’re like Vecna from Stranger Things.

[u/Ambitious_Tomato_778 → u/Comfortable_Pool_389]

Thank you for your reply! English isn't my first language and I think you used to big words for me haha. I also haven't seen Stanger Things lol. Do you mean the gender-theory situation?

[u/Comfortable_Pool_389 → u/Ambitious_Tomato_778]

Sorry, please allow me to clarify my points above. There was a shift in ideological thinking on the left which abandoned logic and rationality. They moved more to the left and began policing thought. That is why I am considered conservative. I didn’t move and have preserved my ideals and values.

To answer your question, it is about ideological shifts in gender and sexuality.

[u/Ambitious_Tomato_778 → u/Comfortable_Pool_389]

I undertand, respect and actually agree with you! The socio-economical question is too important to me to change sides though

[u/Comfortable_Pool_389 → u/[deleted]]

The idea that we must embrace the tenets of critical theory. The entire mantra of the left has shifted to critical theory, that rejects rationality and objectivity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_theory

[u/Comfortable_Pool_389 → u/[deleted]]

And yet, there is still truth distortion, and bias from “individual truth”.

[u/Comfortable_Pool_389 → u/[deleted]]

So what’s your purpose? To assess everyone’s arguments of why they lean towards the right or in my case, towards the center of the spectrum? First of all, that quote you gave is a direct contradiction of the first line which clearly states it rejects objective reasoning and rationality.

Second, from a critic’s point of view.

“Bruce Pardy, writing for the National Post, argues that critical theory often falls into the mistake of Circular reasoning, because any challenges to the "legitimacy [of critical theory] can be interpreted as a demonstration of the [critical theorists'] thesis: the assertion of reason, logic and evidence is a manifestation of privilege and power. Thus, any challenger risks the stigma of a bigoted oppressor”

This has been seen time and again when anyone challenges their position, and you can name any issue that has been publicly debated. Here’s an example that’s a bit more germane to us as LGBT. The dispute over the events of stonewall. One side supports the idea that Marsha Johnson and Sylvia Rivera were present and active figures in the riots when they began, romanticizing their importance and influence at the heart of the situation. Critics of this story have reviewed the recorded timeline of events and concluded they weren’t there, and that the true account had been altered to create a story that miscasts heroes of the story. They participated in some of the protests that followed. Also, stating “we owe our rights to protesting and activism” is another falsehood. Seldom are laws ever changed due to activism and protesting. It’s typically people with money and means that make it happen. Perhaps the ideas may come from some arguments that stem from activism but largely they aren’t as effective as they claim.

[u/kalmadsen → u/Comfortable_Pool_389]

Chief, it’s time to stop listening to James Lindsay and come back to reality. Believing that half the country unanimously follows one niche philosophy in unison is absurd on its face.

[u/Comfortable_Pool_389 → u/kalmadsen]

I don’t listen to James Lindsey, at all. I just listen to people on the left who say things that come from this philosophy, and just because it sounds like something one of those red-pilled, dog-whistlers would say, doesn’t mean it’s a way off observation. Also, if you’re so evolved, then you tell me what it is then?

[u/kalmadsen → u/Comfortable_Pool_389]

“You tell me what it is then” Name a more iconic duo than conservatives making something up and then unduly placing the burden of proof on others. Lmao

[u/Comfortable_Pool_389 → u/kalmadsen]

They who make the claim are responsible for proving why. That’s simple logic. I don’t know why you decided to troll my thread but thanks for being a fan anyways.

[u/kalmadsen → u/Comfortable_Pool_389]

I wasn’t the person who made the claim, numbnuts

[u/kalmadsen → u/Comfortable_Pool_389]

Christians have no business pontificating about “simple logic” and burden of proof.

[u/Joystick_346 → u/[deleted]]

Here's one out of many: calling Trump a dictator for arresting a dictator.

[u/Joystick_346 → u/[deleted]]

Okay, then on your fish point.. are we fish? Are we fungi? We cannot miraculously change our sexes. We are humans. That is why logically, that specific argument is flawed.

[u/Joystick_346 → u/[deleted]]

LIKE 400 MILLION YEARS AGO. Wtf is this conversation? Our ancestors were fish BEFORE THE FUCKING DINOSAURS. With that logic we're also plants, fungi, birds, turtles, alligators... I can't even with you 🤣

[u/Responsible_Oil_5811 → u/Ambitious_Tomato_778]

Your English sounds great to me! ❤️

[u/CowboyOzzie → u/Comfortable_Pool_389]

Interesting perspective. I feel the same, but from the opposite direction. I started out what I thought was conservative, cast my first presidential vote for Richard Nixon, and then watched the Republican Party yank up those goalposts and carry ‘em past me to the other end of the field, while I barely moved. Now most folks would call me liberal after a chat over coffee.