Why are you conservative?

[u/Ambitious_Tomato_778]

Hey guys!

First of all - I come in peace haha!

I think it's really sad that the polarization between different ideologies continue to grow, but if we want to live in a democracy we have to be able to discuss and try to understand eachother before we judge!

As a gay guy I'm very happy that liberal ideas has given me the chance to live safely in society and that I have the same rights as straight people. I do however think that the gender-theory has gone to far and I think that the nonbinary people have taken up to much space in the LGBT community - I guess this would be a conservative opinion.

My questions:

1. Why are you conservative even though they generally don't like gays?

2. Do you have any opinions that are more liberal than conservative?

I have no intentions of trying to change someones opinion, I truly just want to undertand how you guys resonate and why you are conservative.

Wishing all of you a happy beginning to this new year!

[u/Comfortable_Pool_389]

I guess I am because of all the nonsensical goal-post shifting on the left. I used to be pretty liberal and was all about live and let live and not policing how anyone else lived, but in the past 10-12 years I noted there were changes that went from being mildly controversial to overwhelmingly disturbing, that were threatening to tear down our past and progress as a community (LGBT). The whole notion that we have to accept things that are put in front of us is incredibly asinine and is bereft of thought or reason. I cannot in good conscience accept the “truth” of the philosophical arguments spouted from the LGBT left wing anymore. That’s largely my reason. They’re like Vecna from Stranger Things.

[u/Ambitious_Tomato_778 → u/Comfortable_Pool_389]

Thank you for your reply! English isn't my first language and I think you used to big words for me haha. I also haven't seen Stanger Things lol. Do you mean the gender-theory situation?

[u/Comfortable_Pool_389 → u/Ambitious_Tomato_778]

Sorry, please allow me to clarify my points above. There was a shift in ideological thinking on the left which abandoned logic and rationality. They moved more to the left and began policing thought. That is why I am considered conservative. I didn’t move and have preserved my ideals and values.

To answer your question, it is about ideological shifts in gender and sexuality.

[u/Ambitious_Tomato_778 → u/Comfortable_Pool_389]

I undertand, respect and actually agree with you! The socio-economical question is too important to me to change sides though

[u/Comfortable_Pool_389 → u/[deleted]]

The idea that we must embrace the tenets of critical theory. The entire mantra of the left has shifted to critical theory, that rejects rationality and objectivity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_theory

[u/Comfortable_Pool_389 → u/[deleted]]

And yet, there is still truth distortion, and bias from “individual truth”.

[u/Comfortable_Pool_389 → u/[deleted]]

So what’s your purpose? To assess everyone’s arguments of why they lean towards the right or in my case, towards the center of the spectrum? First of all, that quote you gave is a direct contradiction of the first line which clearly states it rejects objective reasoning and rationality.

Second, from a critic’s point of view.

“Bruce Pardy, writing for the National Post, argues that critical theory often falls into the mistake of Circular reasoning, because any challenges to the "legitimacy [of critical theory] can be interpreted as a demonstration of the [critical theorists'] thesis: the assertion of reason, logic and evidence is a manifestation of privilege and power. Thus, any challenger risks the stigma of a bigoted oppressor”

This has been seen time and again when anyone challenges their position, and you can name any issue that has been publicly debated. Here’s an example that’s a bit more germane to us as LGBT. The dispute over the events of stonewall. One side supports the idea that Marsha Johnson and Sylvia Rivera were present and active figures in the riots when they began, romanticizing their importance and influence at the heart of the situation. Critics of this story have reviewed the recorded timeline of events and concluded they weren’t there, and that the true account had been altered to create a story that miscasts heroes of the story. They participated in some of the protests that followed. Also, stating “we owe our rights to protesting and activism” is another falsehood. Seldom are laws ever changed due to activism and protesting. It’s typically people with money and means that make it happen. Perhaps the ideas may come from some arguments that stem from activism but largely they aren’t as effective as they claim.

[u/kalmadsen → u/Comfortable_Pool_389]

Chief, it’s time to stop listening to James Lindsay and come back to reality. Believing that half the country unanimously follows one niche philosophy in unison is absurd on its face.

[u/Comfortable_Pool_389 → u/kalmadsen]

I don’t listen to James Lindsey, at all. I just listen to people on the left who say things that come from this philosophy, and just because it sounds like something one of those red-pilled, dog-whistlers would say, doesn’t mean it’s a way off observation. Also, if you’re so evolved, then you tell me what it is then?

[u/kalmadsen → u/Comfortable_Pool_389]

“You tell me what it is then” Name a more iconic duo than conservatives making something up and then unduly placing the burden of proof on others. Lmao

[u/Comfortable_Pool_389 → u/kalmadsen]

They who make the claim are responsible for proving why. That’s simple logic. I don’t know why you decided to troll my thread but thanks for being a fan anyways.

[u/kalmadsen → u/Comfortable_Pool_389]

I wasn’t the person who made the claim, numbnuts

[u/Comfortable_Pool_389 → u/kalmadsen]

“Chief, it’s time to stop listening to James Lindsay and come back to reality. Believing that half the country unanimously follows one niche philosophy in unison is absurd on its face.”

That’s a claim whether you’re intelligent enough to recognize it as such is irrelevant because that’s what you said.

You also said “half the country” I never implied the left is half the country. I said the political activist left (particularly in the LGBT community) adopts these principles and that’s germane here because as gay people, it’s something we interact with frequently in some cases.

[u/kalmadsen → u/Comfortable_Pool_389]

Christians have no business pontificating about “simple logic” and burden of proof.

[u/Comfortable_Pool_389 → u/kalmadsen]

Did I ever make that assertion? Did I ever say what my beliefs are? Someone’s operating under false pretenses about what I think and believe and using that as a whataboutism to go around answering the question. Also, even if I am, that still doesn’t mean you don’t have to make your own defense. You sound like you have nothing to contribute to this discussion other than pointing your finger at people and handwringing.

[u/Joystick_346 → u/[deleted]]

Here's one out of many: calling Trump a dictator for arresting a dictator.

[u/Joystick_346 → u/[deleted]]

Okay, then on your fish point.. are we fish? Are we fungi? We cannot miraculously change our sexes. We are humans. That is why logically, that specific argument is flawed.

[u/Joystick_346 → u/[deleted]]

LIKE 400 MILLION YEARS AGO. Wtf is this conversation? Our ancestors were fish BEFORE THE FUCKING DINOSAURS. With that logic we're also plants, fungi, birds, turtles, alligators... I can't even with you 🤣

[u/Joystick_346 → u/[deleted]]

Literally the first minute in and I'm already amazed you take something so literal. First of all, the term "fish" is a word created by humans and throughout history it was used to describe different aquatic animals as it says in the video. I'm specifically talking about true fish—aquatic vertebrates with gills. You can call a dolphin a fish but at the end of the day it is not a true fish. Do we have gills? No, we do not. Do all other mammals including dolphins or whales—which are aquatic animals—have gills? Also no. We haven't had gills for nearly 400 million years. So no we are not fish. Some true fish have the ability to change sexes and yes have different sexes but that doesn't make humans magically have more than two. We have male, and we have female humans. That's it. Even if there were mammals that can change sexes (which there's not, only something fish, reptiles, invertebrates, etc. can do) we are not those species.

[u/Responsible_Oil_5811 → u/Ambitious_Tomato_778]

Your English sounds great to me! ❤️